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We are the Gods now... Technological unemployment, The system and you

“In the future… a new generation of artists will be writing genomes as fluently as Blake and Byron wrote verses.”
— Freeman Dyson

Ladies and gentleman we are on the cusp of change. A change so incredibly powerful it will make mockery of all that has come before. A change that will make us the Gods now.

For the last few decades advancements in technology, in all fields, has shown very predictable trends. These trends are advancing exponentially, show no decline in pace, power and scale and are progressing through every industry on the planet.

This change is a double edge sword in so many ways. To understand this coming change is the easy part but to make the leap of faith in accepting it is the challenge. We must make a stand to educate the world about this coming change so we don't kill our selfs with it and we must figure out how to proceed past the dilemma's created by such fast paced change.

This change is technological progress and the implication of exponentially increasing pace of change is what makes this so profoundly different then any thing else that has come before. The pace of process innovation is outpacing product innovations, that is to say, the robots are taking our jobs.

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“Ultimate automation…will make our modern industry as primitive and outdated as the stone age man looks to us today.”
~Albert Einstein

I present a graph for you economic inclined people out there
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?gra...
This graph shows clear cut signs of a coming problem that is already manifesting itself as a "jobless recovery"... but you see, it is so much more complicated then that. This graph show human labor is no longer paired with production. This graph shows technological unemployment and this problem is going to accelerate at an exponential rate.

There is a problem in the whole system. It is a systemic problem of capitalism and money in general. The problem is that labor is no longer tied to profits. As the pace of job outsourcing and, more importantly, automation quickens, people become unemployed, as people become unemployed they are willing to work for less, which reduces purchasing power. It's a viscous cycle and it has a new twist as the future come into focus. Technological Automation has thrown a wrench into even the most dire or predictions regarding capitalistic problems.

The pace of automation is starting to FAR outpace new jobs creation. We can't invent new industry, and therefore jobs, faster then tech is automating those new industries. This leads to a problem(compounded by global pressures and regulations) where robots are becoming cheaper to "hire" then a person. As you can imagine, this is a dilemma of epic proportions.

The robots are becoming smarter and are able to do more tasks everyday. It has become clear that robots WILL take over every task a human can by 2050 and most of the menial tasks will be phased out much sooner then that.

Now I know you are sitting there in your chair saying that's impossible... computers and robots will never take over ALL the jobs but consider this.
Imagine that you could travel back in time to the year 1900. Imagine that you stand on a soap box on a city street corner in 1900 and you say to the gathering crowd, "By 1955, people will be flying at supersonic speeds in sleek aircraft and traveling coast to coast in just a few hours." Not a single person in that crowd would have believed you. Yet, by 1947, Chuck Yeager flew the X1 at supersonic speeds. In 1958, Pan Am started non-stop jet flights between New York and Paris in the Boeing 707.
Because technological advancements follow an exponential curve the rate of progress from 1900-1950 would only take 25 years(1950-1975) and the progress in those 25 years would only take 12.5 years, so on and so forth.

Fast forward to today and this change is occurring so fast that most people don't even see it happening until they go to work only to find they have been replaced by a machine. It's up to us to find a solution that is feasible and realistic without burning down that machines like the Luddites. The Luddites burned down the textile machines in the 1800s because the machines replaced them.

So I have a question for you daily paulers out there reading this...
The questions that we are raising here are profound. How do we prevent this downward spiral from happening? Are we smart enough to see the robotic revolution that is coming and plan for it prior to the crisis? Can we redesign the economy so that we enter the new era of robots smoothly? With robots doing most of the work, can we actually create a society that takes advantage of the leisure that robots can provide? Or will the tens of millions of people displaced by the robots end up being homeless and destitute, living in government welfare dormitories?

In other words: How do we want the robotic economy to work for the citizens of this nation while maintaining the "Ron Paul way"? We should consciously think about that question because the Robots are coming and we are the creating them so we are the gods now.

For further reading for those interested I recommend checking out this crowd sourced list of articles and videos showcasing what I'm talking about. it ranges from manufacturing automation to the quickening pace of genetic engineering (which is why I say we are the gods now).
https://www.facebook.com/notes/eric-fortune/technological-un...
and probably the best video (Ted talk) highlighting exactly what is happening, by the most knowledgeable person around on the subject.
http://www.ted.com/talks/andrew_mcafee_are_droids_taking_our...




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Very important topic

There is so much importance in this single issue that it's nearly always missed in scope. Being possibly the only person on this forum that has previously seen every single video and link listed, I may have a unique perspective.

