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Luke 8:17 "For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known..."

Luke 8:17 For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Job 12:22 He reveals the deep things of darkness and brings utter darkness into the light.

Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

Luke 12:2 The time is coming when everything that is covered up will be revealed, and all that is secret will be made known to all.

Snowden is doing God's work.

NOTE to the anti-faith crowd: Don't waste your time telling me the word of God is irrelevant, misused etc. I have been cured of cancer -- no doctors/hospitals.
My wife has been cured of Hep-C - no doctors/hospitals.
I have been delivered from financial ruin - no advisors, loans etc.
My God delivered us from these afflictions - just to name a few.



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Numbers 15:32-36 King James

Numbers 15:32-36
King James Version (KJV)
32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.

I did some yardwork this past Saturday... When should I expect Snowden to come around to stone me to death?

Praise GOD

Amen to your testiment of our Lord's mercy and GLORY!

Understand your point

Definitely all things hidden will be disclosed. And I know that God is allowing these dark and hidden things to be revealed so we can get a glimpse of what is really going on. However, I wouldn't say that Snowden is doing God's work. Satan is definitely using people to do their evil work and he turns around and destroy them when he's done with them. So I don't know if Snowden's doing God's work, but definitely things are coming out to destroy people's trust in authority and government. I think it is to all to pave way for what is going to happen, the coming of the Anti-Christ. When people's faith in all the institution is destroyed, then they are open to a "new" and "better" institution. And all these must happen prior to the return of Christ!

Might

Might we only phrase it differently? That Snowden is being used by God to do His work? Not that Snowden knowingly is, but that God being sovereign is working in and through, even the evil of this world to accomplish many good deeds.

seems like the NSA has

taken this as their motto

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

What happens if ye know the truth? We can never be deceived again. We can know who the real threats are. We can know how to protect ourselves.

What would happen if PRISM or something even better was recording EVERYTHING and we had access to the information streamed over the internet for everyone to utilize? Every criminal could be brought to Justice, Every threatening troop movement in the world could be known in real time. Every disgusting corrupt bureaucrat and "religious" figure with an appetite for child sex slaves could be found. What could good people do with a tool that or beyond PRISM at our finger tips. Maybe technology could remove every secret there is and criminals could no longer get away with deceptions or lies or conspiracy. We could know every transaction on the planet and know who funding the terrorist. What if everyone had equal access to an All seeing eye technology. Would good people finally prevail over the wicked?

Food for thought here. Imagine the implications for the criminals who conspire to control us. Can the complete and total truth about EVERYTHING set us free?

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Sure we can be decieved again and again

One sin the Devil is not guilty is laziness.

You know, if every single

You know, if every single government employee, from post man to president, if every single bankster, 'defense' contractor, general, police officer, congressman, etc, etc, had to submit to the same scrutiny the rest of do, I'd be ok with it. Because you can't have oppressive government in bright sunlight.

But once you have a class of people who can keep secrets and the rest of us can't, then tyranny is sure to follow.

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” William Pitt

Troll

Voting down because this might as well be a troll post.

The only reason I can think that someone would open up a post starting with 4 arbitrary statements from the Bible is simply to troll Christians and Atheists (and everyone in between) on the Daily Paul.

Listen, I consider Ron Paul to be one of the greatest people I have come to know (I am sure I will discover more in time, but I have much respect for the man and what he has done.) and he is a devote Christian.

However, the MAJORITY of his arguments consisted of logic, and not quotes from the holy book. (Although I do believe he made a case about gold using a bible reference).

So, I am glad you enjoy your religion, but please I don't want to hear about it. This is exactly why you have the angry Atheists making Anti Jesus pics on the net.

Oh also, Snowden is NOT doing God's work, because this quote from the book of the Flying Spaghetti Monster spells it out exactly how it is:

"The monster of spaghetti saw Snowden, handed him a plate of dill pickle chips, and showed him the mysteries of the universe fueling his current actions."

See how your post can seem stupid?

So what you're

So what you're saying is, people who have a right to share their religious opinions with each other should just keep it to themselves? Isn't this sort of anti liberty?

There are a lot of Christians that are members here. This post isn't about insulting Atheists. It's a message that Christians resonate with and might want to discuss. We don't care if you want to discuss it with us or not. You're entitled to your beliefs, but remember that without God, there is NO truth, no right, no wrong, only personal preference. If that's all there is, what has someone who started this thread done wrong? Not aligned with your preferences?

As for your spaghetti monster quote, the differences are mild but let's look at them.

1) what historians agree that the spaghetti monster existed?

2) What eye witnesses recorded what the spaghetti monster said?

3) Where is the philosophical coherency and experiential relevancy of your spaghetti monster's scriptures and how do you bring them to bear on these current events topics?

4) How many people do you know that have actually had conversion experiences based on the history, philosophical consistency and experiential relevance of the Spaghetti Monster? None.

So... who is the troll? I think it's plainly you. Feel free to disagree. Your posts are welcome here on the daily paul, because we're all FREE here! My suggestion honestly is for you to read Luke, John, Acts and Romans, pray to God for a few months and watch him work in your life. Peace.

anyways

agreed.. and I get a sense that Snowden isn't exactly a bible carrying type of guy.. just a guy that wants to expose some problems...

I'm not a Christian and I

I'm not a Christian and I thought it was a good post.

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” William Pitt

Er

"So, I am glad you enjoy your religion, but please I don't want to hear about it."

So don't click on it if you don't want to hear about it.
I forgo clicking on MANY titles here on DP.
I don't go in and poop on others' free speech/free thought.

"See how your post can seem stupid?

You want to spread the good

You want to spread the good news, pick an appropriate forum.

Stop polluting the DP.

I don't want to hear about

I don't want to hear about how Sandy Hook was fake but instead of telling people to "pick an appropriate forum" I simply make fun of them.

Sorry, on a forum about "liberty" you don't get to limit topics posted.

Can we at least stay on topic

Can we at least stay on topic about Liberty? And not use sayings from a Dusty Old Tome to back up our arguments?

Also, if you actually read in context to those arguments, you will notice I am against MODERATOR CENSORSHIP of topics on this forum.

It is quite alright to disagree with a post, which is exactly what I am doing, it isn't alright to delete and alter other peoples words abusing moderator abilities.

So no, two different topics. Also note, I did not ONCE ask for a MODERATOR to delete this post. I merely spoke my mind.

Nice try though.

That dusty old tome

Is pretty much the basis for all natural law. Without at least some over arching moral law and law giver, no moral law could exist and no "rights" could either. There is this other dusty old tome called the constitution that outlines the "rights" of people based on logical ideas extrapolated from another dusty old tome, the Declaration of independence. Now I know, you're an atheist and you're a good person and you don't need no God to give you no morality! But what law do you appeal to to tell people that they have rights, that the governments actions are wrong etc? Do you appeal to the Constitution? That's just paper if there is no natural law, and natural law is just a figment of people's imaginations if there is no God.

Truth Bomb Go Boom

A tough truth for people to accept but dead on my friend.

We are staying on the topic

We are staying on the topic of liberty. The topic was liberty as it relates to religion. If anything we should have more topics on that subject.

You want to spread the BAD

You want to spread the BAD news, pick an appropriate forum.

Stop polluting the DP.

I actually consider the BAD

I actually consider the BAD news being the news of God's slavery and ownership of your soul.

So, could I argue that you are spreading the bad news then?

My point is, if you are going to make posts with a logical argument, try actual logic to back them up.

agreed

You try the same!

It is Easier to Follow Man, Rather Than God

It is understandable how a well meaning person can come to the wrong conclusions about out of context statements. I know - it happens to me.

