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I agree with Jesse Ventura 99% of the Time, But This is a Deal breaker for me

I have been following Jesse Ventura for quite some time and think he is amazing. I think he makes great points and I agree with him on 99% of the time. I hope he does make a run in 2016 and get into the debates, but there is one thing I fear about him and I strongly disagree with. That being his view to reinstate the draft.

Jesse has stated that he used to oppose the draft but now does not due to the countless wars and the American People not pressuring the government as much since little johnny is not forced to fight in a war via the draft like in Vietnam.

I can understand Jesse's point of view as having a draft would have the American public much more engaged in war decisions as they risk getting forced to fight in wars.

Although I agree this might have an effect, the principle of reinstating the draft is frighting, unpatriotic (forcing people rather the having people want to defend our nation), and is a form of slavery.

Ron Paul, Alex Jones, and other liberty minded individuals have strongly opposed the draft. Also, Ron Paul has warned about the draft coming back due to our countless wars and I am beginning to fear that this may happen if Russia or China get involved in wars that we start such as with Iran and Syria.

Don't get me wrong I strongly support most of those our military and believe that the volunteer force is the best trained and most patriotic group of men and woman on this planet. I even have family in the military and fear for their lives every day fighting these senseless and banker funded wars.

But even with Jesse's reasoning, until he can clarify his views as he has not talked about it in awhile during interviews with people such Alex Jones, and on mainstream television I cannot give Jesse my support if he runs in 2016.

Furthermore, if he runs in 2016 I cannot and will not support him if he supports the draft in any way, shape or form. Like I said I agree with him on 99% of his views, but being liberty minded, and antiwar, I cannot endorse Jesse if he continues to support the draft. If he gets elected I will be very fearful for my friends, myself, family, and other Americans if he still stands on reinstating the draft.

I am hoping he will be more clear on this issue if he decides to run. However, I will vow never to vote for anybody, even if I agree with them on most things if they support the reinstatement of the draft as its an automatic deal breaker for me.

Here is a video with him supporting it around the 2.10 minute mark


http://youtu.be/OiySHFjOuo8

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In a way we still have the

In a way we still have the draft. When I work and 25% of my money is forcibly taken from me it means that for 3 Months out of the year I am a slave to the Federal Government so they can use that money to pay for war.

Or they devalue the money I have so in a way the money in my account is clandestinly stolen from me to pay for war.

Politicans know the draft would be political suicide so they now have roundabout means such as using Blackwater and more tours for our 'voluntary' military force. Jesse is making the point that if we just cut to the chase and made people experience the true cost of war we would be less apathetic.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

Ummm.....Fine, except you are making a giant leap into silly

Your 1% of disagreement is completely without any solid reasoning. Methinks you are just anti-Jesse. Let's use a silly thing called logic.

If Jesse was running for president, or was elected president, he would stop the wars as Commander in Chief. He would never institute the draft. He was saying that a draft would expedite the end of the genocide in the Middle East. And, I must say, I agree. It wouldn't end it immediately, but it might last only 5 years instead of another 15.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Draft pointed in the wrong direction

I would go another direction with regards to a draft.

Military service required for all able bodied persons prior to attending any College/University if that College/University receives any funding from the government.

Those who are not able, or who for religious reasons can not participate can replace military service with civil service.

Make it a mandatory part of the admissions process. Mandatory for the schools as part of accepting government money. No one can attend that school unless they have served in some capacity. Draft the schools, not the individuals.

This way no one is required to participate. Even schools can opt out by not taking any government funds.

Make it a two for four. 2 years active (+6 IRR) for 4 years of schooling.

The military can stop spending any money on recruitment and that money can pay for school, either replacing or significantly reducing the cost of education for participants. The GI Bill could still be used for advanced degrees, or additional schooling.

Many social scientists

Many social scientists believe that having a population with many military-trained members had many benefits. Primarily, it breaks down barriers: CEOs and poor people, white and black, north and south, etc. all serve together and end up understanding each other. They then go back home and realize and are more willing to work with others. They are used to working hard, working under stress, and dealing with pressure.

They are more cultured, having spent time in other parts of the world. They have more discipline. They are trained in arms and can act as in a civilian capacity to deter crime.

