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I'm Starting To Think Adam Kokesh Was Right

The tyranny of the government is really starting to get on my nerves. It's full on, balls to the wall tyranny in America today. Many of us are afraid to admit that fact no matter how many news articles we read. Denial is no longer in me. Everything is not fine, everything is completely messed up and upside down from the America I grew up in.

I'm sorry Adam...my apologies, you were right, I was wrong.

America is turning into the Soviet Union if we haven't noticed.

How much more tyranny can you take?

As much as we allow them to give us.

Have we reached a Breaking Point yet?

The government would never target and kill a news journalist, oh no...they only target and kill rock stars like John Lennon.

"Timing Is Everything"

Imagine if Adam Kokesh announced his plans for an armed march in WDC three weeks ago.

Takes on a new flavor, must admit.

I did not originally support Adam's idea, and now I have regrets because I passed up on an opportunity to symbolically show our own force that needs to be shown.

I feel like I have bowed down to the dark side with fear and caution by saying that an armed march is not wise because of what could..might..maybe...happen.

How things have so changed in a matter of weeks.

America is in the midst of a coup d'etat, and the coup is in maximum overdrive. What we are seeing, hearing and reading about on a daily basis is unprecedented in our history.

This is a total government takeover, no doubt about it anymore and they're doing everything in their power to make us all feel helpless.

In (short) "retrospect," an armed march in the nation's capital wasn't such a bad idea after all.

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Im glad you finally came to

Im glad you finally came to the good side

Kokesh was right, but people are just debating the tactics.

I think this government has made its bed with the furer a good while ago. Most people awake already know where we are but are not trying to be foolish about how to address it. Unless you are EXTREMELY smart, I would caution you not to do anything hasty. If Adam thinks he can mobilize for this march, I personally don't see a point stopping him or his supporters.

Government tyranny is just now "starting" to get on your nerves?

In June of 2013? Where have you been? I'm also not sure who you are referring to when you claim that "many of us" have been in "denial" and "afraid to admit" how bad the tyranny in America has become. Speak for yourself. That kind of denial has always been a minority position around here. (It took you almost 5 1/2 years as a DP member to realize that "everything is not fine" in America? Really?)

If people (e.g., any one of us, including you) are trying to make a strategic decision as to whether or not to take a particular action, such as the proposed march, it is not "bowing down to the dark side" to consider the possible outcomes ("what might happen"), the likelihood of each, and the ways said outcomes would positively or negatively affect our long-term goal of restoring and protecting liberty. That is, in fact, what any thoughtful person would do. If they then decide that it's a good idea, fine, but if not, why would anyone want to take an action that they feel has a good chance of playing right into the hands of the tyrants and undermining their own cause? Doubting the wisdom of the march on D.C. or concluding that it is a counter-productive plan does not make one a coward, bootlicker, or supporter of government tyranny who is "content with the status quo", as Kokesh has repeatedly tried to paint such people. Apparently you've bought that line and applied it to your ("former") self, but I still don't.

This is nothing new Zoo

This BS has been going on for years, decades, centuries, nothing new. If you go to any U.S. City & not respect there gun laws you are going to get arrested go to jail, prison, pay fines, lose your fire arm, become a serious felon.

I'm wondering if the scum

Is trying to pick a fight. Pushing and pushing and pushing until some patriot or patriot group loses it.

Then they can claim the moral high ground.

All these scandals and actual msn reporting on them serve two purposes.

They were losing credibility fast. It shows the "masses" " hey, look, we really are reporting the news"
AND it pisses us off because nothing is being done to change it.

Very good point, IMO.

That is their M.O. after all. Internationally, the same process is brewing. They push and push until someone pushes back, then claim the "moral high ground", even if they have to just make stuff up.

This government has de-cloaked itself from "The People", claiming "We", and suggesting anyone against "We", (i.e. "The People") are insurgents. Times are dire, and the future is uncertain.

The MSM will still (and always) beat the drums for the government, since it's not any one person, but the entity itself they work for.

