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Snowden: Hero Or Traitor?

Why Snowden is a hero.


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I thought more was

coming out?
Glad he alerted the sleeping sheep. Some woke up. But, many repeat the words of the propagandists. Thinkin there is a need for one more body slam to really rock the top of the cabal. (Thought there was more to come?)
He answered thoughtful questions with very intelligent answers,!

Bases are loaded, two out, bottom of the ninth, down three runs, Snowden is at bat.

It's time! Rand Paul 2016!

"Truth, Justice, and the American Way!"

Snowden: Hero Or Traitor?

Great Stuff!

Thank you Jan, I always enjoy your truthful, cut through the matrix, presentations.

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Good Video

Maestro.

To my Liberal Trolls:
"Really Don't mind if you sit this one out. Your words but a whisper, your deafness a shout. I may make you feel, but I can't make you think."
Ian Anderson 1972

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Hero, no doubt about it..

Hero, no doubt about it..

Beware the cult of "government"...

i love his interviews

a commentary like this not so much, although everything he says i agree with. and it'd be better if he didn't use his hands so much

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Ha

Yeah, I think he attended the Ron Paul school of public speaking.

Why only those two choices?

Sounds like another setup question, like are you an apple or are you an orange? The MSM is trying to program you into believing one or the other... but perhaps it is neither.

Perhaps, he is working for the government and releasing the documents they want him to release, in a fashion they want it released in, so they can promote diminishing the 4th amendment.. so in that case he would not be hero, and he would not be a traitor, he would be doing a job. Or maybe he is real, but they knew that from the start and set him up, and lead him in the direction his psyche profile said he would go.

Snowden is a Hero up to a point

I saw a discussion involving three former NSA whistleblowers conducted by USA today. One made a very valid point that in certain areas Snowden may be going to far, such as the China hacking allegations. As his allegations relate to domestic surveillance and the violation of the 4th amendment, he is a hero. IF he continues to travel down the road of exposing espionage or perhaps counter espionage efforts against foreign entities, he may be entering traitorous territory.

disagree

"Snowden reportedly showed reporter Lana Lam documents that showed the NSA had been hacking computers in Hong Kong and on the mainland since 2009. He estimated there were hundreds of targets in Hong Kong and mainland China, including the Chinese University of Hong Kong. None of the documents revealed any information about Chinese military systems, Snowden said."
http://www.businessinsider.com/snowden-us-has-been-hacking-c...

The purpose of all this is to protect Civil Liberties

I guess if you can demonstrate to me that the Chinese are not engaged in cyber-espionage I might agree with you.

If we want to unilaterally disarm in this realm, then I say tell all. i did not know dismantling all intelligence was the purpose. i thought we were concerned with domestic spying.

The hacking he exposed

was directed at domestic spying since it dealt with "civilian infrastructure" such as universities, hospitals, and private businesses, not government targets.

perhaps this will help

Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 2h

Watching people writhe around trying to find something wrong with Edward Snowden's answering people's questions is quite fascinating.

Question:

Spencer Ackerman
17 June 2013 4:16pm
Edward, there is rampant speculation, outpacing facts, that you have or will provide classified US information to the Chinese or other governments in exchange for asylum. Have/will you?
Answer:

This is a predictable smear that I anticipated before going public, as the US media has a knee-jerk "RED CHINA!" reaction to anything involving HK or the PRC, and is intended to distract from the issue of US government misconduct. Ask yourself: if I were a Chinese spy, why wouldn't I have flown directly into Beijing? I could be living in a palace petting a phoenix by now.

Follow-up from the Guardian's Spencer Ackerman:
Regarding whether you have secretly given classified information to the Chinese government, some are saying you didn't answer clearly - can you give a flat no?
Answer:

No. I have had no contact with the Chinese government. Just like with the Guardian and the Washington Post, I only work with journalists.

I completely agree with you

I completely agree with you Jan except on one small point. I don't think there should be a public "debate" on the topic because it is a criminal activity and a violation of the Constitution and those responsible should go to jail and be shamed for violating the law and their oaths. Illegal activity of this magnitude should not be up for debate about whether it is practical or okay or the ends justify the means or so we can pass a retroactive law really quick to make it legal. Some things go so far they should just begin the investigations, prosecutions and throw those responsible in prison...and this is one of them. I notice nowadays that everything is paraded through the media as some interesting two sided debate but nothing ever gets done about it in the real world. Interest fizzles out and then the criminals keep on doing what they do until the next scandal. Yes Snowden is a hero, the real traitors are in DC.

+1 Always enjoy Jan's

+1

Always enjoy Jan's vids.

And on an entirely unrelated note, he reminds me of a few friends I had in Brazil when I lived there, whose analysis of issues had nothing to do with borders; only sense or non-sense!

Cheers, Jan.

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While I'm not in a place where I can listen, I always enjoy your videos, and am grateful for the work you do.

Bump for later viewing and thank you.

He's the man.
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Excellent report, Jan! Thank you!

Here are a couple reports you should look at. Senators Levin and Coburn PERMANENT INVESTIGATIONS Committee on Homeland Security 2012
http://cdn.govexec.com/media/gbc/docs/pdfs_edit/100312cc1.pdf

The scope for abuse and massive incompetence of the massive spy networks have been known for a while.. but too many are profiting from it! There are thousands of potential Snowdens' out there with access.

ACLU reports 2007 http://www.aclu.org/pdfs/privacy/fusioncenter_20071212.pdf
ACLU report2008 http://www.aclu.org/pdfs/privacy/fusion_update_20080729.pdf

SPIES FOR HIRE
A GROUNDBREAKING EXPOSÉ OF THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY’S REAL “MEN IN BLACK”:
PRIVATE-SECTOR SPOOKS
http://timshorrock.com/?page_id=198

UK -'Artist Taxi Driver on Snowden ( LANUGUAGE WARNING! )
Wow!!!!! Edward Snowden...just stunning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB_nIz7MWtY

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

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Thanks Jan.

Good commentary.

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

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SNOWDEN IS A HERO

SNOWDEN IS A HERO

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With $2 trillion in damage

With $2 trillion in damage estimates to TPTB so far, I'd say he's done a pretty good job.