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So, now the NSA is up to fifty? ROFL

USA TODAY - WASHINGTON — National Security Agency Director Keith Alexander told a House committee Tuesday that more than 50 terror threats throughout the world have been disrupted with the assistance of two secret surveillance programs that were recently disclosed by former defense contractor Edward Snowden.


I call bullshit.

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Can someone do some math for us?

I would like to see:

Find all 50 (cough-cough) cases.
Assign a maximum death toll to each of them in worst case scenario.
Tally up those deaths.
Compare them to every other 'evil' we face in our everyday lives.

I'm guessing at maximum, it probably compares with rooftop pool drownings or unicycle suicides or something similar.

From there, we can then pare it down by doing things like refuting the number back to 14 or the one I trust (FOUR) and begin using realistic death tolls like 1/10th of the original maximum. I'm just looking for perspective.

I don't want this style of

I don't want this style of government safety.


1. Could these crimes have been stopped without such broad surveillance?

2. Why are the call records of millions of Americans required to prevent fifty crimes?

Both these questions are important regardless of their mostly dubious and unproven claims.


You just NAILED the crux of the issue right here.


The trials?

Assuming, which I think is safe, that the media would cover any thwarted terrorists plots resulting in formal charges being filed we can conclude one of two things from these revelations:
1) members of the intelligence community are talking brazen lies to Congress and the people it represents or
2) we have arrested and detained individuals suspected of conspiring to commit murder in 50 separate instances without filing any formal charges or giving said suspects their due process.

Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!


Then where are the perps they were caught?

Were the perps prosecuted?

Are they in jail?

Prove to me that over fifty plots were stopped because I don't believe it.

Whenever the ignorance alphabet agencies foil a plot they normally stand up with the politicians to take credit for such fine work...but in these cases they did not?

Prove it.

And you know how hard it is

And you know how hard it is for a federal prosecutor to win a case.

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By Friday

the number will stand at 2 million.

150 million jobs will be lost

150 million jobs will be lost if NDAA doesn't pass!

Southern Agrarian

How scripted is it?

Q: Do you have the ability...?

A: We do not have that authority!


Q: Can you flip a switch and...? [W?T?F?]

A: No!


Strange [not!] how the USA Today video and article did not identify the man asking Alexander the questions, the man who didn't follow up with the distinction between "ability" and authority", the man who asked an idiotic "flip a switch" question, the man who is clearly a douchebag patsy...

They NEED "terrorism" to justify their pillaging and control

There is no question in my mind that the CIA and other government agencies are the "terrorists".

My biggest concern is when the people FINALLY wake up and realize that there is no boogieman out to get us...that the government will "prove" that "terrorism" is a real threat by nuking an American city or spreading a biological weapon.

People need to ask, WHO BENEFITS?

Well, thats not surprising,

Well, thats not surprising, since broad laws can make anyone a terrorists, and no doubt any THING a terrorist plot, like the conspiracy to speak your mind......those darn freedom loving terrorists

My point, dont give numbers, if trust is what you seek, IF you seek, give the people unrestricted access to said claims, so people know your not claiming a suspicious jay walking as a "terrorist plot", and that you didnt call the person over from accross the road to begin with, or that you used force a particular "tricky time" because diplomacy was just too "inconvinient"

I hear NSA and intelligence

I hear NSA and intelligence employees get off listening in on womens conversations talking about their yeast infections and that sort of thing. If women only knew how vulnerable they are in their most private moments.

The NSA is literally a giant

The NSA is literally a giant forcefield of good protecting me in my office right now from over 10,000 jihadists and right wing extremists. So 10,000 per day x (number of days NSA has been operating) = ?

Southern Agrarian

Twenty bucks says it will be

Twenty bucks says it will be at 100 by the end of the week.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Obama wants in on that bet.....

Put him down for thirty (30) pieces of silver.....

If you can read this thank a teacher. Because it's in English thank a soldier!

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
- Alexis de Tocqueville

sorry....double tap.... ..

maybe I should apply for a drone operator job....

If you can read this thank a teacher. Because it's in English thank a soldier!

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
- Alexis de Tocqueville

O/U for over 100? Put me down

O/U for over 100?
Put me down for 50 shekels

Southern Agrarian

Thats to funny.

Couldn't nab the Boston bombers. I think they only caught Gen. Petraus so far.

Money talks and dogs bark

Not true!

They caught Bin Laden by tracking how much time he spent calling the "islamic terrorist hotline" to order his delivery of 72 virgins.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein