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Greenwald Rips David Gregory 'spin'

Greenwald handles himself extremely well... but,
http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/3115262
Thank you Jiminy Cricket
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Greenwald tears into David Gregory.


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And i thought it was Snowden

And i thought it was Snowden with the big Cajones!

They BOTH have big cajones

God bless their massive cajones

:)

Greenwald handles himself extremely well with these jerks. But..

I wish he'd stop repeatedly calling for public debate for the sake of democracy.

In doing so, he and others making similar comments practically invite the gov't/media to play this game of turning things upside down, where the spotlight is taken off the gov't violations of our constitutional rights and is instead turned on the ones exposing the gov't wrongdoings and the exposers are made out to be the bad guys, including himself.

By calling for public debate for the American people to decide whether they're ok with it or not, it paves the way for the gov't/media attempts to try to portray whistleblowers as leakers, to portray investigative journalists as criminals and co-conspirators for actually doing their job of being a watchdog of the gov't like they're supposed to, and for the media to come up with so called polls and statements by idiotic reporters where they assert to the public they wish to persuade that they're ok with the gov't spying and intrusions.

We know how that goes. When people think everyone else is ok with something, well...

But we have a constitutional republic where our rights are supposed to be protected regardless of the opinion of the masses. So, it isn't a matter of whether the public got a chance to let the gov't know if they're ok with the intrusions or not. The point is that the gov't violated our rights.

...regardless of whether the public would be ok with it.

"In doing so, he and others

"In doing so, he and others making similar comments practically invite the gov't/media to play this game of turning things upside down, where the spotlight is taken off the gov't violations of our constitutional rights and is instead turned on the ones exposing the gov't wrongdoings and the exposers are made out to be the bad guys, including himself."

I dont disagree with you, but dont undersestimate this in your face, new to some, revelation.....its about getting people to notice, hopefully, one way ticket to the rabbit hole.......i actually think the US government is foolish to think that the same tactics will keep working all the time......they have it in their heads, that a new tactic will come along, MUST come along, to fix the "old ways"...."political" ways........when they get further and further away from the very thing their actions betray,........TRUST.........the MORE you LOSS it, the MORE you have to make up for it..........ive not seen even ONE attempt, by those who created it, ceartainly no remorse........so i say, why should people trust you.......you who are SUPPOSE to represent the WILL of the PEOPLE........NOT, the will of the "representative"

My thoughts exactly,

and put into words better than I would have. I think this was the one flaw I saw in the original Snowden interview as well; his insistence that this behavior be open to public debate. This isn't voting for what we are having for dinner, it is about infringement of individual rights which should be protected under law.

its obvious David Gregory is questioning the government concerns

and not the ones from the public.

Only State-Aprroved Mouthpieces Are "Journalists"

Aside from Peter King (who is only one "lawmaker") what "lawmakers" are calling for Greenwald's arrest?

Which one of these two is is not a journalist? Gregory.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

I noticed that as well. If "freedom of the press" only for

"government recognized" journalists? If so, its meaningless.

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

The US government has been on a slipery slope since 1953

This massive NSA agency is needed to cover their own asses to the fact we live under a tyrants rule.

All we need to do is stop screwing with other people and governments and bring our troops home from the rest of the world.

Gold standard: because man can not be trusted to control his greed

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Its as simple as that...

beeman.

But, there is no money to be made by that choice by the military industrial complex so we'll get the obfuscations, the confusions, and the bewilderings to propel us to endless WARS.

We create new enemies every day (since at least 1953) in this region and our leaders act as if they don't know why.

Madness. Sheer madness.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

The NSA is just a web of deception

here is a simple explanation I just found recently, sound like what a Paul supporter would say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8ybj5KULmA

Your right all our war making machine factories are owned by foreigners. The Rothschild family owns the largest amount. I never realized I was an owed slave until lately, now trying to get out of the banking system.

Gold standard: because man can not be trusted to control his greed

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its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

David Gregory Runs Cover For The Convicted Felon In The WH

Yes, Barack H. Obama was indicted by a bipartisan group for war crimes, along with Bill Clinton and G.W. Bush, the day of the Boston bombing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/world/us-practiced-torture...

He has no legal or moral authority for running the executive branch.

Why isn't he in jail?

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NEW YORK TIMES

U.S. Engaged in Torture After 9/11, Review Concludes

By SCOTT SHANE

Published: April 16, 2013

WASHINGTON — A nonpartisan, independent review of interrogation and detention programs in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks concludes that “it is (INDISPUTABLE) that the United States (ENGAGED) in the practice of (TORTURE)” and that the nation’s (HIGHEST OFFICIALS) bore ultimate responsibility for it.

The sweeping, 577-page report says that while brutality has occurred in every American war, there never before had been “the kind of considered and detailed discussions that occurred after 9/11 directly involving a president and his top advisers on the wisdom, propriety and legality of inflicting pain and torment on some detainees in our custody.” The study, by an 11-member panel convened by the Constitution Project, a legal research and advocacy group, is to be released on Tuesday morning.

Debate over the coercive interrogation methods used by the administration of President George W. Bush has often broken down on largely partisan lines. The Constitution Project’s task force on detainee treatment, led by two former members of Congress with experience in the executive branch — a Republican, Asa Hutchinson, and a Democrat, James R. Jones — seeks to produce a stronger national consensus on the torture question.

While the task force did not have access to classified records, it is the most ambitious independent attempt to date to assess the detention and interrogation programs. A separate 6,000-page report on the Central Intelligence Agency’s record by the Senate Intelligence Committee, based exclusively on agency records, rather than interviews, remains classified.

