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Has America become the Soviet Union?

The Snowden story has shaken me up. My first thought when talking about it to my neighbor last night was, 'We have become the Soviet Union.'

While we still have the freedom of speech, religion and have the right to own a gun, they are the only rights we have left.

America needs more people like Snowden. Shedding light onto the evils of Government is a courageous act in today's America. By the time it comes to trial, people will be overwhelmingly on his side. Rand made a smart political decision. Positioning himself neutral, Rand is playing the long game.

I dont want a Soviet Union in America. I want a Paul in the White House.

Rand Paul 2016

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Yes, plus the constant threat

Yes, plus the constant threat of being ripped from your home and sent to Kolyma for the slightest, even completely falsified offense against the totalitarian regime must have been reassuring.

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I hope Rand is cunning enough

I hope Rand is cunning enough to convince the powers-that-be that he'll play ball with them and then do the exact opposite once he gets into office.

Soon

We are becoming that way fast. The government spies on everything we do. They are building 20,000 drones to watch us. They are ignoring the law and gaining absolute power and it is virtually guaranteed that at some point someone will abuse it.

Past tense.

When Obama had American citizen Anwar al-Awlaki assassinated for the crime of seditious libel -- for which "crime" he was not even tried, let alone convicted, we went past the point of "abuse" into the realm of absolute, tyrannical power. And let's not forget the murder of al-Awlaki's teenage son for the "crime" of having the wrong father. Or all the good folks being indefinitely "detained" without trial -- and being tortured in Guantanamo -- many of whom are KNOWN to be innocent.

In the USA NO ONE has any rights which the government is bound to respect. Tyranny is here and now. The only remaining question is how long we're going to put up with it.

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You're quite right.

I'm not sure there are many more lines even left to cross.

We used to call people who spied on their citizens.....

...."godless communists."

Has it changed?

Who said that?

McCarthy?

McCarthy was right

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"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

McCarthy spied on his own

McCarthy spied on his own citizens

Yes, his methods were wrong...

...but he was right about communist subversion.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

What do you think the progressives...

...were/are progressing to?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

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The plan is coming along

"nicely", wouldn't you say comrade?

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

On path to fascism

Not communism.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

fascism is *created* to usher in communism

There is all kinds of financial incentives for these corporations to bring in communism. It's the grants. And they all have strings attached.The purpose of most of the grants isn't actually to help - it's to give the appearance of help while embedding their own set of 'rules' into the local governments, and bankrupting the country.

Regional Science.

The definition of "soviet" is councils. Look up any state combined with "council of goverments" or COG. That trail goes to the UN eventually.

Definitions

1. Fascism: private ownership, cronyist banking, corporatism, militarism. Private sector economy with state direction on "key" industries such as energy and military industry. Totalitarian. As in the German version: "Nationalsozialismus" there was a socialist component.

2. Socialism: PPP - public-private partnerships (ownership), public share of profits re-distributed to public in forms of services. Hi taxation to re-distribute private gains. Banking heavily regulated. Democratic.

3. Communism: complete state ownership of enterprise. Zero private ownership of property beyond personal effects. Centralized banking tied to state. Zero credit / private funding. All funding directed at state industry tied to "5 year plans", military spending, etc... Militarism. Totalitarian.

The President is inherently Socialist. However, the powers that be, the ones that wield real power, have been driving us to corporatism (fascist economics) for 40 years.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Yea your right.

Thanks to the damn Nazi Republicans, and the Communist Democrats! Hitler would be proud.

What's the difference?

In communism, the state owns all property and tells you how to live in every detail. In fascism, individuals "own" private property, but the state tells them what they can do with it, and how to live in every detail. Semantics.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

More than semantics

Distinct social engineering & economic goals differentiate them. They are both totalitarian.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Could you elaborate?

How did the "social engineering and economic goals" of, say, National Socialist Germany and Soviet Russia differ?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

No worries

State control is a clear goal that Fascism & Communism share. They are both totatalitarian: the state provides total representation of the nation and total guidance of national goals.

However they differ on the structure of the societies they strive to engineer and the structure of society is a top-priority goal.

Facsism: underlying theory that drives fascism is social darwinism. The goal is to develop a social elite corp who's "natural" position is at the top of society leading others. Social conflict sorts the wheat from the chaf. The weak remain stunted and the strong, the physically and intellectually superior members of society will rise. Titles are prominently display too show superiority - Herr Doktor, etc.. It is OK, it is natural, it is expected or even desired that the weak should perish. Fascism exhaults "military heroism" of the "strong" & "the elite corp". Private enterprise and economic struggle fit into this model very well. It is the "corporatism" that ties enterprise & banking to the state. Strategic enterprises are propped up by the state. Gains are allowed to remain private and losses are made public.

