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Why are you a libertarian?

Why are you a libertarian? A counterpoint.

So, why are you a libertarian? Now most people will answer that with a litany of arguments. Complaints, grievances and pet peeves. Some will impress with their flawless quoting of Mises, Rothbard, Rand or one Paul or the other. But isn't all that entirely irrelevant? Be entirely honest, are you really that principled?

I can do that too, wax endlessly about perceived flaws in the system, but it's a bunch of bull actually. I'm just rationalizing. So, why am I a libertarian? I don't know, honestly. It's just a feeling that I rationalise so I can convince myself and others I'm actually doing the smart thing. I'm the type of person that's a bit out there. Different. And I don't mean different because I try. Because I want to be, I just am. After a personal crisis I learned the only way for me to be happy is to allow that. It was a hard lesson, but taken to heart. With that comes the realization that under most political/social systems in history and in existence today, I would've been shunned or even persecuted. Even today, in my comfortable western society I'm forced to censor myself. But that's okay, there is no force there… I do believe in a social contract among people, just not in any political sense.

I am a man of extremes. I don't have a high minded concept of liberty to pursue. I especially don't pretend to have the solution. I just need a lot of room to maneuver. I'm not happy in the middle, I think we can do better. The world IS my oyster and I want to taste everything it has to offer. I am definitely not a libertarian because I believe in a secret masterplan to bring us all into slavery. I watch Alex Jones for comedic value ONLY. That's a negative motivation anyway. Never a good thing to build a life around.

Liberty is defined negatively (absence of coercion), I rather define my freedom positively. I believe in free markets, not because I studied economy extensively, but because I'm a guy that has a lot of ideas. Who, when he has them, wants to go out, build them and then share it and see it go out and do good things in the world. I believe because I talked to Africans coming into Europe whatever way they can, looking to strike it rich. I'm not afraid of immigration, I admire those people. I don't oppose force and coercion out of fear, but because I can be a forceful and coercive person and I have learned that the results never stack up. A leader convinces, the rest are just managers. There are too many managers. In the system there are too many engineers and not enough scientists.

I am libertarian because I am self-directed and responsible. I enjoy the dark side, the jagged edges of life, the weird and the strange. I have done things that you don't just bring up at a company function. I do them because I enjoy them and I'm fine with that. I am a libertarian because there is no shame in my game. On the other hand, I have never done anything criminal. I don't steal, cheat and I hate lies. I will help anyone that is within my ability to help. I speak truth to power and patiently teach it to those that don't know. I am a libertarian because I am naturally generous, I don't need a government to teach me that. I am a libertarian because I believe knowledge can set you free and should therefore flow freely. Because I believe the fringes is where the real action is. If you kill the fringe, you kill progress and become a static society. I am libertarian because I am afraid we have already become that static society. Change has never been so fast, but never been so utterly meaningless. I am a libertarian because I believe people are basically good, gentle and have a great intuition. They will help each other. Altruism is real, objectively. Ayn Rand didn't get that.. that's why she had those big, scared eyes. It's natural and serves an evolutionary purpose. That means you don't have to coerce people into being altruistic… in fact that upends the whole balance it's based on. It's a lot like love, creativity and all that good stuff in that nobody denies they exist. But nobody can quite put their finger on it, or box it in. You can't package and sell it. If you want to help the poor children in Africa: don't send them money. Start a business and do trade with them! Oh crap, you can't because of legal restrictions and rampant protectionism? Tell me again how the free market hurts the poor. TRADE, damn you!!!!

Anyway, just some thoughts I tthought were good to share. Life is good and needs to be lived well. Stay on the up, folks!




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I'm not a Libertarian.

I'm a Constitutionalist, and support this site because the header states, "DEDICATED TO RESTORING CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA".
I'm happy Libertarians are here, but the assumption that this is somehow a Libertarian site seems to me a bit misguided.

Undo what Wilson did

I am a libertarian because

I don't like people messing with me.

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

I am a libertarian because I

I am a libertarian because I believe individuals own themselves. All individuals deserve the right to their life, liberty, and property.

You're a libertarian because you're a hero

Good for you.

I'm very happy that you're our hero. You wax endlessly on about.. oh wait.. you're waxing endlessly on for PAGES about what is wrong with our movement.

Hell.

EDIT : There is something wrong with our movement. We let like people you in. But, you could be the future.. I doubt it, you need to work on the brevity thing, but, we welcome you.

Unless you're a spook, actually we welcome all you spooks too. Best you say things here, than on pravda.

"Norhern Exposure" and a bumper sticker.

"Northern Exposure" demonstrated through comedy and drama how people of totally opposing viewpoints and lifestyles could live together in peace through mutual respect and tolerance.

The bumper sticker read, "If you don't like abortion, don't get one."

I am a libertarian because I

Why I'm a libertarian.

I believe that people are most happy when they're productive members of society, and they help people who need it face-to-face. I believe that people are the most productive when everything they make is theirs to use as they see fit, and there is no incentive to be idle.

Outsourcing charity (welfare) detaches us from the people we want to help. Taking someone's stuff (income tax) hurts the ability for someone to "do something with their life". If we are free to do what we want with our lives as long as we do not harm others, I think we'll all be happier people, even those in need of some help, because happy people are more likely to help others. That's why I'm a libertarian.

I love humanity, I just don't like people.

Being self-reliant is an art form. That and a stubborn streak a mile wide.

These are the reasons I claim to be a libertarian.

In the first grade, when I was 6 years old, I stood up in class,

and called the teacher a liar.

