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The Elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about

The Bell Tolls for the ‘New Majority’


By Patrick J. Buchanan

...But the existential crisis of the GOP, from which it has turned its eyes away since George H.W. Bush, is demography.

Yet the matter cannot be avoided now, for it is on page one.

“White Numbers Shrink,” was the headline on the lead story in USA Today. “More Whites Dying Than Being Born,” blared The Wall Street Journal. What does this mean?

In political terms, this is depressing news for the Republican Party. For nearly 90 percent of all Republican votes in presidential elections are provided by Americans of European descent.
Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.

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I remember at Ron Paul rallies seeing Asians, African Americans

whites, etc.

He didn't seem to have a big problem drawing a diverse crowd - especially on his campus tour.

no doubt about it, and all of

no doubt about it, and all of us welcomed and enjoyed the company of everyone there supporting the cause.

however, it would be foolish to bury your head in the sand and pretend not to realize that the financial and voting support of RP was overwhelmingly white and male, as the libertarian as well as gop has always been. and that the percentage of immigrants or even minorities participating in the GOP primary was probably shy of 1%, and probably shy of 3 % for RP supporters.

and as much as the tea party likes to trot out its token african american, and get a photo op with him, we should not emulate that by over stating, for whatever reason, the participation of immigrants or minorities in libertarian or small government politics. we should welcome everyone, but not pander, or pretend.

also, if ron paul had been less shy on the immigration issue, and spoke what are probably his true feelings - shut it down until the welfare state is abolished - he would have had fewer college campus crowds. it was the focus on legalizing drugs, ending the war, etc., that drew the crowds, not all of whom were necessarily supporters. tons of obama voters probably attended these rallies out of pure interest, and cheered when they agreed.

anyway im done spreading insidious reason for the night.


Here's how to win non-black minorities

Before listining to a biggot like Buchannon, why not listin to a minority (Indian, to be precise) libertarian's suggestion?


I read it. Not convinced.

It is not the race of the immigrant that is threatening. It is the culture and economic status.

We all know how this will turn out. At best, the Republicans will never get more than 40% of this vote, best case, without becoming democrats. It will become harder and harder to win a national election.

And I might add that it is my understanding that most Republicans would accept Amnesty for those already here in exchange for real border control and orderly immigration. But that isn't good enough is it?

What we are really talking about here is not 10 million, but ultimately 50 million or 100 million, which is the real goal. they want a permanent shift in the political balance. And we both know the borders will remain open.

I guess that makes me racist. If so, so be it. But this is a libertarian site and that is what I am. So i want an immigration policy that supports my political philosophy, not one that destroys it.

exactly. in ideological

exactly. in ideological terms, people think its consistent to be libertarian and open borders. but in practical reality, the one is going to absolutely destroy the other. as if there weren't enough pressures against classical liberalism outside of demographics, we have to add 50 to 100 million poor people from a dozen cultures, none of which have the vaguest idea of individualism in culture or politics, or limited government, many coming from places that have NEVER had market economies.


This grouping of minorities and immigrants into monolithic voting blocks is just another form of collectivism. People are individuals. The reason minorities don't vote for our people now is that they associate us and our ideas with biggotry. We need to erase that. If we can do that we can break the liberal monolith. We just gotta make the case that liberty is in their best interest. It's what made America the country that they wanted to move to.

It's all about aceptance and education. We can do this!!!

anyway, ur boy makes my point

anyway, ur boy makes my point for me

"For example, more than 85 percent of Asian Indians voted for Barack Obama, and 65 percent generally vote Democratic even though they are the richest minority in the country, have strong families and low welfare use. Clearly, the problem is not with immigrants, as Salam and other conservatives suggest, but the GOP itself."

he just spins it with some hate/blame whitey.

the correct spin, of course, is that these ethnic groups are so committed to their identity politics and aligning themselves against the majority on a visceral emotional level - that they vote against their own economic interests in order to support displacing and dispossessing the majority culture and population. it is out of a resentment and hostility toward the Americans that even wealthy immigrants sacrifice their personal economic interests to vote in solidarity with the poorer immigrants, and support the welfare state, open borders, affirmative action, et al.

This resides in the social acceptance portrayed by...

Democrats versus Republicans.

lols nice troll w the

lols nice troll w the spelling and everything

Rothbard:It seems clear,


It seems clear, then, that the regime of open borders that exists de facto in the U.S. really amounts to a compulsory opening by the central state, the state in charge of all streets and public land areas, and does not genuinely reflect the wishes of the proprietors.


"Immigration Is The Viagra Of The State"—A Libertarian Case Against Immigration



Quote: "The Elephant in the

Quote: "The Elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about"

B.S. this is what everyone is talking about!

Larry in North Carolina
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to not support Ron Paul!

maybe on msnbc to gloat, def

maybe on msnbc to gloat, def not on dp or other libertarian sites. kind of the third rail ive noticed..


