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Who would NOT vote for Ron Paul?

I am curious, who would NOT vote for Ron Paul in 2016?

We all know his turnouts at rallies. He is all over the news. Whether Ron wants to or not, there is no question that Libertarian party would love to have him as their nominee, and he would be on the ballot.

Americans are [I hope] realizing that the duopoly does exist.

Do you actually think that I, ProudAmericanFirst, would NOT vote for Ron? If so, dream on.

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Ron Paul is not going to run

Ron Paul is not going to run as a libertarian. He learned in 1988 that any party affiliation other that democrat or republican is hopeless. Gary Johnson confirmed the same thing in 2012. Johnson was a well qualified candidate and what did he get, one or two per cent? Ron will be 80 years old in 2016. If there is going to be a Paul running for president I believe it will be Rand. If Rand chooses not to run, then Ron might run again just as a way to spread his message which is exactly what he did in 2012.

He's no longer runnng for

He's no longer runnng for anything, so there is no sensible discussion that can follow such a hypothetical.

I won't...... I won't waist

I won't......

I won't waist the gas to go to the polls now that I am 100% convinced they are completely rigged. I refuse to play in their rigged game. Mr. Rockwell was right about this all along.


I need more info...

Who would he be running against?


I would have to vote for him but I don't want him to run again.

It's time we win something. Time is running out.

And if by some miracle he won, he would be 90 when his term ended.

In the end though, if Jeb Bush or Rubio or someone like that is the GOP nominee, i would vote for him.

Let him have his retirement

I wouldn't ask him to do it again. Dr. Paul has served.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

You are obviously NOT in the know.

Ron, retire?

In case you are not aware, Ron has been touring nation-wide speaking Liberty. RonPaulInstitute.org is alive and well. Ron is behind CampaignForLiberty 100%. Ron continues to be in the news.

Ron is a true statesman. It is in his blood. Retire?


If more people worked as hard as Ron, maybe we could finally get something done.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Despite I'm ambivalent about

Despite I'm ambivalent about the morality of voting, I would vote for him. Though I fear it would be unfair to ask.

But please don't call him a statesman. Statesman is derived from kingsman, ie person whose absolute loyalty is to the king or state respectively. Kissinger was a statesman. He believed in the glory and expansion of the state.

Ron is the opposite and antithesis of a statesman. He's loyal to the people and their freedom from the state, as much as he can achieve.

He's an American.

He's my countryman.

But the reason we adore him is precisely because he's loyal to us and never the state.

Part of their bag of tricks is vocabulary manipulation. If they get you to be confused about what statesman means, and you think it is somehow just a general term of approval, then they get you to implicitly support the ever expanding state, because after all you admire statesmen don't you? So you must admire what the statesman is loyal to.

We shouldn't play that.

Whoa, hold your horses here!

You have a strong misunderstanding of the word "statesmen" so lets clear up the lexicon here a bit. The origin of "Kingsmen" comes from the name of the acting troop of which William Shakespeare was the principal actor originally called "Lord Chamberlain's Men." The origin is english.

"statesmen" comes from the french "homme d'État".

homme - man
Etat - the state or condition

Statesmen - a person who exhibits great wisdom and ability in directing the affairs of a government or in dealing with important public issues.

Statesmen has nothing whatsoever to do with the "State" as an authority, it has to do with the "state or condition". A Statesmen is one who "deals with the current state of affairs" with great wisdom. Dr. Paul is absolutely a Statesmen.

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

No, he's a patriot. Never a statesman.

Not a criticism but you need to understand.

Statesman means "man of the state", as kingsman means "man of the king". It has everything to do with state as authority.

Coup d'État means overthrow of the state.
Étatism means statism.
Homme d'État means man of the state.

When we internalize their twisting of words, we implicitly allow them to twist our minds.

You can call him a statesman if you choose, but you're implicitly accepting the validity of the state as authority when you do, and you are confusing people who are less nuanced.

After all, if Dr. Paul is a statesman, then the state must be good. This twisting of vocabulary is not accidental.

Paul is not a man of the state. While he doesn't publicly condone total anarchy, everything he's done has been to reduce the state. If anything he's an antistatesman.


état [eta]
m state ; de santé, d’une voiture, maison state, condition ; (liste) statement, list ; état civil bureau registry office ; condition marital status ; état d’esprit state of mind ; en tout état de cause in any case, anyway ; être dans tous ses états be in a right old state ; être en état de faire qch be in a fit state to do sth ; hors d’état out of order

You may not see it yet, but you are arguing against yourself. Words should be defined by their entomology and not their popular usage. Prior to 1852, coup d'etat was defined as "a stroke to the current condition". It is the perversion of entomology, and uneducated American's whom have changed the meaning to "Overthrow of State".

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

And Étatism means.. the rule

And Étatism means.. the rule of the current condition or some such right?;)

State means two things in English as well. That doesn't change what statism or statesman means. They mean something specific, though derived from a word which has multiple uses. Statesman does mean, man of the state, not 'man of the current state of the state of the stuff that's happening in our current state of affairs'.

Kissinger was a statesman, his (supposed) loyalty to the state.

In fiction Lord Varys is a statesman, though to GRR Martin this is a good thing and thus the spider is portrayed as a noble person. He just wants to save the apparatus of the state from the petty machinations of politicians.

You merely have to look at who the media calls statesmen to get a clue what the hell it means. They never call Ron Paul a statesman. But they will call the murderous (and as oft murdered) Kennedy's, or FDR, or TR, or Wilson statesmen.

Accept that their assessment is correct. They admire men who are of and whose loyalty is to the state, or so they delude themselves. The entire concept has deeply embedded in it the collectivist ruse that there is a greater 'us', and of course it's always 'they' who order and 'we' who get ordered. Collectivism is an excuse for predation. And the statesman stand not just for the predators, but for the principle of predation itself.

Kissinger or Varys don't much care who has the power to rule over other men, to put them in cages, steal from them, or enslave them to fight their wars.

They care very deeply that the power to do so must always exist and expand.

But I digress.. but as I hope you may begin to see, Ron Paul is not that and never that.

A man of the state or a man of the king is neither a man of the people nor a patriot.


neither of us are going to move on this one, and we've both made good points. I call stalemate :) That is the problem with labels in general, no? They can mean different things to different people.

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.


Actions speak louder than words.

My patriotism is well documented. As well as my efforts.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Nothing in comparison to campaigning

Calm down.

Dr. Paul would be 81 in 2016. You have to stay in office for 2 terms to be effective. He would be 89 at the end of his second term.

As much as we love the good Dr. we need to let go and focus on the next generations that will be able to go the distance.

Yes, I am well aware he is not spending his time on the golf course. But the demands are nothing compared to campaigning. He will be a force but he will not be a candidate again.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

You are not Liberty.

You speak age discrimination, which the Doctor himself vehemently opposes.

So let us ponder what tptb will have us 'believe': Justin Amash is far too young. Ron Paul is far too old.

bush/rubio/jindal/christie, anyone?

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Very presumtuous

What a leap. I never said I would oppose a Ron Paul run in 2016. Where did you read that?

I personally would not ask him to run because I think it would be selfish. That if we all asked him he would do it. I'd rather see him working as an elder spokesman (read wise, not old).

I am watching Rand Paul. And if you want to know, I would very much like to see Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski run. Long shot - yes. But so is a Ron Paul 2016 run.

Justin Amash - he can run if he wants. But I personally believe he needs to gain more experience. In fact, it seems Ron & Rand are asking Justin to stay in Congress and not run for the Senate just yet. Is that age discrimination... or wisdom?


"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

I'm with Rand

and so is Ron.

Go figure.


tptb will not permit that.

We need ballot access, one way or the other.

Maybe you should not have quit your Libertarian party.

Consistency is key. During primary and the election, I did not waver; I followed through until the end. Now is the time to seriously consider other options.

Furthermore, Ron Paul is correct.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Don't blame them

"will not permit that"? It's YOU who will not permit that by admitting you are in their box, and refusing to challenge it. It's like Plato's story of the cave. The shadows on the wall will not permit YOU so you say. Your choice is to be enslaved.

I've got ballot access with Rand. This is why being on a committee is so important, and why working on the committees are so important, and standing up for what is right/righteous.

I am so happy to be out of the LP. You did see that GJ has returned to the GOP? LP is a LOSER Party.

You did not waiver? Change is evivitable.. to grow one must change or die. Do what you want.

Ron Paul says he agrees with Rand 99%.

Mark my words.. Ron is going to support Rand 100% for president. Where will that leave you?

I am not

I am not a slave. I will follow my own heart and do what I must.

If Rand so happens to end up on the ballot, I think that you know that I will do what is right.

Remember this: delegates WON and were stripped and ousted. Rules were changed midstream. They are already criticizing and leaving Rand out of the equation. Etc. Etc. Etc.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

pandering to tptb in FEAR

Apprarently you follow your heart as far as ttptb permit you.

Rand will be on the ballot because people like me will put Rand on the ballot DESPITE people like you ((((((PAF))))))

KNOW THIS.. I was a delegate and many of us are still in, on committees within committees, and rewriting the rules.

Least you foreget.. it's the bravest, the strongest, the smartest among us who got in the GOP and took seats.

pandering in FEAR?

Fear has nothing to do with it.

I hope that you do put Rand on the ballot [I am working toward that same goal]. I also hope that you will not back another leftist, due to oath, as you proudly did with flip-flop-mitt.

Know this, Granger: If you attempt to string us along, and at the last minute pull the rug in order to support the likes of rubio or jeb, just because they have an R after their name...

You [tptb/gop/rnc] have been warned. How is THAT for fear.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


The ptb won't permit you.. what is that if not self enslavement?

I never backed Romney. I explained how the loyalty oath had me vote Romney, not for, Romney, but for my seat.. and since Ron didn't have a chance, what did I lose? I kept my seat. What did your "we" get? GJ who returned to the GOP.

String "us" who is us?

I'm telling it as I experience it.

How's this for my response to your threat: Ppppfffftttt :P

I'm not a ptb.. so what you said in nothing about your true fear.

( Granger )

I did NOT support or vote for gj.

When I said NoOneButPaul, I meant every word of it.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Yes... I would vote for Rand

Yes... I would vote for Rand Paul, but he wouldn't be able to change very much within the system. The only hope is for de facto state secession, where the states remain within the union, but nullify federal laws. This is perfectly described in the fictional book, Molon Labe, by Boston T Party (founder of the Wyoming Free State project). It's folly to believe the entire US can be saved. All empires break-up.

"Ah seen him on teevee!"

"He's go'n whoop them ter'rists." would not vote for Ron Paul.
"But the cheeeldrun!" would not vote for Ron Paul.
"Ew! Guns! Get away!" would not vote for Ron Paul.
"But we have to do SOMETHING!" would not vote for Ron Paul.
"Free Federal abortion is a woman's right!" would not vote for Ron Paul.
"Let's kill 'em all and let Allah sort 'em out." would not vote for Ron Paul.
"Marry wanna leads to harder drugs." would not vote for Ron Paul.

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Ron Paul?

"Who is that? Never heard of him. I'm not going to vote for someone I don't anything about." -Still a good chunk of Americans.

"Liberty is to the collective body, what health is to every individual body. Without health no pleasure can be tasted by man; without liberty, no happiness can be enjoyed by society."

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"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

"I can take any amount of criticism,"

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