I've had this discussion at length with many forums over recent years. The examples that arise are often orders of magnitude more advanced than any discussion begin with. When considering the exponential advancement of each field and it leapfrogging ahead because of advancement in other fields, the growth trend is actually many times higher than "power of two exponential". I lean more towards power of 4. But as we know from history (and the comments here), this could create more problems than it solves.

This has always led to one single most basic root problem and the search for that solution always leads me back here.

That problem? The problem of which I speak is the lack of our own control over interest. Sounds easy to comprehend but it gets pretty complicated in it's implementation so here goes.

Interest, as many of us know, manifests itself in numerous forms, but they all essentially do the same thing. They take the value of time out of our wealth by preying on our impatience.

Loan interest is the first example that people think of but not the only one and not even the most devastating. Insurance hits us the hardest, taking roughly 1/4th to 1/3rd of our lifetime income. Investments purport to gain us money but by fostering more inflation than it produces, we balance out with a loss in that game. This loss is both as devastating to the economy, the abuse of resources and loss of personal liberties as it is stealthy. Beyond these, we could go into derivatives, CDSs, shorting, futures and hedging but we can also go towards the direction of lobbying and general consumerism. The paths are myriad.

The solution, however, is as simple as just taking local/personal control over our interest. And yes, I do mean that in the double meaning of interest rates and things being in our best interest.

Best interest is a simpler concept but it has so many more options. For brevity here I'll summarize it to going local and fully self sustainable, which is all completely possible today.

Interest payment control is tougher to comprehend but simpler to implement. Basically, we must stop paying out any money that ends up in the hands of the banks. Step one is direct interest. Step two is stopping our support for companies that are leveraged via stocks and other games. Step three is hoard our money until we can spread our personal wealth to our friends and families in the form of low interest loans and eventually zero interest loans. When we get to the point where small, competitive companies can be started in the black (no debt forcing perpetual growth), only then will we see price inflation stop.

Yes, I know the real reason for inflation is the increase in monetary quantity but that is a symptom of people struggling to make ends meet somewhere on the social ladder. When zero-growth companies can make use of technological advances to compete with the big boys (and they can now, technically - it's just not socially acceptable to say so), we will have a growing segment countering the price inflation that comes from the resulting increase in prosperity. Planned obsolescence will be replaced with things like printers and mixers that last generations. (We've already built enough of both of these products to supply all 7 billion people with 2 each but neither has existed a single generation yet!)

A happy coincidence of this is that as we take back those monetary losses, the banks lose an equivalent amount of income. And since they are leveraged as much as 100 times (354 in the case of Goldman), we actually have 100 times the power to gently squeeze them into a stock death spiral. (Think of how fast Trump went bankrupt as compared to how long it took him to earn his money.) So as we gain individual prosperity, our prosperity's foes - namely the banks - lose their power over us in 100:1 proportions.

The great news in this is that the social result of all of this is more time spent with family, leading to so many social ills being solved on a grass roots basis. And all that will take place privately, fostering awareness and support for private, not public solutions. This will inevitably lead to less police statism and more individual freedom.

Not bad for a single change making a big difference, 'eh?

And FWIW, "than" is the comparison word, not "then" which shows chronological order. To some of us, those two words are as different as liberal and conservative.

If robots can take over all

If robots can take over all productive work, then the international elites will have no need for human workers. Robots will be able to produce all the wealth the elites desire. It becomes unnecessary for human workers to consume to keep the economic treadmill going.

Once we reach that point, I think the problem for the elites is what to do with all of the human labor that has become superfluous. Billions of people around the world will have no means to support themselves, but they'll have plenty of idle time on their hands. All those hungry billions at the bottom of the pyramid would covet what those at the top possess. The elites might fear rebellion and revolution even more than they do now. A possible solution for them is to eliminate the discontented and superfluous masses through war. Or maybe famine or a pandemic.

The source of their power and control is fractional reserve banking, which they've centralized under the international central banking system. If we can get rid of fractional reserve banking, then we can neuter the international elite and we the people can retake the American economy and have it work for us rather than for them.

"I ain't the dying type."

Reader, writer, soldier.

good luck to the elites... 6.99 billion vs .01

The free flow of info has changed the game... they have lost control as people wake up enmass everyday.

its going to be hard for a soldier to fight for them when the soldiers whole family is unemployed and blames the government... but then again... drones...

this is going to be a long fight people.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

Don't kid yourself

Factories are being built all over Eastern Europe.

For example, Bentley, Hyundai, Chinese, German, etc.

I was in E. Europe 15 years ago and told them that Americans would be moving there lol

not good for W. European workers. They have to be brought down to E. European standards and made to eat horsemeat and drink slivovitz and start smoking ;)

donvino

The only way people will

The only way people will survive is if we go to something like Sharia Banking Law.

We are all already in a way

We are all already in a way "Gods" that is proven mathematically.

People still have to eat and shit

Two very big market segments

“Give a man a gun, he can rob a bank. Give a man a central bank, and he can rob a country and the world.”
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No economy? No problem.

I first came across this information while reading and listening to Terence McKenna who theorized on this subject based on his experiences with shamanism and plants. He really hit the nail on the head from my perspective, he saw the technological singularity in the 70s. His view on the matter was that the technological singularity is a goal of nature. What we refer to as "nature" is a living thing and the singularity is what it wants. Nature is just as much computers and concrete as it is trees and birds. Human beings get to play perhaps the most important role in making it happen. McKenna thought that the acceleration to this singularity would happen exponentially faster. He said, "it's going to get so weird that everyone will have to talk about how weird it is." His recorded lectures are really fun to listen to.

McKenna thought there was free will when it came to our future. Whether the singularity comes with a fascist police state or comes with a free and loving society of individuals is still up to us, collectively speaking.

This is not an economic or political problem. It is a cultural problem. Culture is psychological programming. Libertarian-minded folk tend to respect different cultural programming as long as their own is not threatened. This usually results in peaceful operation; however, a more massive group of individuals use cultural programming that is so off balance and out of tune that violence and coercion are created and thrives. Spreading the message of liberty is really just trying to replace bad ideas with good ones. That is what we have to do. Not just talk shit on what's f-ed up, but replace it with better ideas. This was Ron Paul's goal and he was very successful.

It seems as if the police state is tightening its grip over everything. Things are getting worse while at the same time positive things happen, not just in the political world, but in individual lives. Nature might need the negativity to spark the positive. To quote the movie I Heart Huckabees, "No manure, no magic." McKenna I'm sure would also share that sentiment.

What Mckenna thought was needed was what he called an "archaic revival." Not stepping back, but awakening to the true nature of life and humanity through plant-based shamanism. To hear him explain it in his recorded lectures is very inspiring, they are very easy to find and listen to online. Psychoactive plants have been with humanity since its birth, may have even been responsible for consciousness, and are absolutely illegal and socially unacceptable in our culture. Anyone who has experimented with cannabis knows how powerful it effects your mind. Is it any wonder why statists dont want you to have it? And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

It is my humble opinion what without these special consciousness altering plants that have traditionally been used by shamans, individuals will not be able to awaken their mind and open their eyes to the reality the singularity brings. They are the individuals who accept and facilitate the police state. How much fluoride does it take? They have enough, but it is useless against the plants I refer to.

I can't really approach this subject from an economic perspective. I think the technological singularity is more than just losing jobs and debt based currency. It is about how we live out our lives here on this planet. We should be asking ourselves, why do we have to pay money just to exist and live on the planet? The things we need fall from the sky, spring from the ground and are birthed from our bodies. With shamanic psychoactive plants AND technology, we can have a peaceful and joyous future. The technology without the plants might mean police state and who knows what else... Just my perspective from my little corner of the world.

exactly my sentiment

This coming crazyness is, at its very core, a culture problem because people are not seeing the trees for the forest, not yet at least. but its coming exponentially faster. regardless of what happens the worst we can do is slow this inevitability down but not stop it.

i've seen alot of talk about Mckenna but haven't looked into the ideology too much just yet. but so far his ideology is what the "collective"(hate this word) needs to tend towards

i would say if we liberty supporters as a whole understood the what's coming would be in prime position to steer the plan as this all plays out.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

Steer the ship

I think you'd enjoy listening or reading McKenna. Food of the gods, which is a book and a recorded lecture you can find with google, explains the evolutionary role of plants in regards to human consciousness. The lecture Eros Eschaton is an entertaining overview of the whole situation. The book The Invisible Landscape is a highly scientific, detailed and scholarly explanation of the psychedelic experience and its implications. It's a pretty tough read. The book True Hallucinations is about the beginning of his encounters with shamanistic plants in South America. This one is a story and very entertaining. It is also a recorded lecture where he summarizes the book. The lecture Rap Dancing into the Third Millinium is perhaps his most interesting talk. He talks about the most powerful psychoactive substance known and its implications. This one gets straight to the point.

I think intelligent individuals who understand concepts such as liberty are in a prime position to steer the ship of their locality and influence the good hearted but misled people around them. What I think is most important is to be happy and enjoy being alive despite everything negative.