“As long as the debate continues, so too does the possibility that the United States could again engage in torture,” the report says.

The use of torture, the report concludes, has “no justification” and “damaged the standing of our nation, reduced our capacity to convey moral censure when necessary and potentially increased the danger to U.S. military personnel taken captive.” The task force found “no firm or persuasive evidence” that these interrogation methods produced valuable information that could not have been obtained by other means. While “a person subjected to torture might well divulge useful information,” much of the information obtained by force was not reliable, the report says.

Interrogation and abuse at the C.I.A.’s so-called black sites, the Guantánamo Bay prison in Cuba and war-zone detention centers, have been described in considerable detail by the news media and in declassified documents, though the Constitution Project report adds many new details.

It confirms a report by Human Rights Watch that one or more Libyan militants were waterboarded by the C.I.A., challenging the agency’s longtime assertion that only three Al Qaeda prisoners were subjected to the near-drowning technique. It includes a detailed account by Albert J. Shimkus Jr., then a Navy captain who ran a hospital for detainees at the Guantánamo Bay prison, of his own disillusionment when he discovered what he considered to be the unethical mistreatment of prisoners.

But the report’s main significance may be its attempt to assess what the United States government did in the years after 2001 and how it should be judged. The C.I.A. not only waterboarded prisoners, but slammed them into walls, chained them in uncomfortable positions for hours, stripped them of clothing and kept them awake for days on end.

The question of whether those methods amounted to torture is a historically and legally momentous issue that has been debated for more than a decade inside and outside the government. The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel wrote a series of legal opinions from 2002 to 2005 concluding that the methods were not torture if used under strict rules; all the memos were later withdrawn. News organizations have wrestled with whether to label the brutal methods unequivocally as torture in the face of some government officials’ claims that they were not.

In addition, the United States is a signatory to the international Convention Against Torture, which requires the prompt investigation of allegations of torture and the compensation of its victims.

Like the still-secret Senate interrogation report, the Constitution Project study was initiated after President Obama decided in 2009 not to support a national commission to investigate the post-9/11 counterterrorism programs, as proposed by Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, and others. Mr. Obama said then that he wanted to “look forward, not backward.” Aides have said he feared that his own policy agenda might get sidetracked in a battle over his predecessor’s programs.

The panel studied the treatment of prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, in Afghanistan and Iraq, and at the C.I.A’s secret prisons. Staff members, including the executive director, Neil A. Lewis, a former reporter for The New York Times, traveled to multiple detention sites and interviewed dozens of former American and foreign officials, as well as former detainees.

Mr. Hutchinson, who served in the Bush administration as chief of the Drug Enforcement Administration and under secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, said he “took convincing” on the torture issue. But after the panel’s nearly two years of research, he said he had no doubts about what the United States did.

“This has not been an easy inquiry for me, because I know many of the players,” Mr. Hutchinson said in an interview. He said he thought everyone involved in decisions, from Mr. Bush down, had acted in good faith, in a desperate effort to try to prevent more attacks.

“But I just think we learn from history,” Mr. Hutchinson said. “It’s incredibly important to have an accurate account not just of what happened but of how decisions were made.”

He added, “The United States has a historic and unique character, and part of that character is that we do not torture.”

The panel found that the United States violated its international legal obligations by engineering “enforced disappearances” and secret detentions. It questions recidivism figures published by the Defense Intelligence Agency for Guantánamo detainees who have been released, saying they conflict with independent reviews.

It describes in detail the ethical compromise of government lawyers who offered “acrobatic” advice to justify brutal interrogations and medical professionals who helped direct and monitor them. And it reveals an internal debate at the International Committee of the Red Cross over whether the organization should speak publicly about American abuses; advocates of going public lost the fight, delaying public exposure for months, the report finds.

Mr. Jones, a former ambassador to Mexico, noted that his panel called for the release of a declassified version of the Senate report and said he believed that the two reports, one based on documents and the other largely on interviews, would complement each other in documenting what he called a grave series of policy errors.

“I had not recognized the depths of torture in some cases,” Mr. Jones said. “We lost our compass.”

While the Constitution Project report covers mainly the Bush years, it is critical of some Obama administration policies, especially what it calls excessive secrecy. It says that keeping the details of rendition and torture from the public “cannot continue to be justified on the basis of national security” and urges the administration to stop citing state secrets to block lawsuits by former detainees.

The report calls for the revision of the Army Field Manual on interrogation to eliminate Appendix M, which it says would permit an interrogation for 40 consecutive hours, and to restore an explicit ban on stress positions and sleep manipulation.

The core of the report, however, may be an appendix: a detailed 22-page legal and historical analysis that explains why the task force concluded that what the United States did was torture. It offers dozens of legal cases in which similar treatment was prosecuted in the United States or denounced as torture by American officials when used by other countries.

The report compares the torture of detainees to the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II. “What was once generally taken to be understandable and justifiable behavior,” the report says, “can later become a case of historical regret.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/world/us-practiced-torture...

he got his a** handed to him

I think Ben needs to team up with Glenn. That would be awesome.

Homeland security statement: patriotism is now considered terrorism.
I love www.isidewith.com shared it with everyone I know. If anything they realize its not just a red and blue idiot running for reelection.

Ben and Glenn... I like it!!!

:)

David Gregory...

is not a journalist. I almost gagged watching him attempt to smear Glenn.

That was fantastic...

Greenwald put that pompous a$$hat Gregory in his place. Will it stop Gregory from protecting King O and his admin? Nope, but it was fantastic!

"Villains wear many masks, but none as dangerous as the mask of virtue." - Washington Irvin