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Naomi Wolf: "My creeping concern that the NSA leaker is not who he purports to be..."

Naomi Wolf
NaomiWolf.org
Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:38 CDT

I hate to do this but I feel obligated to share, as the story unfolds, my creeping concern that the NSA leaker is not who he purports to be, and that the motivations involved in the story may be more complex than they appear to be. This is in no way to detract from the great courage of Glenn Greenwald in reporting the story, and the gutsiness of the Guardian in showcasing this kind of reporting, which is a service to America that US media is not performing at all. It is just to raise some cautions as the story unfolds, and to raise some questions about how it is unfolding, based on my experience with high-level political messaging.

Some of Snowden's emphases seem to serve an intelligence/police state objective, rather than to challenge them.

a) He is super-organized, for a whistleblower, in terms of what candidates, the White House, the State Dept. et al call 'message discipline.' He insisted on publishing a power point in the newspapers that ran his initial revelations. I gather that he arranged for a talented filmmaker to shoot the Greenwald interview. These two steps - which are evidence of great media training, really 'PR 101″ - are virtually never done (to my great distress) by other whistleblowers, or by progressive activists involved in breaking news, or by real courageous people who are under stress and getting the word out. They are always done, though, by high-level political surrogates.

b) In the Greenwald video interview, I was concerned about the way Snowden conveys his message. He is not struggling for words, or thinking hard, as even bright, articulate whistleblowers under stress will do. Rather he appears to be transmitting whole paragraphs smoothly, without stumbling. To me this reads as someone who has learned his talking points - again the way that political campaigns train surrogates to transmit talking points.

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She's not very familiar with

She's not very familiar with us libertarians.

We can wax poetically without rehearsing.

SMH.

What is she...a conspiracy nut?

You mean the 'story' is sometimes just lies? You mean we can't take anything at face value? You mean we need to always, always be vigilant to discover the truth and discard lies and misconceptions?

Naomi, I'm impressed.

I, for one, have found no compelling reason to not believe Mr. Snowden. But I'm always open to evidence.

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Keep this up for exposure...

take nothing for granted.

99% sure is 1% unsure.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Agreed

I don't see a reason to conclude that he is a government agent/psy-op or a plant.

But Naomi Wolf makes some good points as she usually does. It bears looking and questioning.

As for him not being lawyered up, I think that is an erroneous assumption. He has stated some fairly specific beliefs about legal systems in hong kong and the US that lead me to believe he did obtain some legal advice from some source, probably prior to his disclosures (if not on an ongoing basis). That he isn't talking about his lawyer, or doesn't have a lawyer holding his hand, could be a p.r. move and a smart one (if he doesn't want to be perceived as guilty, that is).

Assange is fighting a huge battle with pending legal action against him and as such, at this particular moment in time, is not similarly situated to Snowden. That may change any day now.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Question everything.

Everything.

inquiring Minds Want To Know

"Perhaps all the anomalies in the career of Ed Snowden can be explained with sensible answers. I realize that. But until they are, I put the questions forward. And leave them there."

http://www.sott.net/article/262897-NSA-leaker-are-there-seri...

Dumb

People who are liberty minded do not search for words. They have thought long and hard about history, philosophy and economy. Of course, a liberal would not understand this.

The Guardian is more than capable of shooting the video for the interview.

What is she talking about?

I think people like Assange and Wolfe

Are well intentioned, but are creatures of the state in the end. They use the copious lawyers since they recognize their authority, ans because their strategy is one of run and hide.

I'll admit that hiding from levithan is often a reasonable thing to do, but people like wolfe and assange have become so used to cowering behind their lawyers, (a state licensed paid thug), that they don't understand Snowden's desire to fight - I think he has a strategy, and has planned out his actions, he has more conviction that what he is doing is right, while Wolfe's examples always have this hint of guilt because they have not really rejected the state - In a nutshell, Naomi is used to whistleblowers who are approaching the situation like they just saw their dad doing something wrong, and they decide to tell their mom. Snowden is looking at this like he has just discovered someone breaking into his house, and he has just grabbed his baseball bat to confront the criminal.

Snowden is a Ron Paul guy, born in 1984, that released his information on the anniversary of the publication of 1984.coincidence ?

I only hope we have enough power to help him.

She's not alone in her speculation:

You're Watching The Wrong Hand
http://augenguy.blogspot.com/2013/06/youre-watching-wrong-ha...

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Legerdemain

“Ho, Ho, Ho it’s magic, you know,
I never believed it’s not so“...

http://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems/vince-rogers/legerdemain/

 "It feels like some level higher even than government has put a plan into play." 

-- Your blog link

One need not agree with most of his particular questions, nor the details of the 'tells' he identifies to give rational to his theorizing, ( nor Naomi Wolf's admonitions, for that matter ) but I definitely agree we should each be alert to any sleights being played out before our eyes. ( ... And it IS for OUR eyes' benefit, IMO ). The misdirection is designed, I suspect, to enchant and ultimately captivate US. Are They not playing our tune? It thus especially behooves us to pay attention and alert for misdealings.

The big picture illustrating the point of the narrative is where the story lies in any conspiracy, not the fine prints of fingers in the foot notes. That's the supine myopic focus on shuffle the sharks count on to confound.

"All this commotion over Snowden can only be distraction.  There is no other explanation.  We should all be looking in every direction but Snowden trying to find the 'trick', because I guarantee while we've been watching him, something has changed that is far more important and subversive.", is the discerning surmise offered by your blog link.

Don't get me wrong. I welcome the positive meme which, I'm convince, will prove a net good if we keep our heads and don't allow new messengers to kill, damage, and/or otherwise control by bamboozling OUR message.

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/3105338

The positive meme shift to which I refer includes the progress I've witnessed towards realignment among ourselves and our true allies within the nonauthoritarian left progressives. If we control ourselves, and don't kill our messengers, divide and conquer finger pointing does no misdirection damage to the life of our message.

http://www.authorsden.com/categories/poetry_top.asp?catid=56...

You're Observant. Who knows.

I think it's a little fishy that the media are "keeping it alive" instead of suppressing it, like wtc7.

The Bit about the Lawyer

or apparent lack thereof....that hit home.

Otherwise yeah Naomi Wolf is a Progressive and it will take some time to wade thru that philosophical cesspool to become an ardent anarchist. One can only hope.

However you have to give her credit for being a skeptic, even if you do think it's politically motivated. Let's just make sure that she's *consistently* a skeptic.

Valid points. Upvoting this article.

I have these same concerns that Wolfe expresses, but as a poster mentioned below - Assange is no Gold standard on whistle blowers.

In fact, now that I think about it. Every reason she listed as a point to be suspicious of Snowden, is precisely why I firmly believe wikileaks/Assange is psyops. Media 101 public relations pro, hiding in stupid places, Assange avoiding arrest after alleged manhunt. I mean the narrative was basically the same. Why now the sudden skepticism?

In any case I think this article is worth reading and hope others here read it too.

Why are people listening to Naomi Wolf?

If you've followed this misandry-promoting hag from before her days as a weekend civil libertarian, questions start to arise about her seriousness as an intellectual, let alone any genuineness to her views as of late. The fact that most of the men that she's known have been stuttering idiots who can't keep their thoughts organized and convey them in an articulate fashion has litter bearing on Snowden's honesty.

I never believed that this woman has had any interest in promoting liberty apart from using it rhetorically to pump certain politicians that she likes. This is her playing defense for Obama and his corrupt administration, nothing more, please move along now.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Naomi Wolf 'In Sheep's Clothing'?

Is Naomi a Gatekeeper of the left?
She wrote a book about tyranny, takes libertarian talking points and gets people to support Obama and a Statist agenda?!? Wow.
Is she a Gatekeeper of the left feminist movement?
She is a former Rhodes Scholar? (Cecil Rhodes who created a secret society called the Society of the Elect that was connected to the Round Table groups Carrol Quigley spoke about in Tragedy and Hope)

Hey I was really skeptical of Snowden, and a few points I think she made are valid, but the more he's attacked by those who I think are more likely to be gatekeepers and disinfo agents like Wolf, the more I think Snowden is for real. BTW The funny thing is she mentions Assange who I believe is cointelpro and NEVER believed as legitimate. I mean seriously people in the establishment are committing atrocities every day and what does Wikileaks ever get you? This NSA scandal is at least significant.