Politically, they know the "horrors" of war and are less willing to blindly support it. They have more patriotism and are more willing to "give-back" to their country. Simply by being less sheltered, they are more easily able to interact with people of different backgrounds. Etc. etc.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

I tend to agree with Jesse

I tend to agree with Jesse Ventura on a mandatory draft, The advantage of the mandatory draft is that if any politician and or president chooses to bring us into any war or military action, their children would also be at risk, which should limit the need for unjustified wars such as Iraq, Syria, Etc.....

We also have to bring the war power act back to where it belongs with the Congress, not a police action that a President brings us into which results in war

the children of politicians and other wealthy, influential . . .

people are rarely at risk from the draft; they know how to get deferments--

I know; I was there--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Sounds like you were not a

Sounds like you were not a Fortunate Son...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ScisGFllPY

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

The point can be made that

The point can be made that many people who join the military, even if "voluntarily", are kind of like "slaves". They do it because there is no other thing they can do; they are criminals, or they come from poor backgrounds; the military is how they can get ahead in life. Also, they are often seduced by less-than-honest recruiters and society's promotion of the military as glamarous.

Moreover, once they actually join the military, they are expected to be drones. They are indoctrinated into certain ways of thinking. Their humanity degrades. They are forced for more and more tours of duty, etc.

A dumb person puts a gun to your head and forces you to do something. A smart person engineers it so that you have no options left but to do that one thing...and then frames it as "he's making his own choice".

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

Someone should alert Jesse to

Someone should alert Jesse to the fact that compulsory national service is nothing short of slavery.

And it's not the fact that we don't have a draft that disconnects people from the war. It's the fact that Wars are paid for by inflation by the Fed and indirect taxes instead of direct taxes. If people paid directly for wars, there would be a far larger anti-war sentiment.

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I wholly support drafting the supporters of a war to fight it.

Citizens who endorse a war ought to solely be the ones who fight and pay for it. No exemptions!

yes--

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it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

completely disagree with a draft--

Something is wrong here.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

jesse wants an anti-war movement

this is probably the only way to get one.

I would like to believe your first line--

but this is the worst possible way to get an anti-war movement--

even if it works, just more dead kids--

(and civilians)

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

what do you think

of this recent comment. i up-voted it without hesitation.

I wholly support drafting the supporters of a war to fight it.
Submitted by His American Majesty on Mon, 08/12/2013 - 07:42. Permalink

Citizens who endorse a war ought to solely be the ones who fight and pay for it. No exemptions!

do you have a better (or any)

idea for getting an anti-war movement happening like we saw in the sixties?

This is akin to saying

that the best way to get a civil liberties movement going is to abolish the Bill of Rights.

Yes, this is technically true, but is obviously the wrong way to go about it.

The ends do not justify the means.

i didn't say i agreed with it

but do a search and you'll find endless debates on whether it's constitutional or not.

i would like to see war made illegal except in cases of self defense.
of course these days we see govt perverting words to mean whatever they want them to mean.

The draft is slavery. Those

The draft is slavery. Those "debates" mean jack shit.

Read my post above. It's not the lack of a draft that disconnects people from war. It's the fact that war is paid for by the Fed through inflation instead of direct taxation. If it weren't for the Fed, people would be outraged at all the money they would be paying for the wars, and anti-war movements would be all over the place.

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they mean something

to the people who are having them.

maybe movements would be all over the place and maybe not. look at the masses who shrug when they hear they are being spied on 24/7. look at the masses who see the fat cats bailed out while they don't get dime one.

i think jesse is right that the draft would end the wars, although it wouldn't happen overnight. i like the above poster who wrote that those who support the war should be drafted.

i read some poll that stated that the majority of the american people are already tired of these wars, so where is the peace candidate?

This

is Ron Paul's solution as well. It's obviously a much more libertarian solution to the problem.