As far as congress, the NSA has them covered. Expect no action from them. Those not outright corrupt, will likely be controlled through blackmail. Any that fall through those cracks won't be enough to make a difference.

How exactly does one remove a sitting president, congress, heads and shoulders of all government agencies (disbanding many of them), and remove the "continuity of government" concept from all their files in one swoop? Anything less wont get all the rot, IMO. Oh, and remove financial incentives of any kind for people in power.

I wonder how mass opinion of the 2nd Amendment will be evolving now. ;)

Just open the box and see

Traffic meltdown yesterday night

I can't believe how something like that just set me off. My poor girlfriend had to listen to the whole rant. On my way to play indoor soccer and traffic just comes to a stand still. I told her to get ready because this is just the stimulus package clogging up the freeway at 10:45 pm, and soon it will be checkpoints. It's maddening construction is everywhere. And, last night it set me off the handle.

I was just being really nasty towards my fellow countrymen and how gutless we are. As long as, the Iphone works and you have American Idol on TV all is well- right, America?

Unbelievable how 50-60yrs ago we "fought" communism and now we've become it. Way to go America, way to go!

I was telling my GF that my grandparents saw an opportunity for a freer and more prosperous life here in America. The vision is so clear that they did everything to set their children up for a better life. They shipped them here.

Yesterday, I toyed with the idea of ex-patrioting. It's sounding better and better the more I think about it. These people will not awaken quick enough. The coupe d'etat that you speak was underway with Bush 1 and is all but final. The constitution is dead.

The Declaration is all that is left.

In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.

I think we've arrived

You think we're turning into the Soviet Union?
When you've got to be careful what you say on the phone, internet, text, etc...then, I believe we've already arrived.
When they monitor "everyone" and "everything"...under the guise of looking for terrorists (oops, I said one of those bad words) then I believe we've arrived at that point of being called the USSA.
For the past ten years America and the Soviet Union (Russia) have been going in opposite directions, as they gained freedoms we've lost 'em.
When you get more honest answers from Russia's President (Putin) than you do your own...then you're there.
Remember the big fear (cold war days) that Russia was going to take over the world...guess who the world fears now...with it's pre-emptive war policy and stealth drones, its The USSA.

Turning into? In the midst of? We were the first.

The U.S.A. is not "turning into" the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was a failed attempt to turn Russia and surrounding nations into the U.S. "post-Lincoln."

Lincoln was the first communist leader of a major power. The War of Northern Aggression, aka "Civil War" was the first communist revolution, even before the term "communist" was coined or penned. The ideals were the same. The FINANCIERS were the same. (this is the nail in the coffin)

Nazi Germany, Hirohito's Japan, Mussolini's Italy the USSR and many others failed where the U.S.A., Great Britain and France succeeded - how to entrench the leviathan state under a utilitarian banner. Their secret to success? Let the People erroneously retain the vestiges and trappings of "liberty" while the reality is built that they are slaves to the collective.

Do not forget, we started the transition to collectivism. The Nazi's got most of their eugenics ideas from our scientists and our own policies and programs.

The U.S.A. underwent its own transformation through the teens and 30's of last century. It wasn't until the unpalatable death camps came to light that we feigned to abhor it.

What you are witnessing is NOT the U.S.A. turning into the U.S.S.R. or that we are in the "midst" of a coup.

You are witnessing the open acknowledgement of the reality of the last 100 or so years that you weren't taught or allowed to acknowledge.


"We've gained so much ground on the gun control issue, and this march will just discredit gun owners". I've seen quite a few make this statement. Next thing you know, they force the gun control legislation through just like everything else. They do whatever they want! The march is with out a doubt a bold move, and I like it.

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Good post, zooamerica :-)

A closed mind has never served anyone well. I am glad that you have an open mind, are able to reflect and rethink, and to admit.

It seems that I do an awful lot of that too from time to time.

As long as there is light at the end of the tunnel, there is still hope, and it is never too late :-)

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There's still time to go!

Or if D.C. is too far, go march on your state capital or start your own march in your town.

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

Camp Fema or

bust for this white boy==wheweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!


I say dido except white boy would be replaced with patriots