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Yet another post about La. Caucuses

(originally a reply to a post by Treber.

I have yet to get a satisfactory answer on this.

Now pay attention, please. It is my understanding that the top 15 and ONLY the top 15 vote getting delegate candidates go to the convention. (alternates too if the delegate drops dead). In light of that stipulation, I have the following observations and a question.

If ANYONE can give me a satisfactory answer I will shut up.

Let me get this straight:

1. There were basically two types of delegate candidates:
Ron Paul
Non-Ron Paul

2. Now the non-pauls CHOSE to be non-pauls (uncommitted is VERY disingenuous)

3. The non-pauls, who are obviously supporters of the OTHER candidates banding together, won the top 15 spots in each precinct (with like 4 exceptions out of 105).

4. So, under the rule that only the top 15 are chosen at each precinct, of ALL the 105 delegates who go to the convention, 101 of them are anti-paul, and a grand total of 4 are pro-paul.

5. Question: We Won?



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Dose anyone have

A list of the Ron Paul Delegates so we can look and see the numbers and even know how many votes were cast for our guy? The results are posted on lagop.com but they are useless unless you know what delegates were the Ron Paul Delegates and what Delegates were for other Candidates. The Pro Life/ Pro Family people have several web pages that list their delegates.

Reason.com article

Don't know if this was posted/discussed already:
http://reason.com/blog/show/124573.html
So what the heck does this mean?

The article:

I just spoke to Andrew Axom, the field director for Ron Paul 2008 in Louisiana, to figure out how they did in yesterday's caucuses. The answer? "Honestly, we do not know yet."

Here is how National Review's detail-driven political reporter David Freddoso explained it:

< Last night, something like 20,000 Republicans in Louisiana picked the delegates to their state convention, who will select half of the state's delegates to the national convention (or, as Jim correctly points out, they may select nearly all of them).

The official results are not in yet, but I'm told that McCain beat all of the other candidates. The conservative "uncommitted" effort — designed to influence the party platform — might have come out ahead of everyone...
Ron Paul finished second. His supporters reportedly mobbed the 11 polling places, but many of them could not participate because they were not registered Republicans. They were required to cast provisional ballots, many of which will not count. (The provisional ballots are part of the reason for the delay in tallying the results.) >

Axom confirmed all of this and explained that the "Uncommitted" slate was called the "Pro-Life, Pro-Family" slate. Until yesterday there was a good organization for Fred Thompson. When Fred moseyed off the stage, his canny organizers backed the PLPF slate and handed out ballots like the one pictured above, encouraging people to "win one for the Gipper" by voting for now-homeless delegates. "It was a very slick move on their part," Axom said.

A sizable of number of Paul voters were not registered Republicans until recently (some may not have re-registered at all), so they didn't show up on the rolls and had to cast provisional ballots. In all but two districts (where there aren't enough provisional ballots to affect the outcome) the party is counting them to see if they 1)were cast by registered Republicans and 2)add up to a win.

Final results, when they're available, will be at the LA GOP's website. We're looking at a majority of Republicans in one of the strongest GOP states (post-Katrina) who voted for either Ron Paul or a man who died in 2004.

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I read it that way too.

I need a much clearer explanation than "relax, all is well." If what I'm seeing is so, we got royally skunked by the other campaigns putting differences aside in order to defeat an external enemy, Ron Paul. External? Yes, if your allegiance is to the New World Order.

Please show me it's just a bad paranoid dream.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

That's what

I'm waiting for too!!

Here's a shot at it

1) NO - there was a Paul slate of 15, a Romney slate of 15, a McCain slate of less than 15 and a Pro-Life/Pro-Family slate of 15 that was made up of Thompson, Huckabee, and Rudy supporters. There are reports that there was some overlap between the Pro-Life slate and McCain in some districts.

2)The Pro-Life slate is actually ALWAYS strong here in LA and it was our own fault for dropping the ball on this one. YES, they did claim to many they were uncommitted, but technically they are since at least one of their candidates has dropped out and the others might as well. Remember - this was about delegates to a STATE convention. They were concerned that we would change the platform away from a Pro-Life position because they mistakenly believed that Dr. Paul is for abortion - which is of course absurd.

3)YES - unofficially. I still need to do some math but in all but Dist 3 & 7 there stands a chance that the provisional ballots may gain some more delegates. (most of our supporters changed affiliation at the last minute and so were not on the GOP lists dated from March of 07 - the deadline was Nov 30th)

4)The top 15 of each CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, those Pro-Life delegates are not necessarily all anti-Paul and we still have an opportunity to win them over.

5)No, but we didn't exactly lose either. We got some delegates, maybe more. There is time to win over the others, and we still have a primary which can promise 20 delegates to Paul (for national not state) if we can get him 50%+ Not likely but not impossible if the field narrows.

Bottom line - the Pro-Life ticket has a majority of the delegates but they are not set in stone as to who they will vote for and they are officially uncommitted.

McCain got first Paul got 2nd

I have no idea how many delegates went to who...

I heard

Paul won the caucus...so why did McCain get the most delegates?

"It does not take a majority to prevail. But rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." ~Samuel Adams while plotting the Boston Tea Party.

http://disillusionedrants.blogspot.com/

I don't have an answer for

I don't have an answer for you. I wish I did.

Why not write to the LA GOP and ask the questions that we are unable to answer.

Come back and post the response when you get it.

I GET IT

We were warned about this over and over. I can't believe that we are so stupid as to go to a caucus with big Ron Paul posters in hand. Wake up people, go and do whatever it takes to be a delegate. I was voted as a delegate here in Arizona by keeping my mouth shut about my political leanings. You ARE REPUBLICANS at these events. DON'T say anything different. If someone asks you, be very uncommitted and talk about all other candidates FIRST. Then if RP comes up in conversation just be polite and say you like some of his ideas. It's not a lie that way.

Boston Tea Bump

keep it low low

Good idea, all RP supporters

Good idea, all RP supporters need to read this.

Bump

Bump this up.

Puppets come and puppets go but the world's stage is getting cluttered.

Very good advice

This is excellent advice and every state needs to pay attention. Ron Paul supporters need to know ahead of time which delegates to vote for but at the actual caucus all Ron Paul delegates and supporters need to appear as just another Republican. Weatherdoc you need to repost this under its own thread and keep bumping it.

Important

repost on forum

Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

News stories say

McCain won in LA with a majority of the vote. Paul came in second. Yet in the "polls" he is not even in the top 4. Is there ANYONE here who can explain to us what this means and answer the questions above???

"It does not take a majority to prevail. But rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." ~Samuel Adams while plotting the Boston Tea Party.

http://disillusionedrants.blogspot.com/

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yeah, i know so sue me