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Only Civil Disobedience Will Win Our Liberty Back!

Only violence will win our liberty back.

You don't think so? Who are we kidding?

I write post on Facebook about the intrusions of the NSA and other government programs. I tell them to write their representatives as I have. Write their senators. I tell them not to let these transgressions against US, the people by way of destroying our Constitution, simply fade into yesterday's news without incident, without there being a vote forced on this issue.

I disseminate the truth to the men in my Infantry company and watch the truth spread like wildfire through the ranks. They say they will uphold their oaths...most of them...and most of the senior NCOs and officers. I think many of them understand it now. But what are they suppose to do? Spread the word?

Once that happens, they'll do what I do. Tell everyone they know the truth. But then what? Once THAT happens? They can start to demand change...but how? How does one without power and authority "demand" change? These are things I catch myself saying all the time. "DEMAND CHANGE!!!"

Writing your representatives won't demand change. Neither will writing your senators. HA! That's IF they even really read it for themselves, and IF they are the one's that even email you back.

The game is over and the media controls the character of our people. The people are lazy, worse, they are complacent. In the military there is a popular phrase...complacency kills. This is in reference to IEDs. Come on though, wake up! Our government is dropping tyrannical bombs on us left and right and the news only fades to darkness.

The only way we can demand change is through violence. Until there is blood spilled, there will be no change. Until we show them WE have the authority and the POWER to DEMAND change...nothing will. Until we are ready to give up what we love, to get what we need to strive as humans, LIBERTY, then we will continue to wither and suffocate under the oppression that is being unleashed against us daily! Don't be confused, there are many veterans that stand with you. Ironically, we as Americans love to praise our troops (although less so here) if not for their effort to fight wars, for the bravery to stand and DIE for what they believe. There are many veterans, including me who don't believe in these wars, who get the system, who understand the Federal Reserve, petrodollar, and more. It doesn't mean we understood when we joined, but that doesn't take away from the point that we served for the right reasons, which is for the LIBERTY that we THOUGHT we had.

So let me ask you this. If we want to give all this credit to our military for being brave to keep us "free", then why is there no credit to be given to the citizen who is brave enough to actually stand up to be free? Like Snowden? The soldiers can't do it all. The backbone of our country is the citizen. It's you and me. I may be a soldier, but I am a citizen FIRST. America needs context in which to judge their "heroes". We need to be willing to die for our liberty. Rather, die for our son's and daughter's liberty. We all know they will have none in their lives with the progression of government today.

Bottom line. We need to push our limits to show we have power as people. We need to find a way to fire up America as a whole and stand up and make a change. Not by writing, by ACTING OUT. Americans are the weapons we need to win the war for our liberty. Like a sword, this weapon cannot be made when the "steel" is cold. It must be hot and the fire and passion for liberty must be ignited to make a change. It is on us, the informed to make this change. It is on us to initiate the movement. WE must ignite the flame in which this weapon can even be forged.

Although the violence I call for may be that of our own government acting against us, we must show civil disobedience. We must. Change will NOT happen without it. We can't let people like Adam Kokesh stand alone. That march on DC is exactly what we needed. No one wants violence. I don't. But the change we so desperately need must be demanded. The only proven way to do that, is by civil disobedience. We did not strike first, they have. And we haven't even gone as far as civil disobedience.

I'll leave you with what is surely one of our all time favorites.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

Sincerely. With love, and for liberty.



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I hate to sound disingenuous about this,

but I wont be the first in line. I'm Canadian. We have paper ballots here, it works, and so far we have resisted the change despite media spin and calls to "modernize" and make the process "cheaper". I have personally stayed after hour with other scrutineers and verified the ballots a couple of elections now, and the first election I was old enough to vote in, I worked the poling station. It only takes a few hours and the numbers have to match. It doesn't fix all the problems obviously, but we DO have more than one party, and in many riding you don't have to vote for the lesser of evils. I don't know how this could be accomplished in America, but when I look across the boarder and see a country founded on the most aspiring principles a free peoples could contrive, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, and see that they have electronic voting machines machines, my gut cringes with trepidation.


Genius idea!

Whatever happened to civil

Whatever happened to civil disobedience? Isn't that like something from the 70's? Personally, platoonleader, I honestly do not think most Americans could even attempt to define what civil disobedience is anymore without consulting wikipedia first. They've no idea...clueless. Hate to say it, but I see it every day.

