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A plea to everyone to allow others now waking up to give them a chance and judge them based on their future actions, not past!

I am writing this to try and get everyone to understand that at one point most of us were not awake and needed to be woken up!

Many of us at one point believed the propaganda that we were being fed, we believed that the government would never do this to us, didn't many of you at one point?

I know I was one of those people and now it seems people are starting to wake up but aren't still totally awake but are aware their is a complete un trust in government, they lied to us!

We need to not be so quick to continue to criticize people on their past actions but judge them on their future actions, I am asking for trust but verify, not blind trust. If we are to gain traction we must grow our numbers don't we? If we are going to isolate anyone that did the wrong thing in the past doesn't this go against the grain of freedom, even if their freedom doesn't agree with our freedom? Remember at one point many believed that slavery was ok and others didn't.

All I am asking is that we be more open minded and allow others in that made mistakes or didn't agree with us in the past, people can change, I am proof of that!

Let's not be so quick to judge because of the past, let's judge on their future actions, PLEASE!

If you disagree, please tell me why, I want to understand the disagreement!

Thank you!

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Michael Nystrom's picture

While I like this post, I agree with this comment

"Beck doesn't count"

Ha ha ha.

I moved my comment to the top.

So disregard this one.

Still outnumbered

The vast majority of republicans still think that guy is an American hero :-(

I still get lectured/reamed even today, when I try to offer an alternative to beck.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I agree with your sentiments..

I was apathetic before and five years ago I wouldn't have known about most of the ideas I do now...

I'm skeptical about Glenn Beck. On the other hand there is Doug Wead, Julie Borowski, Elbert Guillory etc.

For practical purposes I wouldn't dwell on trying to convert a diehard statist with strong convictions although it is fun to debate every now and then. I would rather spend my energy with the many more that are open-minded and less conditioned. In politics that's the best strategy and in general that is the best use of time and energy...

I would still give everyone a chance no matter what they believe... we are people ... we all learn and grow...

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

I'm sort of with ya

And I'm totally with you when it comes to friends and family, in our political conversations or online debates. In any of those cases we should be OVERLY patient and forgiving of other people. We should go out of our way to accept other people into the movement regardless of 'where they are' in their understanding (or lack of) liberty and the issues or their prior actions/beliefs.
However, I get the impression that you talking about Beck or other media people. If so, I think you should change your argument. Weather or not "we" forgive those in the media, trust them, or how we judge them is rather irrelevant. If they get it, our forgiveness or trust should have no effect on their future actions and I'm sure that 99% of us would be rather pleased to have these media people prove us wrong by truly endorsing liberty in their future actions. If the media folks NEED our approval or acceptance, then it's safe to assume that they don't really "get it."
That being said, I do think "we" really need to TONE IT DOWN!! There are plenty of people that like people Beck (et al) and when we go online and trash him, we alienate those people. If we simply focus on the ISSUES we will win more people to the cause of liberty. So when Beck is saying things that we agree with we should applaud THAT (not the man). This will help us to build bridges with these audiences and they will be more likely to hear us in the future and maybe even join us completely. In other words, we need to take our personal emotions and opinions out of the media personalities or politicians and instead focus them on the issues at hand (easier said than done, I know.)

"When I say liberty I do not simply mean what is referred to as 'free enterprise.' I mean liberty of the individual to think his own thoughts and live his own life as he desires to think and to live..." - Robert A. Taft

Roger That!!

There was a man who woke up thousands of people about 2,000 years ago.

"Judge NOT, lest ye be judged.."

I really like this post and couldn't agree more!!

It is true, we were all asleep at some point. Many of us may have sounded like those who now oppose us. We've changed and so will/can they.

One thing I want to add is that no one forced my awakening. No one got in my face and tried to convince me of things I wasn't yet able to "see". It took my own will and desire to look behind the veil and jump down the rabbit hole. It is an individual, perhaps even a lonely journey. Nevertheless, it is one that is taken alone and we must remember that there will always be those that come after us that have their own journeys and rabbit holes to get through.

And, YES, we must even be appreciative of the EVIL ones who have pushed us to seek the light. Without the shadows we would not seek to light the fire in our hearts. This is a Yin Yang universe and the better we can understand that the easier it is to appreciate ALL shades, not just the black and white.

Thank you for reminding me to be humble and live by example. Much Love! Never Quit ;)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Genuine change is apparent.

So is the pied piper to those who know he changes tunes.

You don't mislead, see the light and keep leading, you go to the back of the class.

Or is this another case of "only the guys who screwed it up know how to fix it"?

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

your name implies

that regardless of the quirky comments(from others}, you seem to neverquit harangueing
keep on the good foot and allow expressions you may find biting, to simply pass . Like benjamins thru obamas fingers!
I concur with the OP and state categorically, that every set of eyes
on DP reflects said post. Now remember to never quit!

If you're talking about

Friends and family...completely agree with you.

If you're talking about media pundits and demagogues...take it some where else. They know exactly what they're doing and if they show a slight inclination to "opening their eyes" it's complete bullshit.

"If you're talking about

"If you're talking about media pundits and demagogues...take it some where else. They know exactly what they're doing and if they show a slight inclination to "opening their eyes" it's complete bullshit."
Why are media people any different than any of us? Are they smarter than you? What if they were fooled by everything they've been fed just like us? I don't accept the assumption that media people are any any smarter or well informed or more evil than the rest of us. I suggest we all treat them like the individuals they are. A wait and see attitude is less likely to drive away potential liberty converts and much more productive than attacking them, which only makes us look hostile and paranoid.

PattyFromTexas

How do you base future actions?

I think I get your sentiment.. "forgive those who have erred in the past". OK. But how I'm supposed to judge what one will do in the future.. I have no idea.

Deeds not Words,

The Granger.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Deed is a past tense, something you have done

A promise to do a deed are words.

So it's just better to not trust you then

because all you have is words. Your past deeds have been dubious at best.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Lucky for you

:D

Glenn Beck?

Is that You?

LOL!!!!!!!!!

Really did! I was thinking the same thing...

"When I say liberty I do not simply mean what is referred to as 'free enterprise.' I mean liberty of the individual to think his own thoughts and live his own life as he desires to think and to live..." - Robert A. Taft

Ha!

Made me burst out laughing!

Translation...

"Give us snakes a chance to co-opt you, please."

No....

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

lindalsalisbury's picture

Ah Ha

As this comment does not show up on your graft, and due to the history of the Richard post, I'm guessing you may be a member of the Mod Squad??? Just having a Gestalt moment - speculation is always fun.

lindalsalisbury's picture

See You're

still around.

Pardon me for sort of "stalking" your comments, but I have an appreciation of your humor and sarcasm.

How did your rabbit harvest turn out - hope it was successful. I bought 4 California's (3 females, 1 male). Unfortunately, I lost my 3 pregnant females (probably due to heat), during my trip to OK.

Love my dark Cornish game chickens. They are tougher than an old boot.

I am not spending much time here on the DP. I am interested in 3rd Party, or secession, and nobody is talking about that.

In case you ever consider south, rather than north, my phone number is 580-660-0748 if I might ever be of assistance.

How long have I been here? I

How long have I been here? I am a snake? You are exactly the problem, you eat your own, you will never advance anything other than your ego. Good luck trying to accomplish anything all by yourself!