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Rand Who? Still nothing but a run-of-the-mill GOP Hack.

Nobody, nobody likes being suckered or taken for a patsy.

And nobody suckers 'em like Rand Who?...

Some times it's really hard to believe.

There is no way that any of us should be paying any attention to the little curly-haired twerp, other than to plaster him with danger signs.

WARNING: Rand Paul is a FAKE. Don't be fooled.

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“If he cosies up to the Russian government, it will be nothing but bad for his name in history,” said Rand Paul, the libertarian Republican senator who had initially defended Mr Snowden.

“If he goes to an independent third country like Iceland and if he refuses to talk to any sort of formal government about this, I think there’s a chance he’ll be seen as an advocate of privacy. If he cosies up to either the Russian government, Chinese government or any of these governments perceived still as enemies of ours, I think that will be a real problem for him in history.”

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I think Rand is absolutely

I think Rand is absolutely right about this one. If Snowden attempts to cozy up to any Gov't authorities it could be extremely bad PR for him.

...and for anyone(outraged,

...and for anyone(outraged, supportive Americans) who supports him.

Truth and Liberty and all

Truth and Liberty and all that jazz are easy. It's the PR where we have the majority of our uphill battles.

for someone who advocates

for someone who advocates small government, he sure does like to use it for big things, implying a them vs us mentality, i.e. war instead of peace.......im not saying thats his goal, but i know by those words, thats what some will take it as

That is just my opinion, im not knocking those who decide to support him, but some of the things hes says can be good, and sometimes they can give me pause, such as the OP's quotes

Rand is consistent in

Rand is consistent in advocating for smaller government, even here. Keep in mind that China and Russia are also big governments. China and Russia are also, as Ecuador's foreign minister might say, guilty of human rights abuses in their levels of domestic surveillance.

Government, being the

Government, being the operative word here

Im not argueing your point, just that i dont see governments, i see the people, and if just one of them believes in liberty, then i believe it is the right thing to give peace a chance.....as the saying goes, "freedom is popular", what is'nt one day, may become the next......after all, we are all fighting for change, i just think it should be a global one

What are the "big things"

What are the "big things" Rand likes to use government for? I really don't have a clue what you are referring to.

"he sure does like to use it

"he sure does like to use it for big things, implying a them vs us mentality, i.e. war instead of peace

Sorry, your right, i should have used the word terms instead of "things"

and i was refering to the "them vs us" mentality that you usually see precluding "big" things, like rustling up a war

Look, im not knocking those that decide to support rand, compared to most, hes one of the few bringing up the issues of peoples rights, im still giving him the benefit of the doubt, that he is still just getting used to speaking as a representative, i will reserve judgement based on future actions, and yes, to some degree, his words, what he says, how he says em, and trying to understand the meaning behind them, whether they be "i mean what i say" or "im a politician needing some votes"

I hope my doubts are unfounded, for all our sakes

The OP must be a pissed-off America-Hater



It's valid advice. Snowden will be crucified because, like it or not, libertarian or not, Russia & China are still seen as our enemies. Even with a President Ron Paul, they'd continue to be enemies. Rand Paul's advice is perfectly valid--because befriending an enemy and leaking secrets to them and them alone DOES make him a traitor. At the moment, I think his secrets are safe with himself and with Glen Greenwald. I'm sure they've prepared some bigger story to break, just in case Snowden unexpectedly disappears or is murdered.


holy cat dung batman.

i can't believe you guys.

any way it only goes to show
that rand who? is a neocon,
a by-the-book gop shill,
and that his supporters
are still living in mccarthy era
cold war nonsense.

You are missing the bigger

You are missing the bigger point. If he leaks information only to them, then he's a traitor. If he leaks it to the media, then he's a hero. So far, he's a hero because he's been willing to blow the whistle on the NSA--but imagine if he starts leaking the "how" to other governments. He's a person of interest to those governments and is considered a fugitive traitor by this administration. I'm sure that all the big players have setup snatch-and-grab teams, in the slim chance that he makes a tactical mistake.

Do you know what "perceived to be" means?

You completely missed the point of what Rand was saying and went full retard attacking him instead. Go take remedial English you f-king twit.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

yes as in Rand is percieved to be fit to take his fathers mantle

ala a Michael Corleone when he's really more of a Fredo and smells a lot more like Christian Dominionist Gary North then his birth father. You know Gary North the guy who wants to hide behind liberty until they can sieze power and deny liberty to those they consider the enemies of God, complete with stoning of gays and even rebellious children? The same
Gary North who bought his way into Mises, you may live to find out Rand is a lot worse than a neocon

Here's Rand's exact quote...