Anyways I'm glad many people are skeptical and calling people out for being cointelpro and ACTORS and people are coming right back and calling Wolf an ACTOR. Whichever side you believe, at least more people are believing there are LIVE ACTORS perpetuating lies which too me is a fundamental part of all conspiracy theories.

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

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You make an interesting point

Sort of like Ike when he made his famous (and infamous) speech about the Military Industrial Complex...yet he was IN ON IT. Example? Iran 1953.

I have always considered Naomi a heroine (but may have to rethink this)...and I am disappointed for her throwing Snowden under the bus without REAL evidence.

Also, her silence on 9/11...even though she will write till the cows come home on the female sex organ...strikes me as a little odd.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Daily Paul =

Where PSYOPs go to die. Naomi Wolf is a fat a dyed in the wool Liberal. I don't care if she did a few LRC podcasts. Snowden is a former soldier with a conscience. Not an operative.

Senator Peter Schiff 2016

For Snowden's sake I hope Naomi is right.

What if it was a person who was on "our" side who was the power behind Snowden?

Use things not People. Love People not things.

I have no idea if Wolf's

I have no idea if Wolf's concerns are valid and I have respect for much of her work, but I don't see much in the way of reasoned thinking here.

The reasons for her "creeping concerns" that Snowden is serving intelligence/police state objectives are:

1. He's organized and went about his whistleblowing with strategic thinking. She accuses him of having "great media training" but confuses that with PR 101, which means elementary PR thinking. He's spooky-suspicious because other whistleblowers she's aware of seem to put their lives in danger with bothering to be organized, research PR, and consult experts. Gong moment, Ms. Wolf, but "high-level political surrogates" don't manage super-organized, message discipline a good deal of the time.

This point seems to me to be saying, "The guy couldn't have calculated the risks, did what he could to research and understand his best attack, and did so. Therefore he must be being handled by high-up-ups, who never mess up. Um...except Patreaus, Bush, Biden, Obama, Rice, Hilary...."

Courageous people under stress sometimes go wonky; sometimes they go on guard and figure out what they're doing before they do it.

2. Really? A high school junior can memorize talking points. We're not talking rocket surgery. I can "transmit whole paragraphs smoothly." If a speaker knows his stuff and is confident, he's not going to struggle for words; his thinking was done long before. Stress, in an interview, is the product of a desire to obfuscate...um, lie. Wolf's accusation that Snowden sounds like he's been trained by political campaign operatives, is a classic case of effect before cause. The political operatives are trying to get their subjects to mimic a genuine, honest subject's speech. You can't call the thing they try to mimic a product responsibly.

Understanding the Dialectic... you understand Naomi's comments!

Naomi should simply point out that the dialectic in it's outworking also fits the Snowdon saga! That is the point she is really making, whether she understands this or not. Then again, there might be others she has supported in the past who are also students and adherents of the dialectic!

In which case, maybe she is the whistle-blower!

She is spot on in her analysis of the possibility! Anyone who reads her comments carefully and then attempts to call her wrong, is attempting the impossible... proving a negative. The onus is on her to prove her case, just as it is on Snowdon to present and prove his case!

Considering the concept of the dialectic in the light of the Snowdon case is simply a necessary strategy of the liberty movement. To fail to understand and apply the principles she is assigning to this case will be as fatal to the grassroots liberty movement as was the 'too-late' attempts of the White Russians to restore the balance to liberty, and to the German people to return to their freedoms once fooled by the false flags, disinformation, and dialectic that was also Hitler's!

Every nation succumbing to tyranny has fallen prey to the 'siren song' of lies spewed out by the tyrant in sheep's clothing!

If for no other reason but to be warned, Naomi has done a service to the liberty forces (no doubt inadvertently unless she has had an epiphany), in exposing the tactics of the last several decades of presidents... bar none!

It is time to incorporate every possible tactic to the advantage of liberty! The rest of the story and it's truth has yet to play out.

Follow the money! Which means ask the bigger question:

What are the PTB covering up in the myriad of stories and claims, wars and rumors of war, which descend down upon the couch potatoes and liberty activists alike...?