Civil disobedience will continue to be a thing of the past until all of the free government checks stop coming in. People don't care until it hits them in their wallet because they're selfish, stupid, and too consumed with themselves to care about their own country.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.


That's why we need to get vocal. Make them understand why they need it. They need to understand that that hand out is just a pay off to keep them complicit. It's keeping them broke and undervalued.
there is a way to get through, we just need to find it.

What kind of violence are you

What kind of violence are you implying?

On one hand you say the tree of Liberty needs to be refreshed with blood shed, but on the other you imply civil disobedience.

I'm all for civil disobedience, not violence.

Which is it? The solution can not be both.

If people start murdering IRS agents, how's that going to make the Liberty Movement look to the rest of the country after the media and Bob Costas spin it on Sunday Night Football In America?

Violence is a no win situation. They literally want us to fire the first shots....and then they'll say, "See, we told you those constitution loving militia people were bad."

Violence should always be used as a very last resort, and it has not come to that point...yet. Why? Because too many Americans don't give a rats ass about anything except themselves.

The shelves are stocked, the restaurants are open, the beer is flowing, the game is on, the movie is about to start, and the free government checks keep coming in. Life is still too good...and easy.

Why on earth would they protest when their meds are free?

Too often men resort to violence for lack of intelligence.

It's easier to throw a violent punch than it is to create a reasonable, articulate response.

Words are more powerful than bullets. Shoot them with words!

Shoot them with information! Ed Snowden didn't fire a single bullet, but he sure as hell dropped a political bomb on Washington, DC.

He did it with his brain, not a gun. Intelligence is much more effective than any weapon.

The most important thing I ever learned in the military was how 95% of all warfare is psychological, not physical.

What we think and what we say are more dangerous to the government than our weapons.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

I disagree

I'd love to agree, and until today, I did.

I just realized, I say all I can. I have changed COUNTLESS hearts and minds for our cause.

But what does that do?

Our cause may win ideas, which are bullet proof, but until those ideas act, they are useless.

We have such great ideas, I feel like we have 99.9% of it figured out.

BUT, it's like going through life knowing how to get that smoking hot girl, but until you put your ideas into action, nothing will change. You have to grow a set first.

Right now we know what we need, and I don't know ANYONE who like congress, all the left, or all the right. I think I have spoken too much around all of em. ha. The thing is there is no response

We tried through elections, we all know Paul was cheated, if not one way, then another.

We are being spied on, held down by the IRS, you know blackmail is being used via NSA, looks like journalist are being assassinated, hell we know Americans ARE being assassinated, journalist are being called traitors and felons for reporting BY our media and government...It's rampant. WHAT have we changed? You know what I mean?

I don't encourage violence, I'm just pointing out that if we did, we know how it would end. One side or the other will be pushed until there is violence. I can't see us starting it, but me may have to finish it.

I post the TJ quote to remind people, THEY KNEW THEN. When power gets out of control like this, think you can change it all you want. NOTHING will happen until there is violent bloodshed. I'm not advocating it at all...I'm just pointing out history.

History has changed in a huge

History has changed in a huge way. The 21st Century has proven that people can use information more effectively than violent bloodshed.

Information is key. Central "intelligence," agency...what do they specialize in? Information.

Media dynamics have totally changed in the past 10 years.

A total transformation has taken place very recently thanks to the Internet. What's happening on the Internet is a revolution of information...it's all open source, in the clouds for everyone to see.

20 centuries of war and bloodshed never had such information.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Knowledge is power

BUT again, tell me how that actually stops this tyranny train?


It's to the point where I almost think we are conditioned to think that civil disobedience is even bad.

It's conditioned to think that violence is NEVER necessary. If that was the case we wouldn't have a second amendment. I'm not advocating warfare. I'm advocating civil disobedience. If that leads to warfare, we clearly need it. Because I know we won't start that one, I see government brutality everyday.


Any non-violent, peaceful civil disobedience we could do en masse will be met by violence from them anyhow.

One way to achieve maximum impact with minimal violence... If I was one of the evil transgressors against the people/Republic - it would scare me straight if several of my peers suddenly started to get picked off.

Just sayin'.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

My point

Either way, if we openly start warfare, if we start with civil disobedience...nothing will change without violence.

I'm surprised so many on here don't see that. They think that it will get better by writing your congressmen, they don't read your stuff, they don't even write back, they are their staff.