"...or any of these governments that are perceived still as enemies..."

It is quite a stretch to claim that Rand is declaring , re-declaring, or personally claiming these entities to be enemies. Your focus on his use of the word "enemies", and your extreme reaction to it, is to say the least, bizarre.

This entire post conveys the sentiment that you are virtually pointing at Rand and screaming, "Cold Warrior NeoCon Witch! Burn him!" I could maybe find an issue that shows Rand to be flirting with neoCon sympathies, but certainly not here regarding any issue remotely involved with the Real Clear Politics link you've provided. It's really quite stark in fact, that the video shows Rand to be 180 degrees from anything imaginably neoCon.


thanks for clarifying that. I, for one, am not so sure they really aren't. Almost certain that they would screw us whenever they get a chance.

Paul...Rand Paul

It's Rand Paul. And until I learn of someone I feel is better, I support him. Now, do you understand that, uh...uh...what's your name? Oh yeah, Regnad Kcin. Hey, everybody! Look! It's Regnad Kcin! The big man is here on the forum!
So, Regnad, do you have anyone in mind for the presidential election in 2016? If so, who?

They might not be enemies,

They might not be enemies, but they are geopolitical adversaries. They'd easily make war and kill Americans if they had to.

What exactly is this post

What exactly is this post suppose to prove...except that you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Rand is the Man ! Now get

Rand is the Man ! Now get back under your rock, snake....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

I was wondering why the poster came back at this time.

I thought he/she was long gone. It seems to me that there's something brewing in the proverbial pot and the poster is helping to stir the concoction. At least, that seems to be the pattern.

Until further notice, I stand with Rand.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox


Believe what you want. Rand is the only LEADER I see in Washington.

He consistently stands up for the rule of law and our rights.

I am going to bust my ass to see he attains a victory in my city in 16.

If Snowden leaked secrets to China or Russia, that makes him a TRAITOR. While I believe Snowden did the right thing, if he compromised our secrets to our enemies, he deserves the full penalty of law.

Just because he did the right thing, does not excuse him from doing bad things.

That is the point Rand is making. Rand is no fraud.

Wake up.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

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the full penatly of law?

who's law?
the laws where the fed gov can sell/give away secrets?
the ones where the fed can do what they want,as they have impunity?
the laws which state we can sell/give arms to known gangsters?
the laws on the books that state clinton can give china secrets
and get away with it?
the laws which state they can smoke drink and be merry,but you can't?
just who creates these laws to make every controversy a matter of nat sec?
who creates the laws about who or what a terrorist is? before they became them?
BTW,snowden is no traitor,the fed gov is
and it does not matter of the rest of the world believes it or not,nor does it matter if the news corps cloud the issues and paint him that way
the fed gov has broken most if not all laws on their own books and do so each and every day,and at times in the wee hours of the morning (you know,when no one is watching)
if the feds can break their own laws/rules,then how can anyone else be guilty of it? you know,if the fed is supposed to uphold them all

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Russia, China = enemies??? WTF?

I can't believe that Ron Paulers are soaking up this cold war rhetoric.

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I for 1

haven't bought the cold war rhetoric
All during the so-called cold war,we were trading
and banks did business with them
even the TPTB read the papers and watch their own news channels,and know whats going on
so here is Rand using the very system they set up against themselves
and yet you see a problem with that?
and using it effectively,gee,i wonder who might have taught him all this?

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

I agree

that enemy may not have been the best word, but in all reality, it may not be false. I don't think calling them friends is accurate. I prefer to call them adversaries or opponents more so than either an enemy or friend.

I can't believe that you

don't understand politics. I would think that you would by now. From a PR perspective, it DOES look bad if he cozies up to Russia and China. I don't think Russia and China are our (the peoples) enemies either, but most Americans do and that is the reality we have to deal with.

"When I say liberty I do not simply mean what is referred to as 'free enterprise.' I mean liberty of the individual to think his own thoughts and live his own life as he desires to think and to live..." - Robert A. Taft

no principles only politics

go for it bwana.

Boy you're dumb


"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

So how is anyone being suckerd by Rand?

I agree with Rand and I think he makes it very clear how to perceive Snowden's next move.

Furthermore, the fact that Rand is having a major impact on the GOP and changing it, where committees are now standing for liberty rather than a UNWO.. I don't see how he's suckering anyone.

If Rand' is not your guy, who is? Putin? Ju?