What is the key facilitator of every liberty stealing and life robbing activity existing today?

'What is the Federal Reserve'!

The very life of the FED is at stake this year! When was the last time you heard a word about it? It is for this reason Ron and Rand Paul are ratcheting up the questions and exposure of the FED... it is the core in 'the root of all that is evil' in global tyranny today!

The danger to the FED is both great, and greatly feared by those profiting! It is approaching it's welcome demise after it's untimely birth and destructive and thieving life of 100 years. It's undoubted enemy over the last and most destructive phase of it's life has been the single greatest threat to it's continued existence!

It is for this reason that the last two elections for POTUS were notably between only two opponents! Only two! They were...

Dr. Ron Paul... and 'Not-Ron Paul'.

The grassroots backed the former!

One two-headed party backed the latter!

We all know the name of that party!

To both of it's heads I say...

Ron Paul 2016! Get used to it!

Says the lady who supported Obama.

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wolf is spreading the talking points

That Snowden is a double agent for China, what a crock.

If he was, I think he would have imbedded himself for more than a couple months on the job to be able to get so much more.

Bah, just a diversion.

Is Naomi the real Snow Job here?

Naomi posts her write up on Facebook, which frankly seems strange concerning Facebook's willful anti-free speech activities, which are well documented. And asking where Snowden's attorney is; do you think it matters? Obviously there is no longer any expectation of privacy, no attorney client privilege. How could there be? They are listening. Aren't they?

Pretty silly points and personally I think, and have for sometime, she is ready for the rubber room. She has absorb material she cannot understand and tries to reflect in her own words the material many others have stated for decades. Whether it's a John Birch-er or a Lyndon LaRouche-ite, disseminating the information, it all seems to be coming true. And way before Naomi political prowess was so well received by the status quo. Either Naomi can handle the truth or not. Naomi's world is crashing around her and she doesn't know what to do. Or is she toting the line, giving people the feeling that someone besides themselves is noting that our liberties are slowly being strip away; or is Naomi's work just another psychological distraction.

Is Naomi just another cook slowly turning the water up to a boil?

Hilarious...

that those who say 9/11 was an inside job and the Boston Bombings were staged can not even comprehend that Snow-job could be a plant as well. I say... ANYTHING is possible.... and props to Naomi Wolfe for recognizing that the government COULD sink this low to make their Agenda possible. WE have no idea at this point on how much is even true, only speculation. How quick we are to dismiss someone just because the MAINSTREAM media has said he is "one of us". Has not "one of us" fooled us before (Jesse Benton anyone)?

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PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Execept there's overwhelming evidence

of 9/11 being a Mossad/CIA operation. Wolf provided nothing but mere suppositions.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

Amen to that

It is good to see there are a few people who came to this site because they are critical thinkers... seems to be a lot of others here for other reasons.

"Anything is possible" is right!

I did a post earlier about Snowden being a fictional character in the book Cattch-22: http://www.dailypaul.com/289088/snowden-is-a-character-in-th...

Thanks...

Checking it out now!

Good looking out.

Jon Rappoport is a long time investigative journalist . . .

(one of the few still out there) and a guy who spent many years learning/teaching logic. He's outside of the false 'left' vs 'right' paradigm.
He warns that this might be result of an intelligence agency turf war. Like most people, I have absolutely No Idea of what's going on behind the scenes, but Jon does present some good points & something to think about. Check out his posts on this topic over the last few days. If you like logical thinking and sound arguments, I think you'll enjoy his writing:

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/

As for the claim that Wolf is pushing the idea that Snowden is an agent for China, there is nothing like that at all in her article. Wolf wonders if the leak is for the purpose of frightening the American people (including journalists) into recognizing how extensive the police state is in order to intimidate them.

People need to improve their reading comprehension skills. It helps if you read without preconceptions of what the writer will say before you actually read what they wrote.

I haven't read much at all that Wolf wrote in the past, but nothing in her article was anti Liberty. Actually the opposite is the case, though I don't agree with all her views expressed in it.

If this NSA fellow is everything he says he is . . . terrific. He is a man of principle and a hero to our nation. . . . But we need to ask questions and examine what we are told.