Even so, what change comes from that? empty words, and promises. all our government is known for, because they hold the cards, they have the power

I have never endorsed violence, and I won't start now... BUT

after all these revelations, with more to come, the public still does nothing. So, what options are there really when the whole system is infected from within? What legal means is there that actually serves the people anymore? Like, really. It's that kind of realization that leads many to believe that a violent revolution is the only answer.

However, all these infected parasitic systems survive only off of the blood of their host. The People are the host. So would it not make sense to stop feeding the system? All these institutions are corporate in nature and ONLY survive by consent.

The problem, or I should say the SOLUTION is to shift your awareness away from being an American, a Syrian, an Afghan, an Iranian, a Russian, Chinese etc., and begin to see yourself, FIRST AND FOREMOST, as a Human Being on Planet Earth. We are here to live out our lives as we see fit as free beings in pursuit of happiness. So when we realize that we have an IMPOSED system of rules and laws to suppress our desires, while others are free to steal, murder, rape and oppress the rest.

We are "bound" by black thick liquid spread upon paper in symbols known as letters that form groups of symbols known as words that were created by some other human(s).

We can simply STOP cooperating in this illusionary imposition of a "civilized society" but we must do it in such a number that many of the cooperative systems fail. Money runs all "their" schemes and toys. Yet another form of ink and paper. Look at how we slave over this meaningless invention, backed by precious metals or not, in jobs we can't stand to pay for basic things that belong to us all.

We need to look down upon those who see themselves above us. This, in fact, is the Truth of the matter. Anything short of this realization, will only result in a revolution conditioned into our lives allowing the PTB to reorganize and rule us from a new system of illusion.

I will continue to imagine a peaceful transition. I see much of it already happening day to day. People are waking up more and more regardless of the fear mongering created to stifle it. Thanks to technology, the World's peoples are connecting and learning from one another in a sort of artificial Global Consciousness. Many of us haven't even realized that. But we will. In time.

I am a "Polish-born Canadian" human but I consider all the world's people my family. And like any family members, I don't want us to fight anymore. I Love you all and hope, for all our sake, that a select few of you grow up with the rest of us and join the paradigm shift into this Global Awareness.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

I'm not endorsing violence

I specifically said I don't endorse it. Whether the system fails, or we change it through civil disobedience, or it turns into a bloody revolution...there will be violence.

You will not change this willingly by way of the dollar. Not the people anyway. Unless you are Bernanke anyway.

I get what you are saying, but there is no solution we control, other than uniting and disobeying.

We're all in this together.


"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin


I THOUGHT I explicitly said that, I did not. Well, I don't endorse it. But it seems inevitable for change.

No worries

Likewise, I didn't specifically say you did :)

For those without the ability to see what most of us here see happening, you are right, it's very likely that they will react in the only way they know how.

No matter what, in the end, we win.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

MANY would say

Violence is the last resort.

It's not that the dumb people will react that way when it gets bad enough, the government is smarter now. It's easier to let us think we are free than dominate us. Make us productive slaves.

But, it's this the last resort?
That's where we are no?
The civil disobedience stage.
What other steps do we have?

Money bombs failed, journalist are dying and openly being called traitors and felons, massive spying, undeclared wars, voting fraud, assassination of Citizens...what amendment hasn't been broken other than the 16th??

What other steps can we take, when the wildfire of ideology has spread as far as it can...what's next?

The government cedes power back to the people?

I doubt it.

No.1 cause of disease: Stress

All of that which you so validly stated can cause a great deal of stress, can't it? It's easy to get emotionally entangled in this web of psychotic confusion. Actually, with our technology and ability to communicate so freely, it is rather hard to convince people they are FREE™ Did someone not say that today it is far easier to kill millions than to control millions?

So now let's get ahead of the game. They've been spraying us, feeding us and making us drink poisons and radiating us with smart meters and lightbulbs that leak metals, weakening us and now comes the onslaught of stress after stress after stress. It's like we're allowing them to assist in our own suicides, whether physical or simply psychological.

So what good would one be to the revolution dead?

We will never be able to figure out what's next because we've never been here before. We didn't have internet to connect us locally or globally. But we do Now. We know this is a borderless issue we all face on this round rock. It'll take time to sink in but enough are aware of this new perspective and a new young generation is right behind us even more empowered by this connection. We are learning to change our perspectives to find new solutions to tiresome, cyclical patterns of problems.

We don't know how the masses will deal with those responsible for these problems but deal with them, they will.