Communism: the proletariat is the core of communist theory. The social structure of communism turns fascism upside-down. The "peasant", the "worker" is the "hero". Communism takes what fascists would consider the bottom of society and puts it on the top of society. Intellects, "bourgeoisie" have their property confiscated they are marginalized, blacklisted, jailed, exiled or even killed. All enterprise & property is owned by the state, period. All enterprise & banking are owned by the state. All property other than personal effects are owned by the state. No one is to have independence from the state. Militarism exists as well but used differently. It is used to equalize society, to put people in uniform, to make them uniform. Everyone is "Tovarich" or comrade.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Is The People's Republic of Communist China fascist?

We're selling out Communist China.. least you forget, Mussolini was a fascist, but that did not stop another fascist from destroying him http://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/hitler-and-mussolini/

Thinking about it...

Red China is now "pink" - very diluted communism that is allowing consumerism and offering credit to fuel it. Something that never happened in East Germany for example.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

I respectfully don't agree

"Consumerism" is communism. Instead of being customers we become consumers, and as consumers we are blamed for the problems rather than the manufactor, because the government has invested, subsidized, certified, licensed, taxed.. and so it has a bigger obligation to protect the producer (which becomes perpetually by, of and for the government) rather than the consumer. The consumer is the problem to fix, not the solution to please.

There are no more customers in America. Customers matter, consumers do not matter.. they are the matter, and why they need to be controlled.

Customers control business with their dollars, supply and demand.
Consumers get what they can at any price, which always goes up because government is the middle man until he is the only man (industrial complexes)

You point out a symptom

You outlined corporatism - "we are blamed for the problems rather than the manufacturer, because the government has invested, subsidized, certified, licensed, taxed.. and so it has a bigger obligation to protect the producer (which becomes perpetually by, of and for the government) rather than the consumer."

I think what you are sensing and do not like is that we do not have laissez faire (leave it alone) capitalism for all. True capitalism where the market (the consumer) chooses winners and losers. We don't.. or actually we do, for a portion of the country. Main Street Mom & Pop who run a machining shop are fully exposed to market forces. General Motors is not, they receive gov't favoritism, legal loopholes, stock market support, the banking discount window: Corporatism.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

OK

I experienced laissez faire capitalism at Grateful Dead parking lots where I could buy, barter, give what I had, no taxes, no regulations, no government stamps, no certificates or licenses.. there was great home made clothing, art, books, food, shoes, services, rides.. there was 80K of us who lived like this.. Joesph Campbell called us the last tribe.. I used to make uoborus headbands to trade for all the above... The Dead had a tapers section, and I would give a taper tapes for a copy.. because tapong was free, and the Dead said no one could sell the music.

We were customers, not consumers. We were treated with LOVE and respect, not hate and fear.

I've got two business plans I'm working on with the small business association where I live.. I had to buy a certificate (test) so I can buy a license.. I'm already half a grand into paying big brother just to get a job as a fall back. The classes are all about getting loans.. It's all about getting tied into the system.. If I sell jelly at the farmer's market, I need the certificate, license and lables.. $75.00 for a UPC lable from the print shop that limits me to 3.. so if I have more than (@ $75.00 each), and if I make more than three kinds of jelly, I have to buy a labeling system that costs thousands.. because they really want me to take out loans more than anything.

The Power of Myth was a PBS special with Joesph Campbell.. seems it's no longer available but you might like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc11VbRY9ag

Haaa

Dead show = laissez faire. Spot on !
Good luck with the businesses. It takes courage.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

TY!

Yeah.. it's amazing all that wisdom is gone, no where on YouTube and appears to be eliminated from the libraries.. people seem to have no idea anymore what freedom really is.

I took out a loan at my bank on my own money, cost me about $675.00. I wanted to support my community local credit union.. the last statement I recieved from them (I finally had paid off the loan) told me that they were not going to pay any dividend because not enough people were taking out loans.

If they would just be nice, it would make a world of difference, but the staff is not kind.. they have this attitude I don't get.

I am glad I got a taste of laissez faire capitalism and sorry I could not share that with more people. Again, THANK YOU for the good luck wishes. I'm sure I need it more than I know.

You know where I come from on this subject

My answer - no. But both systems are totalitarian.

See this post to understand my perspective: http://www.dailypaul.com/289285/the-parallels-between-1930s-...

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

On the path?

We're there already!!! It will only get worse unless we protest in large numbers like Brazil is right now!!!!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Sadly

Sadly in our case, you can be on a path and be a few steps from the end of it. We have been going down this path for about 40 years.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo