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Even Daily Paul Is Not "safe"!

Since the revelation has come out about the NSA massive snooping, I am certain they have access to our identities blogging here.

Passwords are easy to get through spying.

Do you know Michael Nystrom, if we are safe here, or not? I am thinking NOT, as I believe they have sophisticated ways of accessing our passwords....AS WE TYPE THEM IN.

Anybody want to chime in on this??

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I don't really give a fuck

I say what I mean and I mean what I say.
I can just about guarantee they've had me red flagged for years.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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Thank you for all the responses.

It clarified a few things I had wondered about, since this whole revelation started.

This whole things makes me sad, as I'm sure it does all of you. Our politicians are cloaked in secrecy, yet they are the ones who should be the most transparent--even in the emails.

I believe we should have access to all their meetings, all the notes, a streaming video of their meetings, and I believe NOT ONE POLITICIAN should have "secret" meetings.

The recent "secret" meeting reminded me about the one with Nancy Pelosi and all the House Leaders, when the Banking Elite were trying to get them all to pass the Banking Bailouts.

THAT was a meeting we should have been able to spy on---wonder of wonders---could we possibly have recorded data on that meeting floating around somewhere?

Well I see it this way, if

Well I see it this way, if our founding fathers had the balls to tell the King of England to fuck off by signing their names at the bottom of the Declaration of Independence then I should at least have the balls to tell the Federal Government to fuck off on an online forum even if I know they can look up my info.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

No.7's picture

Damn right!!!

Thousands of Tennessee Volunteers gave their lives so I could have freedom, no matter what's left of it. I'm not going to let fear stop me from peacefully dissenting with my opinion.

In the words of Willie O'kief in the JFK movie "Bring all them motherfuckers on man! I'll tell the same damn story!"

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

The government already has

The government already has your SS, DOB, email, home address, Income, and all sorts of other records. What are they going to get from the DP? Your post are public already.

PS I'm sick of being safe! I don't want to have to go through anymore check points, or be screened, and don't want one more law or rule to keep me "safe". I want to live on the edge... just walk right up to an airliner with a bunch of strangers hop in and fly!

“Ever Seen Your Telephone Switchboard?” - AT&T May, 1939

Oh Honey, I don't have time to listen to your calls. Some girls do, I hear. But, I don't. Shall I connect you?

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Not safe

The Daily Paul has no SSL encryption on any part of the site. If you go to httpS://dailypaul.com, you get a page not found error in your browser. When you login with the user/pass form, it is transmitted unsecured to the Daily Paul server. That transmission can be (probably is) intercepted. Your password can then be ascertained even by a high school level hacker. Unless I'm missing a security feature, which I don't understand how I could be, our passwords should be assumed to be compromised. I've been meaning to post about this actually. I'm glad you brought it up.

Also Note

the govt. doesn't need your password to spy on you or know what you do on the Internet.

See my comments about SSL here:


Long story short: if the govt. is interested in tracking you, then you should assume they know ALL of your browsing habits, and have access to your email contents (and probably phone records).

It's not only up to the DP

Yes, encryption won't 'hide your ass' but it will hide the content of your traffic. If you want to go dark, you need other tools as well. However, I'm not comfortable saying "Here's my password Interwebs! Please have it since you know my IP anyway."


the content of your traffic (at the few sites with total SSL) won't mean much because the govt. probably has access to all your email which is where most people reveal things they wouldn't want the whole world reading.

For 99% of the DP visitors the govt. probably knows much more than they think they do about their online and phone content. The real question is why the govt. feels it needs to break the law and obtain this info...

Forget just the NSA.. free Admin access to DP

This isn't just about the NSA. Passwords are free on the DP... just sniff the traffic. Imagine if Jon's password gets taken. Free admin for life... just supply the code. Who would ever know without a code audit?

The NSA isn't the only threat online.

And yeah, email is a pet peeve of mine. SMTP was invented in another era when networks were thought to be trusted. lol

Short answer

yes. I know the DP is monitored and "not safe". Actually, the DP is probably a target for spying since libertarians are sometimes "terror suspects". If they are looking for dangerous people, maybe they should start with the white house, congress, and the news media.

The government doesn't surveillance every website

It would be impossible, imo, and a waste of time. Now, I don't say that to convince you that the DP isn't watched over...I'm sure it is. But what I'm saying is, if you don't want to visit the DP because of this issue, don't bother visiting any other website to discuss similar topics because any other site that's worth visiting will be monitored and any site that isn't being monitored won't be worth visiting.

Surveillance isn't just based on topic matter, it's also based on popularity. The more popular the website, the more likely it is to be spied on.

This is a public forum

As for your username, that will not be difficult to unmask. There's nothing Michael Nystrom can do about that. If you're concerned that your true identity can be correlated with your username then you should have used Tor for all of your connections here.

Can passwords be intercepted? Yes. That is trivial, this site doesn't even use SSL.

deacon's picture

you weren't aware?

that the fed offered for a low,low price,you and everyone else
computer and data backup
See now don't you feel better knowing the fed has your back,and your data?
no need for worry about that pesky computer crash or virus

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

Michael Nystrom's picture

I'm not sure what you mean by "safe."

However, FOR THE RECORD, the Daily Paul has never received any requests from the NSA or law enforcement about any user data. As a result, the DP has never given any such information out.

But as many people on this thread have pointed out, if you're on the internet, you have an internet footprint. You are being tracked. A quick Google search of "cepivon" reveals that you (or someone using that username) has an account on YouTube, Twitter, Forbes, JustinTV, etc.