For those of us seeking or hopeful for a peaceful revolution, we know that this needs to start within us all. We must be less susceptible to these imposed stresses, not by avoiding them but by not responding the way we always have. Let's try something different. Let's envision a world without them—a world where these days are remember in tales told to our grandchildren of how we overcame the greatest evolutionary milestone in our human collective consciousness.

The only power people need is the power they have within themselves.

Never doubt it.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Empires Don't End That Way

They rot from within and collapse. Don't worry about trying to gain control of a sinking vessel. Let others fight over the helm of the Titanic. Just get your lifeboat ready and help other responsible people do the same.


You are exactly right. First intelligent response so far.

“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”― Henry David Thoreau

that's a fact, Desert Rat!


"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina


platoonleader, is exactly what they want. Chill, baby. If and when your time comes, we'll be behind you; we'll need you. But

There's still a lot of people with stuff in the works, the system, trying to resolve our issues under the Rule of Law regarding the Constitution, a lot. Enough people to cause a sea change. Please be alert —but patient.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina


I don't think you read my entire post. haha. There is no change happening within our government for our favor. Name it.

If you really wanted me to read

your post...me personally?...you would not have led with such a provocative title. My loss, your gain. Congratulations.

BTW, I still think your 'arguments' (comments) within your post are vapid -- but provocative, like bait, for those who have nothing better to do.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

Ignorance is bliss

Must be nice thinking that we can sit down and write our letters to congressmen and then go back to watching honey boo boo.

That's where real change begins. Prime time T.V.

I mean, that is your solution, and reason for the down vote and haste to not read the post? Right. What's your solution? Petition? I can't wait to see government give away all of it's power because of the letter you wrote to your congressman.


when you wake up and google "Only violence will win our liberty back"....you'll understand, it ain't the best title, given what you were trying to import...by a long shot.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

The title proves my point.

Violence, not of our doing...will come, no matter what before change does. Not a wish, it's just history.

Apparently not--

for some reason, to your liking or not, your title has been altered from 'violence' to 'civil disobedience', which to me, proves my point...

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

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Peace Gold Love

Please remember peace.

If I die fighting for liberty it will in my own home after all peaceful attempts to move forward have been made and there is no other choice but violence in self defense.

I will not go out looking for violence or ever use aggressive violence. Violence is a last resort for self defense.

Starting violence like this post is calling for only makes you a terrorist and gives a green light to shoot at the targets that Government already has on libertarian heads.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Not a valid response at all...


Sea Crab.

Read the Post! Not just the title. It's tragic, but I don't see any end to this that's peaceful. I'm not saying we start violence.

I'm advocating civil disobedience.

If that is violent, then so was MLK, so was Gandhi...on and on.

I'm not advocating violence.

And waiting for my family to die in our homes...THAT'S that isolationist crap that gives us a bad rap.

Ron Paul would attack if the threat was imminent, words from his mouth.

I'm not waiting that long, promise you that. If the threat is so bad that I have to bunker down and wait to be slaughtered in my house, go out with some honor and at least take the fight to them. It is self defense if they are coming to your doorstep to kill you.

I get what you feel, but I don't think you read. Of course peace. Of course. BUT WHAT SOLUTION IS THERE. I have had NO valid answers to that. civil disobedience is the answer. That is peaceful.

If I wasn't for peace, I wouldn't be for Ron Paul at all. Above all he is for self defense. But don't forget he is all about gun rights, even for pilots...he doesn't want them to wait to go down with the plane.

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Not a complete sentence at all....maaaaaaannnnn

"They only way we can demand change is through violence. Until there is blood spilled, there will be no change."

Sounds like you're calling for violence to me. Is it violence or peaceful civil disobedience? There is a big difference buddy.

What the hell is a jumbo shrimp? See? It doesn't make any sense.

A call to peaceful civil violent disobedience!!!???? WTF is that supposed to mean?

It sounds like you want to entrap a Government official to kill you or something.

Civil disobedience means that you suffer, not them. Civil disobedience means you have to be CIVIL. Being civil means you don't use violence.

"The best general is the one who can win without fighting" - Sun Tzu

Violence won't accomplish anything but getting you killed and the rest of us scapegoated. Remember that Ron Paul had 500 delegates at the RNC in 2012. Remember that Rand Paul is a household name in America. Remember that we rule the internet and that our movement is growing every day. Violence will only help compromise all of that.

Go to your county GOP meeting this month and get involved. You could be a delegate in 2016 nominating Rand Paul for President.

Peace, Gold, Love

Remember Peace.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson