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Conspiracy Theorists, Why Your Family Hates You

Conspiracy Theorists, Why Your Family Hates you - Vinny Eastwood, Dr Rima Laibow, Ralph Fucetola
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No need to dignify

There is really no need to dignify ill will towards you when you are well-informed about conspiracies. After all, how many dead presidents do you need to bring the public to awareness of the problem before you start to actually see and realize that conspiracies exist and there are those in existence that will blow your friggin mind.

All one has to do is read the first page of the petition from NORML to the DEA in 1988 to realize that there exists official documentation of things in this world that the public is not supposed to know. Cannabis is merely one victim of the natural world to fall prey to the world class criminals.

Of course there is no need to hate "conspiracy theory name callers." It serves no purpose. Remember just because a majority of people believe something and even experts are commissioned to back that up doesn't mean that they are correct. In the 1950's cigarettes were good for you and that was backed by doctors. BooYa!

Suggestion: The next time anyone calls you a conspiracy theorist ask them simply how much evidence they would like you to furnish them with before they will decide to wake up for themselves. It works for me.

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Similar approach

Mine is similar: I tend to react to being called a conspiracy theorist (or hearing the term in conversation) with "well, a theory is a hypothesis that has data behind it" and then share some of the data of the conspiracy that the conversation was theorizing.

It is not easy convincing someone of something they don't want to be convinced of. Many in my family still think energy healing is bogus, but I can feel it so I know it is real. And, some in my family practice Reiki (I learned Jin Shin Jyutsu first, myself), and they are better communicators than me (I'm NT, I just want to understand everything).

Toastmasters can help us NTs work on our communications.

I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.
http://fija.org - Fully Informed Jury Association
http://jsjinc.net - Jin Shin Jyutsu (energy healing)

Rima Laibow?

Her husband is former General Stubblebine, father of the modern psyop and headed the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 81-84.

They are alternative health & 9/11 truth gatekeepers.

Just looking at the title: 'Why your family hates you' seems more of a psychological ploy to create division in the conspiracy theorist's personal lives. It's probably more likely that more of your family members are becoming conspiracy theorists.

Anyways I'm not going to spend any time listening to Rima Laibow.

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

The fellow on the left of the screen made alot of very good

points that many will find useful. For that reason the video is worth watching IMO.

Look into personality typing . . .

(Myers-Briggs, etc) and you find that many people aren't 'Big Picture', long term thinking types. They focus on what they consider 'practical' and 'hands on'. They're by no means stupid, and often are outstanding thinking on their feet in emergency situations. Its just that they usually think about the more immediate. There are also a great number of people who are 'good boy/good girl' types. They are rule followers & respect authority. I don't have the exact figures in front of me now, but something like 2/3 of the population are made up of these two types of people. Most in the military and police fit in these categories.

Secondly, people don't let go of long held beliefs unless they feel a great deal of pain. They identify with those beliefs and think its Who They Are. It feels very threatening when those beliefs are threatened.

So what does this mean ? A large portion of the population isn't predisposed to consider information & ideas that either seem 'too theoretical' or 'speculative'. A great deal of the population won't buck the authority of their own long held beliefs, taught to them since they were children. It won't be until they feel enough pain personally, that they will consider new information & thinking. This is especially true with unpleasant information that often triggers denial in people. They don't want to face it. They feel afraid.

Many changed their views on the Vietnam war after their kids came back in bodybags. Ron Paul got more donations from active military folks than any other candidate from either party. Why ? Those people feel the pain of their loved ones being harmed and away.

All we can do is speak the truth when we know it to others. We're not likely to 'force' anyone to change, if they're not ready to do so. Some day they may feel enough personal pain to be motivated to open up their thinking. If that happens, something you said may be remembered and they may go look into it further.

Knowledge of Psychological Archetypes IS critical

See http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/1931308

NT's live to understand. 5-10%
NF's live to feel. 15-20%
SP's live to take action. 30-35%
SJ's live to serve. 40-45%

In survey after survey among self-identified libertarians, we tend to be 70-80% NT's who only make up some 5% of the regular population. If we are ever to break out of our isolated ghettos, we will need to recruit more NF's who are the great charismatic communicators. Unfortunately, libertarians are alone in seeing wealth as something that is open summed, where wealth can be created, conserved, or consumed, whereas ALL the other personalities, but ESPECIALLY the NF's, see wealth as fixed/zero summed, where wealth can always be equitably shared, but not where wealth can be invested to create more wealth for everyone! See http://www.Kiersey.com for more.

"The dearest ambition of a slave is not liberty, but to have a slave of his own."
Sir Richard Burton

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

I guess my main point . . .

is that people are different. They see & act differently in the world. Myers-Briggs, Kiersey, and other methods are useful tools for helping us understand ourselves & others. But IMO, its not about getting too bogged down in the details of the various categories, etc
Search online and you'll find the stories of soldiers who are action orientated type guys who want to serve and who respect authority. They had personal experiences in war zones which motivated them to change some of their views. Two time Congressional Medal of Honor winner, US Marine Corps general Smedley Butler was one such person.
IMO we should never give up on anyone, but know that if they do begin to see things differently, - - it will be in their own time, when they're ready.

I am an INFJ.Did I take the

I am an INFJ.
Does that mean I fall into the NF category?

I see it more like sowing and watering seeds...

...rather than having to close a sale like a pushy salesman.

Right on

This is exactly it.

The one on the left had some wisdom for the one on the right

A problem is when an underlying assumption is that there has to be agreement or the hope of bringing the person around to agreement to have friendship. That's where the desperation to achieve the goal of agreement can start and tactics that push people away start to look justified if you believe the friendship is doomed anyway without the hope of coming to agreement. Sometimes a topic is that important to at least one side of a friendship that it would have to be resolved to move on, but I've seen this in practice and more often than not it's the conspiracy theorist side that insists this is one of those times.

I think the one on the right isn't giving her family and friends enough credit. She's painting it as if the "one-eyed man" gets killed just for being who he is. That's not it. The rejection comes when any boundaries in the conversation get overrun. If there isn't enough respect left that she can agree to move on to another topic when the friend has made it clear he/she doesn't want to talk about her topic, there isn't enough respect left to have a friendship.

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This example isn't so much about conspiracy theories, but once at a party, a relative was evangelizing a vacationing German about how it was our last hope that the Tea Party save America. It wasn't the topic, but the "I'm right and this is that important so I'm justified in demanding the conversation be about this" way she was cornering him that was wrong. I sent my Obama-loving brother-in-law in to "rescue" the German since I was too close to agreeing with her to verbally pry her off as forcefully.

My brother-in-law's description of her "teabagging him pretty hard" was the only apt use of that term for politics I've ever heard. But the imagery of consent-less domination that the word "teabagging" brings to mind I think describes some of the respectless behavior that destroys the grounds for friendship. It's not the topic. Unfortunately, a broader use of the word "teabagging" by people only interested in mocking the whole Tea Party has stolen it from being a useful description of political behavior in general.

Defend Liberty!

Most of

my family thinks I am crazy. Most of my close friends are all on the same page with me. My mother recently told me Rand Paul sounds like a great man, so maybe she is finally waking up. My Co-Workers are afraid to even talk about it.

Desire....(philosophical)

Desire to convince others of your points is partly why there's the duality in families. Also categorizing people as sheep/intelligent is another problem. Already the conspiracy theorist puts their family in another category. Wherever there's a dualistic mind set like this, people tend to part ways. It has nothing to do with conspiracies. Just human nature.

The theorist suffers because of the desire to change minds. Look at Alex Jones. He tries to get a HUGE amount of people to think how he does. He succeeds to a large degree, but still gets red in the face over those who disagree with him. So much so that he goes ballistic on TV shows and makes himself out like everyone must feel as he does. He gets out of control over his own desires. Much like money, many can never have enough.

That's really why families distance themselves. In reality we're all here together. The walls are imaginary. If you look at what happens in your life without the internet or TV and extend your brain all over the world - you'd see our lives are mostly stable, peaceful and not interrupted by the events outside. It's the desires (if too strong) that separate people. The desire can only come from within the person, not external events. So when you are one on one with your family members, they won't see your mental tentacles reaching from Benghazi, to 9-11 and the big banks....

Just listen to the video with desire in mind. What does each talker desire? To get people to think as they do. The desire to feel as they do, like we're headed off a cliff into lava and we need to hold on tight! How do they categorize others? Sheep! Already the theorist puts imaginary walls up in their own minds. Then they discuss how all it does is bring themselves anger. They actually suffer for their own desire.

Did their family change anyone in the end? No. Only the person if they are receptive, and on their own will decide what direction to take.

The truth is, Ron Paul never changed minds. He just spoke what people already agreed with what they knew was the truth. He never forces or put others down, or categorized them as sheep. That's why he was successful.

Very good post, thank you.

Pretty accurate

I've had no communication with my parents or sisters in over 3 years. Never been closer to my wife and daughter. Haven't lost any friends but more than half of them now think I'm a "conspiracy theorist". lol.