Its 911

I don't know about you, but I'm definitely noticing an increase in the 911 Graffiti around my AO

The truth is growing bolder...

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

if you can picture a guy on a

if you can picture a guy on a treadmill running at 20 mph while he runs 5 mph, with the area behind the treadmill called "political oblivion"

that is how you should see the libertarian who advocates open borders and immigration.

you can't convert 1%, let alone 100%, of the new voters who arrive by the tens of thousands every year with no interest whatsoever in your ideals.

how stupid can people be?

Legalization/decriminalization of marijuana...

would be very popular among minorities - even particularly popular with immigrants from Mexico. As a matter of fact, I believe legalization would improve the Mexican economy and remove much of the unnecessary overhead from the marijuana trade thereby reducing illegal immigration to some degree.

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We didn't die...

We just didn't vote!

Don't make us do it again.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

in case you forgot . . . . . . .

the GOP cheated .



This is all that is talked about all day long in the mainstream. They can't wait.

If you think the minorities are going to be nice to all you white people out there, think again.

Pat, the old non libertarian

Pat, the old non libertarian wing of the party just needs to go join the statists in the other party, while the civil libertarian, disenfranchised progressive wing of the other party needs to join us libertarians in the GOP. Then the political division will be as it should be, authoritarians vs libertarians, mean people vs good people.

When that happens, we win, and we win big, because Americans are by and large good people.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein


Lets see what the Republican Party is about. During the 2012 GOP Presidential debates most of the candidates treated brown people like shit, hates gays, outright would not let Gary Johnson debate, and tried to ignore the ONLY SANE voice in that bigoted bunch in Ron Paul. Then in the primary season they commited election fraud and rigged the voting machines. Then at their convention they F.U.C.K.ED Ron Paul's delegates. My question to you why should I as a Libertarian Party member ever work with or vote for that Bigoted Nazi Party? SORRY I GOT MORE MORALS THAN THAT, I LIBERTARIAN! I recommend that the non racists Republicans come join the Libertarian Party, and let the GOP burn in hell! They are a party of bigots war mongrels and racist! If Hitler was alive today he should be proud of the GOP social agenda!

lol 'war mongrels.' you

lol 'war mongrels.' you bumbling fool. hey how much can i pay u to never go within 1 mile of a voting booth? moneybomb!

yea i said it.

Perry, Rick the bigot Santourum, Mrs. Bigot Michele Bockman, pizza man Herman Cain, and Romney were all pro war. How can you call me a fool ? Ron was the only sane voice in that bunch. Ther is not many in that Nazi party that are pro peace like Ron Paul!

oh I forgot....

That Ron Paul is not really Republican. He only used the party to get elected because people like you only vote for the 2 parties. That why Ron is a life member of the Libertarian Party NOT the Nazi Republican Party.

Do you think "progressives" would join libertarians?

What will we win in union with the "progressives"?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just trying to understand this potential alliance you refer to.
It is my understanding that progressive's are statist's who pretty much despise libertarianism.
We might agree on domestic spying. We might agree on foreign intervention. But what else would we agree on?

I feel we we have a better chance of slowly pealing off support from the right wing of the GOP than the left wing of the DEM party. I talk to republicans every day who are now totally skeptical about the perpetual wars and weary of the NSA and domestic spying. I think we are experiencing a bit of a metamorphosis within certain elements of the GOP.

None of the left within the DEM party will ever abandon their nominee over civil liberties or foreign policy. They are just too committed to big government to every do that.

We (or at least I) agree with

We (or at least I) agree with many progressives on the need to end the fascistic government/corporate alliance that dominates the western world. We agree that the MIC directing foreign policy, big Ag owning the USDA, big Pharma owning the FDA, big Banking owning the treasury and the Fed - we agree that this sort of new fascism must end. We just disagree on how to go about doing it, with libertarians favoring reducing or even completely eliminating the power of government and progressives favoring the "just get the right guys in government" approach.

The Obama experience is waking some progressives to the fact that their favored approach isn't working, and we should use this as an opportunity to reach out to them, as kindred spirits, but as libertarians who believe that the only way to stop the growth of fascism is to handcuff the power of government.

But, in order to get them on board, especially the youngsters, we will need to kick the mean people to the curb. I include in the mean people, those who demand that the privilege of marriage not be extended to gays and those who want to continue locking up drug users. We will also need to, not give up on, but deprioritize the elimination of the welfare state.

I'm not saying we give up on converting neocons too, just that we're foolish to give up on progressives, many of whom we have MUCH more in common than the John McCains and Lindsey Grahams and Rick Santorums of the GOP.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

Why does it have to be the one or the other?

How about we stop defining people based on their membership in certain groups and treat them as individuals?

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Because the Dem or the Rep always wins.

only two choices.

because they are both

because they are both individuals and members of groups.

OT but

Are you from Alabama? :)

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie