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US interventionism: Maher destroyed by Glenn Greenwald

Thank you Tim 724 :)
Greenwald isn't an all-out libertarian and never claimed to be..

About a month ago:


"Greenwald isn't an all-out libertarian and never claimed to be, so I don't think he shares that idea of a republic that people like us believe in.

He is, however, a brilliant and intellectually consistent/honest liberal and civil liberties advocate who we can work with a great deal. I see allying with Greenwald like allying with Kucinich on issues like war. Dr Paul always talks about making coalitions in areas where possible, even if you don't necessarily share an overall philosophy.

All that said, I don't think it's a bad idea to footnote your general support for Greenwald with some points of philosophical disagreement or to flesh out those disagreements in a forum like this. But, I don't feel it is worth it to let those disagreements prevent you from supporting Greenwald on issues where there is agreement and possibility for tangible positive change."

Greenwald on Surveillance 2006


Glenn Greenwald (born March 6, 1967) is an American political journalist, lawyer, columnist, blogger, and author. In August 2012, he left Salon.com, where he was a columnist, to become a columnist at the US edition of The Guardian newspaper, to which he has contributed since June 2011. Politically, Greenwald described himself as independent when he first began writing about politics in 2005,[6] though others now see him as a liberal or progressive.

Greenwald worked as a constitutional and civil rights litigator before becoming a contributor (columnist and blogger) to Salon.com, where he focused on political and legal topics.[12] He has also contributed to other newspapers and political news magazines, including The New York Times,[13][14][15] the Los Angeles Times,[16] The American Conservative,[17] The National Interest,[18] and In These Times.[19][20]

Greenwald has written four books, three of which have been New York Times bestsellers: How Would a Patriot Act? (2006); A Tragic Legacy (2007), and With Liberty and Justice for Some: How the Law Is Used to Destroy Equality and Protect the Powerful, released in October 2011. He also wrote Great American Hypocrites (2008).

Greenwald has received awards including the first Izzy Award for independent journalism, in 2009,[21] and the 2010 Online Journalism Award for Best Commentary.[22] Greenwald is a frequent speaker on college campuses, including Harvard Law School, Yale Law School, the University of Pennsylvania, Brown University, UCLA School of Law, the University of Wisconsin, the University of Maryland and others. He also appears on various radio and television programs as a guest political pundit.

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Greenwald actually believes in what he is saying.

Bill Maher does not believe what he is saying and this is intentional. He is an actor who brings in ad money by catering to a particular audience... who he doesn't even seem to really like.

Greenwald cuts through the crap

Wow! This man takes no prisoners and tells it like he sees it.

Turning the other cheek means standing up to your oppressors when they strike you down.
We need to wake up!

Is This The Last Time Greenwald Has Been On U.S. Soil?

Do you think he will remain off U.S. soil lest he be captured and given the Bradley Manning treatment -- or, worse still, the Michael Hastings treatment?

"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Greenwald just like many that have a High I.Q.

Greenwald just like many people that have a High I.Q.
will almost always work for good.
Well that is the Same thing Ron Paul stood for.
I like them both.. don't always agree with ether one.
But they both don't blind side me by having a history of lying.
They tell the truth no matter where the chips may fall!
I can follow someone that leads with the truth something that has been missing in the good old USA for a long time it seems.

THE TRUTH is rare.. from any goverment official, and unfortunately I have become aware that holds true for most news person's.

Not new but propaganda for the goverment.
Someone said it..how come we aren't as a nation outraged for a PEEPING TOM IN EVERYTHING WE DO???

PS Bill M.. he just follows a script from his home country. its what he does. He can still be funny.. but I mean.. thing about what he says you can tell who preaches the same lies..

Just want what seems to be missing, Truth and Justice for ALL
What is fraud except creating “value” from nothing and passing it off as something?

Glenn did forget about the

Glenn did forget about the Iran-Iraq War, however.

What did he forget?

The last time Iran invaded a country was 1798. Iraq started the war with Iran (at the behest of US and Israel).

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
Thomas Jefferson

Another champion rising...I'm

Another champion rising...I'm so impressed with Greenwald.

C-SPAN video

"Before you can seek a FISA warrant, the Attorney General has to certify to the court that there is probable cause that the US person involved in the conversation is either a foreign power or agent of a foreign power, and a foreign power is defined to include terrorist groups." -Turner[@24m40s]

