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Implications of NSA Spying Are FAR More Serious Than Anybody Has Raised

Forget about a private conversation where person A tells person B the code of their garage door, or that the key is under that particular flower pot.

Forget about a private conversation where person A tells person B that the $100 he owes her is between the screen door and the main door.

So when the 'dust' from this settles and people have lost interest/moved on to something else a few years down the road, you are scratching your head wondering how your invention was hijacked/stolen, when you told NOBODY except for your trusted family member who helped you design it.

Or accused of 'insider trading' when in fact you have not.

Or suddenly out of nowhere laws are changed just prior to market.

Mom and pop shops are becoming a thing of the past. What better way to monopolize and have control over every single person in this nation.

In the near or distant future, FOREIGN intelligence surveillance courts may choose your fait.

But that's ok, because according to obama, "you didn't build that".


Our Rights and the Constitution, has been seriously breached/violated. This government has done NOTHING to protect our Rights, but instead has committed treason against the American People.

My writing skills have much to be desired. So if you are writer/blogger and can word this better, by all means the pen is yours.

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Psychological profiling

is the bigger danger out of all of this.
With the amount of data collected and the tools mining, filtering, and analyzing it is quite possible for big brother to know more about us than we do ourselves.

There are very likely triggers in this software that raise flags for analysis based on behavior. Where you drive, whom you visit and how often, where you buy your milk, how often you eat out, your favorite movies, books you read, music you listen to, news articles that interest you, etc. etc. etc. If your buying patterns change significantly enough to match behavior of a particular group you get flagged. You are basically psychologically profiled and categorized.

Those in a category that is likely going to cause resistance to the party in power are going to be much easier to watch and manipulate.
Imagine now that you want to organize a protest. The NSA likely knows about it much sooner than when you even hold your first meetup. Potential protest leaders are targeted and harassed in ways that cannot be proven. Credit card transactions being denied, flights cancelled, name appearing on no fly lists, fraudulent charges draining your bank account at inopportune times, etc.

It isn't so much the data collected, it is how it is analyzed and used to discriminate that has me worried.

What needs to be asked is

What needs to be asked is whether the ISP'S are complicent in this global spying, the direct connections of a user TO the internet.....if they are, and i would NOT be surprised, then were in bigger doo doo then i think i thought.......

Implications are essential to think about, but so is full and accurate knowledge, neither im afraid would be served nor trusted anytime soon.......implications, possibilities, yes, even on things that have not been verified

"if a tree falls in a forest and there is nobody there to hear it, does it make a sound!?"

bumping with concern--

How precious was privacy!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

What if there is a glitch in

What if there is a glitch in the system? Data gets misplaced under an incorrect name? What if u send a text about marijuana and the computer logs it and profiles u as a thought criminal? Anyone realize the thought criminal implications? What about being charged over something you said years and years ago? What if it was just a joke? I mean People don't realize that this program is pure evil and in violation of all common decency.

Thankyou for this

There has been a real lack of any discussion regarding the actual implications of all of this. Its all about snowden and protecting him. While focusing on greenwald interviews and snowdens traveling plans.. we have neglected to focus on exactly the implications of this. down the the most bone chilling possibilities. This is one, and I believe it can probably get even worse.

NSA is the ultimate lifehack.. Need a new idea? go work for the NSA and steal it from anyone you want!

You did fine! Your point is

You did fine! Your point is clear.

“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.” ― Henry Ford.

Echelon - Industrial Espionage

Been going on for sometime.

"British journalist Duncan Campbell and New Zealand journalist Nicky Hager asserted in the 1990s that the United States was exploiting ECHELON traffic for industrial espionage, rather than military and diplomatic purposes."

"Examples alleged by the journalists include the gear-less wind turbine technology designed by the German firm Enercon and the speech technology developed by the Belgian firm Lernout & Hauspie. An article in the US newspaper Baltimore Sun reported in 1995 that European aerospace company Airbus lost a $6 billion contract with Saudi Arabia in 1994 after the US National Security Agency reported that Airbus officials had been bribing Saudi officials to secure the contract."