In that particular instance I happened to have been wrong. 0 is an integer.

Still, it does seem I was born thinking (for myself)...

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:) good story!

:) good story!

Never trouble trouble til trouble troubles you. Fortune Cookie

Because I would rather spend

Because I would rather spend my time fighting for those who simply want to be left alone, than fighting for those who want something from someone else.

Hmmm

My mother is a hardcore republican, my father is a hardcore democrat, and I am somewhere in the middle, disliking both parties. That about sums it up.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

If you truly face reality,

If you truly face reality, you have no choice but to be libertarian.

Never trouble trouble til trouble troubles you. Fortune Cookie

I was born this way

Baby, I was born this way
Ooh, there ain't no other way, baby, I was born this way
I'm on the right track, baby, I was born this way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45aRMPsOrKM

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i mind my buisness

and don't need anyone knowing mine! Work hard and build your own castle.

I don't mind nobodies bizz

and I don't needem minding mine ! stay out and put your hand back in yer pocket - gimmebirds ,the lot of em

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Who could argue with this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I

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Too nice to be a Repucrat...

..too smart to be a Demoblican.

And really, just too decent and humane and rational to be an Archist.

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This post deserves no attention, altruism is not real...

No person performs an act that he or she personally does not gain satisfaction from. "It makes me feel good to help the poor in Africa." If it made you feel shitty to help the people in Africa, would you help? No!

There is nothing wrong with taking satisfaction in helping people. However, everyone that decides to "help" must make the judgement call "do these people deserved to be helped." For instance, suppose you have a brother or sister that ALWAYS spends any money given to them to support a meth habit, does it give you satisfaction to give them money to buy meth? You may give them money initially because it gives YOU satisfaction that you "may" be helping him or her, but after realizing that your money will be spent on a habit which you disagree with, you will discontinue your support (unless you are extremely unattentive to the situation).

Helping people cannot be universal - as altruism suggests. Only people that are within your reach of contacts can be decided upon based on your value system. For instance, I do not know anyone in San Francisco. Therefore, I will not give my money voluntarily to anyone seeking assistance in that city. Hell, they could be murderers, hard core drug addicts, molesters, etc. I have no way of knowing.

However, if I decide to help someone (which I have many times during my life), it's because it makes me feel good. It's because it gives me some level of personal satisfaction.

Altruism is bullshit.

I voted you up but I disagree.

That is, I think the post deserves SOME attention. It is a sensitive story, clearly narrated, and it does illuminate some useful perspectives for us as we go about our missionary work.

However, I agree emphatically with the bulk of your response. All motives are selfish. The world (as often) is divided into two camps: those who realize this, and those who are kidding themselves.

"But I love my son unconditionally!"
"I'm sorry, you love WHO 'unconditionally'? Didn't you JUST stipulate the self-serving condition?"

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It gives you satisfaction

that your son does well. That's not altruistic.

Parents love their children

Parents "love" their children because it furthers their genetic line, which is ultimately self-serving.

Paging Dr Fonzarello

"Exactamundo!"

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I believe the use of force is

I believe the use of force is morally wrong to dictate behavior. This doesn't necessarily fully answer the question why, that might have to do with watching south park since I was in 2nd grade, law enforcement encounters, dealing with public schools, etc., principally, its non aggression principal at its core, peaceful and voluntary coercion rather than physical force.

I can attribute these philosophies to how people raise pets (my own theory)... The farm where I live has a farm hand, he was an ex cop, nice guy, well intentioned... neocon, likes some of the Paul stuff but thinks he's "soft" on military.

When he is walking my landlords dog, who is an eccentric puppy, he yells "CHARLIE, GET OVER HERE NOW....." in a very loud, growling, aggressive manner. On the other hand, my good friend is a progressive, is just as controlling, in a much more calm manner. Still, barely lets his dog get 5' from. I on the other hand, let me dog roam and wander, usually stays close enough so I can see him... always comes back and and generally does what he is asked, I never tell, just ask. Theres my rant

Their motto is "Dont Tread On Me"...

If your loose dog

Decides to attack someone's child I hope you are willing to suffer the consequences with dignity. This isn't to suggest you shouldn't allow your dog to roam free. Mine does too. In order for me to be comfortable with him running loose, I need to KNOW (as much as one can) he will obey when I command. I'm in the city, so that might explain some of the difference, assuming you aren't. Besides I love him, and don't want him running into the street getting killed by a car.

Part of being libertarian in my mind is accepting unequivocally, the responsibility for your choices. I feel like allowing my dog to run free relatively uncontrolled would be endangering others unnecessarily.

Not an attack of your style mind you, only pointing out a different perspective on the same issue. In this case a libertarian and his/her dog. :)

I am very far from a city. my

I am very far from a city. my dog is like me.... he doesn't take well to authority. I cant "command" him to do anything.... if I am trying to force him to come to me with an aggressive tone, he literally runs away. I've learned to just show him that if he listens to me (and I'm calm), good things happen... like treats, walks, swimming, etc. he's really independent, smart, and acts to his own accord. I've raised him well, he's perfect with kids, other dogs, etc.

He's a husky/ aussie cattle mix... he's killed chickens, therefore, i'm careful and agree with your point about responsibility.... but I was more referring to just simply hiking or something. He's leashed when he needs to be out of respect for others and obviously, i love the guy and dont want him to run in the street as well. I was merely making a point about how people command or treat their dogs reflects their personality and often time, subconsciously, political philosophy.

Their motto is "Dont Tread On Me"...