Robert Turner spends his whole time defending the notion that the President has unabridged Constitutional authority to intervene in foreign affairs at his own utterly unchecked discretion. At around 25 minutes in the video Turner engages a virtual sleight of hand. As he complains about the discrepency of the Attorney General [in concert with Judicial authority, and accountable to Legislative authority] having the legal autority, but the President having sole and unchecked Constitutional authority, to distinguish between "foreign" and "domestic", he is diverting our attention away from the rather contemporary notion that arbitrarily erases the distinguishable line between "foreign" and "domestic" [no matter who appears to control that decision]. So even if you buy his notion that the President has ultimate, unchecked and independent discretion, you [if you're paying close attention] must realize that the discretion in question is not really regarding traditional distinction between foreign and domestic but discretion regarding who we consider terrorist. All arguments from people like Turner ultimately lead to "but we are in a state of war against terrorism!", therefore what Turner is ultimately defending is the President's unchecked power to ambiguously determine who is to be designated "enemy" at any time, anywhere, the boudary of the theater's war being limited only by technological means and executive whimsy. By default "foreign power", "enemy combatant", and "terrorist" become identical in referring to anyone or anything that not only threatens, but might threaten, executive power. All roads inevitably lead to executive police state and martial law until we address these ambiguities. Current ambiguity equates terrorists to witches, and our current modus operandi equates to witch hunt. Anyone who questions executive power, lives in fear of being labeled a witch. This is dominantly a domestic phenomenon. The ultimate irony here is that what was once considered "domestic" is now increasingly seen as threat to executive power. If you listened closely to Turner, "domestic" is becoming the new "foreign", and this is certainly 180 degrees from what the Founders had in mind as such.


The "Founders" were certainly a mixed bag. As such, they were actually arguing these same issues in similar fashion. I shall retract my ambiguous use of "the Founders" in that last sentence of my above comment and replace it with "the bulk of those who ratified the Constitution".


you [if you're paying close attention] must realize that the discretion in question is not really regarding traditional distinction between foreign and domestic but discretion regarding who we consider terrorist. All arguments from people like Turner ultimately lead to "but we are in a state of war against terrorism!", therefore what Turner is ultimately defending is the President's unchecked power to ambiguously determine who is to be designated "enemy" at any time, anywhere..
Good analysis JohnRobb!
Turner is tricky... well schooled in Bush/Cheney speak.
His command use of para Constitutional 'founders' documents, letters, diaries to interpret 'intent' is formidable.
I would LOVE to see him go head to head with Tom Woods.
Let's Get this party STARTED!!! Somebody PM Tom Woods and put him on to this video... maybe we can get a response/retort to Turner.

good idea

Tom is incredibly busy right now, but he continues to be immensely eager to engage such discussions, so it's a craps shoot. Here is his preferred conduit for invitation...

Send him the permalink to your comment...

Paste it into the "Message" field on this page...


is up with Maher? Wasn't it a few years ago he was on there preaching about how the US intervention overseas is causing the blowback on this country?

Flip flopping because his boy is in office? Disgusting.

What's great about this video

What's great about this video is Maher keeps thinking he's going to get the last word like he usually does, and Greenwald does NOT let him have it :)

Maher is such a hoax.

But hes good feeding for the Sheeple.

Fortunately free market education is becoming very in expensive and many families are turning their back on the State run education system.

This will mean fewer and fewer Sheeple in the future.

Cool vid explaining

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The CSPAN Debate (above)

btw Greenwald v. Turner BOTH using the Constitution
and case law was spirited and very good.
Comments from the callers was pointed as well.
5star recommended.

Bill Maher counterpoit was to

Bill Maher counterpoit was to make the most racist comment possible.


Maher got DESTROYED.

This Glenn Greenwald knows his stuff. He made Maher look like a small minded idiot. Hmm, maybe because that is the case?

Ron Paul is right ...

... build coalitions where possible.

If we wait for "all or nothing," we will be waiting a LOOOOONG time.

At the same time, we starve the beast where we can, engage in civil disobedience where we can, trade within the Agora where we can, and practice liberty at the individual level where we can.

But to push aside those who have common ground just because they are not 100% pure is counter-productive.

Maher is a sellout tool. Who didn't know that.

Can't stand him and never watch him. I am debating whether to watch this.


Comedians are looking for the laugh, they can change positions at a moments notice to win over the audience. Don't expect them to play by the same rules... and besides, THEY are not lawmakers.

Bowls them down

He destroys the socialist ,liberal progressive left and right wing despots. Be careful and have a companion with you. At all times. They don't like when a news reporter tells the truth. It relies them when people start thinking freely. Paul Revere rides the internet.

Money talks and dogs bark


Libertarians are either naturally born, or made by government, or who have gained some wisdom through experience.

They consist of natural libertarians, authoritarians who want to name their own authorites or be their own authority without competition from the Statists, liberals who understand economics, conservatives who understand human nature (e.g., Ron Paul), and people who hate the government, usually because they were trampled by it.

Greenwald is trainable.

Freedom brings us together; it doesn't divide us.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

oh that felt good

To see Maher's dumb ass got destroyed. This will be rough but since Glenn is on I'll go watch the whole show and tough it out. Thanks for sharing.

Homeland security statement: patriotism is now considered terrorism.
I love www.isidewith.com shared it with everyone I know. If anything they realize its not just a red and blue idiot running for reelection.

I like greenwald more after

I like greenwald more after each interview and his name sounds like he could be a character in the Harry potter series :)

Nice to hear applause

of agreement from the audience. The corrupt federal government and their tools are losing ground daily.

Yep, Maher's "Circus" portion of the Bread and Circus

fell flat on it's face right here.