"In 2001, the Temporary Committee on the ECHELON Interception System recommended to the European Parliament that citizens of member states routinely use cryptography in their communications to protect their privacy, because economic espionage with ECHELON has been conducted by the US intelligence agencies."

Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Double YES!

Ma/Pa privacy and Ma/Pa business is small potatoes...
this 'system' was built to enable FASCISM on STEROIDS..
WE KNOW.. that 1000's of companies SURRENDER data in exchange
and swapping for 'intelligence' from the NSA/Booz Allen.
Intelligence on WHAT???
Competition... to take down and compile HOLDINGS...
Conglomerate and consume competition.
Biggest fish eating Big Fish.
Government/Corporate growth via 'intel'.
Exponential Industrial Espionage.

Notice something?

It is all perpetuated by Anglo countries: Five Eyes electronic eavesdropping alliance, comprising the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. The 5 eyes were originally setup to counter the USSR.

Where have they been directing their attention post cold-war? Germany. Why? Now that the country is reunited it has once again become the economic powerhouse of Europe and on the way to a global powerhouse, something the UK has always feared.

The UK's GCHQ spying agency is bigger than the NSA operation: http://rt.com/news/uk-spying-nightmare-germany-128/

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

I would like to know..

What corporations have been involved in building the infrastructure that technologically allows for these actions so I can stop buying their products. There must be some big names involved and somehow I have not seen any reporting on this topic.

Blaming the government for something it could not have done alone seems a bit short sighted. Fascism is the control of the government by corporations and those who benefit are those selling their "services".



I try to change people every day. Do You?

I quite disagree.

Only government has the power of the law monopoly to FORCE companies to give up their information. Sure, other companies provide the technological capabilities to enable this stuff to happen. But in what way do techno-companies force the government to move in this direction? They don't because they can't. Of course, they lobby for it. But Congress can always vote NO. Companies simply meet the need of their consumer, uncle Sam. Government is ALWAYS the ultimate decision maker.

Both of you are right. Both are wrong

You both assume clear distinction between 'Government' on the one hand and 'Corporations' on the other.

At the highest levels these are quite literally often the same people.

They sit on the same boards of directors. Are members and leaders of the same organizations (CFR, Trilaterals, thinktanks etc).

If there are laws against their participation in a 'government' capacity while part of a 'corporate/private' capacity ... they temporarily put on an official hat for a few years, then (allegedly) take it off again when their term is up (Cheney. Bechtel ... hello?)

It's the same crew. They're all working together.

In fact, the US Federal Government is now *structured* - legally - as a corporation.

Which came first? The Government or the Corporation?

Or, in the words of another classic joke:

Q: What's the difference between Michael Chertoff as DHS Secretary and Michael Chertoff the Director of the Chertoff Group that represents manufacturers of TSA Naked Body Scanners and Other Assorted Police State Gear?

A: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING except that he can cash in on your enslavement with the systems he advocated for and stole your money to build while he was in office.

This scares me.

If the feds have every phone call and text and internet interaction and bank records and everybody knows it... How far are we from them saying--for whatever reason, any reason--You are guilty of a crime... why? Because we have evidence that says so... Here's a text you sent... An internet conversation you had... THAT YOU NEVER DID. But everybody knows that they have all that information. Thus, if they produce it, it must be true--because everybody knows they have it. Right??? How long before that logic is legally justifiable???


Your writing is perfect. You communicated your message well.
Don't balk at your own greatness brother !


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Remember the fusion centers?

Remember how RP supporters were labelled potential terrorists by SPLC? Constitutionalists too? This all ties together. Once they convince the masses that select groups are "enemies of the state", data mining will be used to cull us "malcontents" from the herd. It is a form of intimidation to shut dissent up, allowing for one party rule. Re-education camps are not far in the future, and don't expect to get much health care if you don't march to the official music.

Undo what Wilson did

That's nothin'. The federal executive will have info on all....

...folks who MIGHT EVER RUN or be appointed to ANY government office. I.e. TOTAL CONTROL OF ALL BRANCHES of government, military, all levels of government, incl. federal, state, county, local.

How about simply that from a spiritual perspective it is literal satanism? Is that not perhaps the WORST implication of all?

Put aside your religion (atheism or other) and please consider the following objectively:

The gospel of Christ is one of FORGIVENESS and REPENTANCE with the central tenet being that it is possible for a sinner to genuinely repent and his past sins will be WIPED CLEAN for ever and ever.

The purpose of surveilling law abiding people is to gather data that will be used against them FOREVER AND EVER. There is no forgiveness. There is no repentence. It is used for POWER AND CONTROL over people. This is the polar opposite of the central tenet of Christ's message and happens to be the actual gospel of Satan, the Eternal Adversary.

Satan's plan for man is to CONTROL them. There is no forgiveness. There is no repentenance. Anything you EVER DO can and will be used against you FOR EVER AND EVER, regardless of whether you have actually grown and changed as a human being (repented), you will be PUNISHED FOREVER.

Free people do not monitor each other. It's as simple as that. Degenerate evil people do. Those who are literally asserting the gospel of Satan, of no forgiveness or repetenance, of control though BLACKMAIL of your sins for ever and ever do.

Real truth

Maybe the most insightful comment I have yet read here.


One word.

This is the word I say, when anybody says "Well I've done nothing wrong, so ... "


We all know YOU are and have always been perfectly honest, angelic, have nothing even embarrassing you would not want anyone to know about, IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE. I mean, obviously ...

No this is about YOUR judge for that crime you didnt commit. YOUR cops that you count on to treat you fairly at that traffic stop to not plant drugs on you. YOUR Senator you elected to stand up for your Red Flag / Blue Flag principles etc etc

It's not about YOU. Because, of course, there's nothing anyone could ever bribe or threaten YOU for. Heavens forbid.

Its everyone that you depend on that will now be in someone's pocket.

And whose pocket would that be....?

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Nixon broke into the Democrats and stole campaign secrets.

It was considered such a terrible crime that he lost the Presidency over it. At least that's how I recall Watergate. I was in High School at the time. The public scorn has followed Nixon to this day. Didn't the NSA basically do the same thing?

If you see something, say something, the government is listening.
Silence isn't golden, it's yellow.

This was during an era when

This was during an era when personal responsibility was a noble thing. Somewhere between the 1980s and 90s it shifted in a big way.

Now when someone slips and falls it is no longer an accident but something to sue someone over. Bankruptcy is no longer as big of a deal as it was.

When Clinton refused to resign after his impeachment, it gave all presidents after him a free pass. I am not surprised in the least that things are going the way they are.

Darn right. To 330 million

Darn right. To 330 million people.

Invention and idea stealing

Invention and idea stealing happens all the time.

What really concerns me are the conversations of women talking to each other about womens issues, who got who pregnant, who stole whose boyfriend, yeast infections, that sort of thing. Have you ever gotten caught listening in on your wifes or sisters phone conversations on another land line in the house? Very unpleasant outcome.

How about doctor/patient and

How about doctor/patient and lawyer/client confidentiality?

Neither is possible any longer! A class-action lawsuit against the NSA and Congress representing ALL Americans must go forward!


Thanks for bringing that up! Again, if somebody is mightier with the pen that I am, a short but detailed article would be great :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I forgot to mention

I forgot to mention reporter/source confidentiality!

Here's where you get ideas

Here's where you get ideas and can go back ad re-edit the article or write a revised one.

I'm concerned about some e-mails I've written to some of my government employee representatives. NSA employees act just like IRS employees and can damage your representative politically using this.