I've read much about the failure of AI

AI and computing power are two separate things. To date, no computer can sensibly interact with human beings. So while automation will play a greater role in manufacturing, until they can make more progress in getting a machine to really think, you will not see much progress in any area that requires creativity or judgement.

this isnt so much about the possibility of consciences computers

this isn't so much about the possibility of consciences computers... but the algorithms that can mimic human nuances at a level that is near or at pairty... the advancement in this regard is astonishing to say the least. I highly recommend reading or watching some of the stuff from the link on the OP.

I think you can agree that there is a dilemma and it's only going to grow over time.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

In situations that require

In situations that require speed and efficiency in performing operations on lists of information, computers perform well. In the real world, where the information cannot be given in discreet practical lists, computers are retarded. Most six-year-olds can easily outperform the best computers in basic conversation.

When i read the above piece, I thought of claims in medical science that life expectancy would continue to increase and disease would be eradicated. Then I thought of how antibiotics were becoming less and less effective and how 30 years from now, a simple cut may be cause for real alarm, as we reenter a pre-anitbotic age. With all the spectacular advances in medical technology and the amazing diagnostics tools, most advances in life expectancy are a product of reduced infant mortality, clean water, refrigeration, antibiotics, etc.

And what about the standard of living and the advent of commonly available computing power? In many ways, as technology advances, people get poorer because of the failure, greed and stupidity of man. How much computing power does the Federal Reserve have? Can a computer "learn" how to avoid economic collapse? Can a computer make decisions regarding what information should be collected by the NSA, and in what way it should be collected so as to minimize the destruction of human liberty?

For better or worse, man is still in charge and will be for a long time. A computer is just a tool, like a really sophisticated jack hammer; a blunt force instrument. No doubt they will have their effect, but computers will not be effective in controlling the chaos that computers bring until they learn to really think and feel.

So my only point is that we may tend to underestimate future forecasts of technological progress, we also tend to overestimate that progress as a means of fundamentally changing man's experience.

"It is not the dog in the fight. It is the fight in the dog"


http://youtu.be/VgNtiKUj6Rs Doggedly fighting against massive injections of liquidity.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

your assessment is correct. I have pondered this myself.

from my vantage point. the question really is... what is the economy?
when people can make as much or more selling insurance than I do....
why should they bother with my skill set?

only geeks like me would do that.... and if "insurance" is really just organized gambling writ large. then my best guess is that what we know as the "economy" today...is seriously bloated.

to be fair and not pick on insurance people. would we really need accountants or CPA's if not for tax purposes?

my own occupation is safe for now. in fact, there is a SERIOUS shortage of qualified people at my level.
the question will soon be answered, will fiat money and socialism work in the digital age?

and if so... how much fluoride would that take? is there enough? supply and demand, that I can understand!

If it comes to a point

were robots take over close to 100% of people's work, including manual labor, then the companies that employ them would start to lose customers (and revenue) because the majority of people would not be able to afford their products. Sure they can have robots make their products for next to nothing, (not including material costs) but they will have next to nobody to buy them, a catch 22.

How do you ensure employment in a robotic world? Educate yourself in robotics. Duh.lol

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

If trends continue like they have... computers will be as smart

If trends continue like they have... computers will be as smart as us by 2025. There is no reason to think this is impossible.

They will do the thinking and innovating.. also by 2026 they will be 2x as smart as us and 4x by 2027

In the short term your idea is valid. learn robotics and programing. but very quickly human programers are writing programs that write their own source code (somewhat like learning)

and you hit the nail on the head... robots take the jobs, people have no jobs therefore no revenue to buy what the robots are making.
This is the conflict of capitalism. even in the free market system this problem still exists... automate or be left in the dust because your competitor can make the item cheaper then you.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

The so-called "Technological

The so-called "Technological Singularity" will occur in the year 2045 if current trends hold.

"...$1,000 will buy computer power equal to a single brain "by around 2020"[10] while by 2045, the onset of the Singularity, that same amount of money will buy one billion times more power than all human brains combined today.[11]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singularity_Is_Near#Predict...

Of course, in Frank Herbert's view (the author of the Dune books) intelligent machines led to the anti-technological war, called the Butlerian Jihad.

the 2045 is when computer exceed EVERY human on earth

the 2045 is when computer exceed EVERY human on earth combined. 2025 is the prediction of a single human

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

"Exceed" is far too gentle a

"Exceed" is far too gentle a word. We're talking a BILLION times more powerful than all human brains combined. That is far beyond our individual comprehension.