Raise everyone's income tax by additional 15% to pay for the wars; you'll quickly see an anti-war movement in no time.

raising taxes

would be a libertarian solution? hm-mm
i would like to see a source where ron paul supports raising a tax
that he would like to see abolished to end the wars.

anyways here is ron paul on wars, costs etc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4cFez7fLPI

Jesse Ventura is

controlled opposition, just like Alex Jones. Jesse was part of the Navy Underwater Demolition team, which means you are a CIA asset for life. Also, he was part of the Mongols motorcycle gang, and rose to be third in command of his chapter - and never had any problems with the police! The Mongols are comparable to the Hells Angels, and it is interesting that shortly after he left the Mongols, the Mongols began to openly fight against the Hells Angels. Anyone who exercises due diligence will understand that there is a huge conspiracy at all levels, but Jesse will never go to the top. The bankers, politicians and other public figures aren't at the top. Secret Societies are at the heart of all the conspiracies, and the true controllers of the Jesuits, Sabbateans, Frankists, Order of Malta, Zionists, Freemasons, CFR, RIIA, Trilateral Commission, Pilgrims, etc., are who we need to be exposing - but none of this focused on by Jesse and similar controlled opposition agents. To sum things up, if Jesse gets any political power again, it will be to the detriment of the people since he is part of the NWO. If someone is really interested in the TRUTH, studying the history of the Knights Templars and Jesuits would be a good start.

gimme a break...

... Just because you were a Navy Seal doesnt mean the CIA owns you for life LOL; Seals are pretty much just a more highly trained jar-head, they ain't part of some inner circle of illumanists... and you went from being part of the Mongols to the Jesuits, and everyone is controlled opposition right? gimme a break...

I also agree that Alex Jones

I also agree that Alex Jones is a plant, just like Wild Bill claimed.

His antics and "boy who cried wolf" act is perfect for harming the credibility of these conspiracy "theories."

I'm hoping Ventura is simply misled, but it's such a 180 from his usual thought process that it makes me skeptical.

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A common sense take on politics and current events.

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I agree with your first half

I don't agree with your second half.. the reason is my experience with "secret societies".. maybe if they were called PRIVACY clubs, for really, the "secrecy" was all about their belief that they don't need or want a nanny government minding their business, they didn't need or want social security, they didn't need or want corproate personhood, they didn't need or want central banking... they were INDEPENDNT, adn believed that good neighbors who stood together based on the foundation of God, political ability and privacy were how to maintain control over their own lives.. rather than fall for government control.

I asee the YouTubes against them as very misleading propeganda to turn the youth away, disabling them to reap the benefits their great grandparents had.

What is the opposite of a zionist? A globalist. If you believe Israel does not deserve to be a sovreign state, how can you calim that you should have a sovreign state, and if you don't believe in being a sovreign state, what have you got left, a global government that send foreign troops in with WMD to contrain your "free" ideas.. you become isolated.. how does that help any effort for freedom? You agaiunst the UN.. how are you going to win, no privacy, no arms, no sovreignity, educate me please.

Studying these secret societies by reading their work, and going to meetings and seeing for yourself, is a much better way to KNOW who they are and what they do then watching YouTube that programs you believe what they want you to believe.

Here's some links to MY secret society The Grange

http://www.nationalgrange.org/
The CA state Grange went Green.. and is now lost their charter,, there are what is called pomona and sibordinate granges.. but these are dying, and the truth is, we Americans are losing some of the best tools Americans ever had to suatain privacy and liberty as the smear campaign continues in the name of green and global http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/06/14/188647380/new-bl...

hmmm--

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Interesting to think about--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Doesn't matter if he supports the draft...

...Congress would never pass the necessary legislation. Additionally, Ventura is against all these pointless "wars". He is fully-aware that they are just natural resource-grabs.

A little thought goes a long way before posting...

go draft go

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Why pandas? Why now?

the draft is a terrible idea

Did we need to start up the draft and have 50,000 Americans return home in body bags to end the Iraq War sooner?

I agree with Ventura on most things but definitely not with his statements about the draft.

All those Vietnam War protestors didn't do much good for the 50,000 Americans killed in that meat grinder. You could never get anywhere near that number of casualties with a volunteer army.

I think Ventura is being sincere but in no way will a draft stop the next war. I think when the powers that be have another big, high-casualty war in the works, they're going to start pushing the draft on us, and they'll sell it as an antiwar move using arguments like the one Ventura made here.

Don't believe it for a second. They need the draft when they need more bodies for the meat grinder.

"I ain't the dying type."

Reader, writer, soldier.