That search took me 1 second, and those are just the sites displayed on the first page of the search. One more second as I click to the second page reveals that you also have an account at Ron Paul Forums. So it is a high probability that this 'cepivon' is you.

Again, I don't know what you mean by "safe." Are your passwords here secure? Yes, the software that the DP is built on is known for good security, and we've never been hacked.

But even if your account were hacked, what could they see? All of your posts and comments are already public! The one bit of information they could get would be your email address. But that could be gotten at any number of other sites you frequent / have accounts at.

So to answer your question as best I can - you're as safe here as you are anywhere else on the internet.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.


Take this as just some friendly info.

Drupal's core is indeed very secure, however the third-party modules are not. The core goes through intensive community testing and to my knowledge, has never been compromised. However, the third-party modules are a whole 'nother story. As you know very well, the DP is often flagged as containing malicious code by Google. The reason, while innocent, is the site's heavy use of third-party modules. It's these modules which cause you trouble. I know the backstory and that it's ad providers, but the concept remains... modules can be trouble. I don't know of a good solution because even if Jon rolled new modules himself, they'd still have issues. He's only one person.

Also, see my above comment about SSL encryption. Because this site does not utilize SSL with a third-party certificate, all communications to and from your web server are HIGHLY insecure. This means, when you login, your user/pass is transmitted in an insecure fashion. I do not know how Drupal encodes the text, but usually non-encrypted traffic is hashed or in plain-text. A packet sniffer or NSA "prism" could very easily gain access to not only my account, but yours or Jon's. In fact, if we use the same password on DP as (insert web service here) then you can assume that any account is compromised that uses that password. The first thing hackers will try are your known passwords... because people use the same password for everything generally.

I'm sure you don't need my help to remedy the SSL cert but I will if you do. Again, I don't know what you can do about the third-party modules except to only use very reputable modules.

Michael Nystrom's picture

p.s. Ask Snowden

Snowden did not elaborate on when he would reveal more information, but said, "the reality is this: if an NSA, FBI, CIA, DIA, etc., analyst has access to query raw SIGINT databases, they can enter and get results for anything they want. Phone number, email, user id, cell phone handset id (IMEI), and so on -- it's all the same."

SIGINT refers to "Signals Intelligence," or the collected communciations data.

He said the restrictions to getting such data is "policy-based, not technically based, and can change at any time."


All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.
deacon's picture

If they haven't contacted the DP

are you insinuating we need to try harder?? ;)

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

Why Would They Need Your DP Password?

They only need to click on your name to see a list of your posts. All they need is to figure out your IP Address and they can get your exact location and likely access to your computer.

I just dont care anymore

Who cares? Why would you care? The state is going to do whatever the it wants to. If it wants to destroy you it will.

It's not legitimate! Non of the laws are legitimate. Non of the Crime Enforcement officers are legitimate. None of the vast crime enforcement apparatus is legitimate. Why should we be afraid?

There are plenty of other criminals who steal your information all the time. Hackers, identity thrives, etc... Why live in fear that the government is going to hurt you. They are just as likely to as any other criminal.

"OH MY GOD, THE GOVERNMENT COLLECTS ALL MY INFORMATION!!" The government is responsible for the illegal murder, kidnapping, theft, enslavement and 1000 other things that are 1000 times worse then the invasion of your privacy. And guess what. They aren't going to stop. Not the murder, not the snooping.


I don't care either.

I don't care either.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Your comment...

as it stands...

"I don't care either."

...juxtaposes strikingly against your RP quote.

Did by chance you mean something like "I am not afraid."?

correct, I'm not scared.

correct, I'm not scared.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Even or Odd, you call it in the air.

http://youtu.be/J36k8rXKp8s NEADS Tapes: "Phantom Flight 11 Call" on 9/11. 1 minute.

Thanks to confusion expanding & accelerating faster than the speed of light, we are all safe now as we are ever going to be. Cheers!

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

I'm pretty sure everything we

I'm pretty sure everything we do is being collected. I think that is why a couple weeks ago I got a suspicious email from "Samuel Adams" titles "hit list" with names, numbers, and addresses of all the "traitors" in the senate and house. And there apparently was a follow up email that clarified it was indeed a hit list. But the fact it was sent to only pro liberty and pro 2nd amendment people tells me it was targeted fishing.

Anybody else get this email?

Your password here is not necessary...

for you to be specifically identified and surveilled. Your identity(name, house address, etc.) can be surmised simply as you created this post [same as my identity in posting this comment] through cross-referencing time, IP addresses, MAC addresses, etcetera.

SteveMT's picture

We are already well known to them.

Every contribution ever made to Ron Paul,
Every Ron Paul video ever viewed,
Every gun/ammo purchase ever made,
Every piece of silver ever purchased,
Every box of storable food ever obtained, and
Every Liberty meeting ever attended.

The Daily Paul, even with the best encryption possible, would be a moot point compared to what they already know.

If it can be made, it can be broken

there is no question that the DP is on "the list" but the question is how have you been representing yourself here? Have you been using anger and frustration to get your opinions across, or are you collecting your thoughts and putting out positive spins on the not-so-positive issues?

Since they are watching we should take this opportunity to shine the LIGHT of TRUTH in their EYE.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

henry9's picture

It has been said many times...

If you are not on a watch list, you are not trying hard enough!

At this point I have given up caring. Watch and see what happens next.

The beginning is quickening!