This is a common problem with Bible Thumpers (it takes one to know one). They (we?) take verses out of context and tell you that you would not be following God unless you lived by their desired interpretation. Upon hearing these proclamations, many people would just turn red and have nothing to say because they do not see the fallacy. They might also avoid the genius Bible speaker in the future.

I see those "truth" scriptures differently than most people, but I would not try to impose my understanding on anyone else because I have not done an intensive study on the issue.

Here is my belief about the idea that all truth will be known (don't use this).

It has nothing to do with getting revenge or satisfaction from watching the big guy tear apart our enemies.

Knowing truth means knowing God. All truth will be known AFTER Jesus returns because the Bible describes God as truth. According to my interpretation, we will have nothing but problems until Jesus returns. It is our job to spread the good news in the meantime and to be a good example by living accordingly.

Gene Louis
http://www.survivaloftheslickest.com/
Supporting a Needed Tool for Government Feedback:
A Citizen-Operated Legal System.

I agree, that people can

I agree, that people can interpret different verses to mean different things. I also agree that ( even looking at different denominations ) there are many grey areas that not all Christians can agree on what a certain portion of text means.

Also, I respect the fact you believe that, in short, God is truth.

What I don't understand is how someone could throw up a post that is screaming Trollbait on the DP and expect it to be taken seriously.

From an Agnostic perspective, (yes I am using labels for simplicity only) it is very irritating to see religion seep through on this site. Simply because religion was used SO MUCH against Doctor Paul in the election Campaign, and also used to propagate lies about the drug war, etc etc.

There are various other examples, but ultimately this post screams of troll. And honestly, I could have been the first real "bite" who knows.

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Logic?

"So, I am glad you enjoy your religion, but please I don't want to hear about it. This is exactly why you have the angry Atheists making Anti Jesus pics on the net."

You are not glad this gentleman enjoys his religion because you rudely mock his belief system, by calling who he worships a "flying spaghetti monster".

You also did not "hear" about it. You mad a personal decision to read about it. Which takes free will, so if you decided to read it, you actually wanted to know about it.

Try not to use the word logic for a couple more years.

And when at all possible lay off the dick head soup for lunch:)

THE CLASS OF CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE AT ONCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEIR OWN RAIMENT, MAY BE VIEWED AS THE MOST TRULY INDEPENDENT AND HAPPY.
James Madison

What if I do believe in the

What if I do believe in the Spaghetti Monster?

Then you are now insulting my religion. Does that make you are a dick too?

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well

it depends if he's flying or not?

THE CLASS OF CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE AT ONCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEIR OWN RAIMENT, MAY BE VIEWED AS THE MOST TRULY INDEPENDENT AND HAPPY.
James Madison

"Thou nay sayeth the Monster

"Thou nay sayeth the Monster filled with Spaghetti goodness will receive 20 lashings."

Repent, and be cleansed from your sins.

never read a Bible verse

We must be careful taking a single verse out of context or using it to prop up our own opinion.

I want to go through each verse you mentioned and offer what I see as the context when I read the whole chapter...

In Luke 8 Jesus tells the parable of the sower, the metaphor of the lamp being hidden, calms a storm, heals the man posessed by the many demons (Legion), and the sick woman who touched his cloak and was healed by her faith. And he raised a dead girl from the dead.

So a lot going on. Your quoted verse (17) falls just after the parable of the sower and during the metaphor of someone lighting a lamp and then covering it up.

Is it possible that Christ is speaking about the true faith of an individual (refering to the sower parable) or refering to the Truth and mysteries of GOD being made known to those who truly believe?

Could it be that he is referencing the final judgement to come at rhe end of the age and the true faith of an individual will be made known?

There are multiple possibilities to consider - please think and pray before attatching a random verse to modern day events.

The OP may be correct and may be wrong, but always use caution when declaring something not directly related to Christ as GOD's work.

More to come...

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."

If you wish to find God's work

seek Truth(literally, look this word up in the Bible)

I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life

I would make the argument that after looking up all the references to truth in the Bible, you will find, anyone exposing truth is doing God's work.