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Why I won't be supporting Rand.

Without a doubt Sen. Paul is one of the only liberty minded senators and seemingly one of our only allies within the Federal Government. However it's statements like these that reaffirm the fact that he will always bow to religious fundamentalists, traditionalists and even neo-cons before he lifts a finger for liberty. It's easy to give great speeches on the Senate floor, we've got a president who did just that. He promotes centralized social engineering, there's no other way to describe it.

If you don't get that Government has no business in dictating the private lives of individuals and that one of the few jobs of the state (if there must) is to protect those voluntary contracts between individuals, not to make them illegal.

Rand is using the liberty movement as a pawn, thinking we'll be his army, taking marching orders like we're some kind of leftist collective.

No thanks, I don't like voting away my consent to be ruled, especially from someone who appears to be such a fraud. He's certainly not the "real deal," he just says sort of the right thing occasionally.

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So Be It

Your choice, do want you want and say what you want. I am for Rand all the way myself. He is having to "dance" in the lion's den right now, and I believe he is doing a dam good job of it. I do not see Rand as a "Politician" as much as someone who knows how to play a mean game of "Political Chess" and still maintain his principles.

In other words...

"It took me five years to find this sight which I joined enthusiastically as it represents my understanding of the way things sould be. (Cough!) I would have been here sooner, but I was too busy chewing my nose which I had surrepticiously cut off of my spite worthy face, and had not the pragmatism to ask the tough questions until I finally worked through that monstrosity of a protuberance fouling my mouth and then looked around for a job. luckily, I was offered this one. I also found a comfortable spot under the bridge and out of the rain.

So here I am. please ignore me forever...."

Yours truly,


Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

I like Rand

I will be voting for him if I am able to vote for him. Marriage is between a man and a woman. This is the union that creates life on this planet, this is why society has recognized the union itself for generations. The idea of 2 men or 2 women getting married is ridiculous, its a fundamental redefining of society, and opens up the question of what then is marriage? is it whatever you want it to be? Is it open to everything anyone could ever imagine? and if not, why not? If you can redefine the meaning of a word to suit what you want, why can't someone else redefine it to suit what they want? Why can't people and animals get married then? Because you say they cant? how ridiculous when you claim that no one can say 2 men or 2 women cant get married. So what boundaries then do you use and why should anyone adhere to them in calling a marriage a marriage? I'll end by posting a link to one of my new favorite bloggers, he's christian which is one of the things I disagree with him on but hes sarcastic as shit and I love it. He tackles many other issues and I feel hes a great read.



as a religious union is up to the specific religion to define.

As a voluntary social agreement, it's no one's business but the two individuals involved in the contract.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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so you are looking for utopia

so what. I will vote for anybody that I believe will reduce the size of government at this point, and rand fits that bill nicely. Once we get rid of about 70 or 80 percent of this government we can split hairs, but at this point even if the government wants to spend the same amount of money as they did last year the media screams bloody murder.

Who will you support? Or will you watch from the sideline?

...just curious

ill be supporting Rand

From my perspective, Rand continues to defend the issues that matter to me most. I'll be donating my time and money.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

I agree with much

of the presmise you raise, but posting it on this site doesn't do any good, as the Randbots will continue to turn their heads to anything Rand does that goes against the principle we learned from his father, Ron. It's trully sad it is turning out this way, because I would have thought they would have learned from Ron, that we have excepted the status quo for way too long, that has led us into the Corporatist government that is completely destroying our General Welfare to live and prosper in a Liberty structured Republic. They would rather turn their heads and make statements like, 'he's just playing politics or he a tactition', instead of using their 1st Amendment rights to voice to him their displeasure for many of the actions he's taken. They believe he's playing with the establishment enable him to keep his voice and gain support, but if he runs for President on different principles he will be deemed a 'flip-flopper'. If he would have had the courage, after he gained large support with his filibuster on the drone issue, to become an independent staunch constitutionalist, he could have won the praise from the masses across the political spectrum. However, he has chosen to be remain Captain, instead of being a Revolutionary General like Ron Paul. The way I approach Rand, I support him as a Senator when he does take a stand for Liberty, and will continue to voice displeasure when he sides with the Coporate Collective on issues like Iran and Israel. The Israel-firsters are pressing for more sanctions against Iran, without any legitimate reason, and if Rand support those sanctions, he will never get my vote for GOP nomination or President!

Listen up

That strategy worked so well the last time. /sarc
News flash: WE LOST.
We won hearts and minds, and we still LOST.

Our political establishment in this country prevents people like Ron from ever winning, and prevents independents from even PARTICIPATING.

You play the game or you lose, until we change what game we're playing. And as things go, only the winner of the last game, gets to pick the one we play next.

PS. Calling people "randbots" make you sound like the liberal hacks that coined the term "paulbots" and "paultards". Other people can have a difference of opinion with YOU and still be libertarians, hell they might be more so because they're willing to do whatever it takes to win liberty back. I'll get dirty so sally sissy pants can hold his moral high ground, as long as in the end my family gets to live in liberty.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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It sucks that he caters to the religious crowd

But I've chosen to suck it up and support him anyway. We all have to decide on our own what we want to do and who we want to support.

Will not be supporting rand

Will not be supporting rand or the the gop or dems. I will be looking elsewhere.

Ron Paul 2016

Then support Obama and Hillary

They support you - and don't you know it's all about their undying belief in your personal freedom and such.

Be a liberal

Be a liberal progressive Bah Bah then, hold your hand out for your freebies, close your eyes when the government stomps on your head tells you what to do and wipes your behind.

It's time! Rand Paul 2016!

"Truth, Justice, and the American Way!"

Really now, is it relevant who you support? Drop the "I" word!

Can one logically vote your post up, or down? Arrogance is not the makings of an intellectual discussion.

On the other hand, your entry into the DP site long after the Ron Paul campaign, only after the last election, is even later than the many 'bots' which were at least programmed to join the dis-information fray earlier. So we shall proceed as if this post is not 'bot' generated.

Is it really relevant who you might support? That you might not support Rand Paul is no surprise since, most likely, you did not support Ron Paul!

Remove the use of the "I" word, then start over. Maybe this is what you have not grasped:

Truth is what counts! It is the force that overshadows us all. It should hold the allegiance of all the electorate who understand the principles of liberty and freedom. It applies to all of us because it is not an existential brain-burst based upon the level of caffeine or alcohol in one's blood. It is not the flowering of the inordinate desires of mankind, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. It rules and judges over all the choices of man to rape, pillage, plunder, violate oaths, counterfeit money, drone the nations of the world, and all the other habits and evidences of lives given to those lusts.

The public servants which have been elected of late by the electorate, politicians, have been guilty of such... but now I repeat myself!

The apathy, blindness, and serf-mentality of grassroots America has resulted in the quagmire in which we now find ourselves!

Liberty need only catch fire in the hearts of the electorate and begin to spread, even a small fire, and that will be sufficient to win the day for freedom. The name and face of either the elected or the electorate, are not relevant!

The Constitution, and all the God given rights inherent in humanity, speak for themselves. They stand untainted! It is for servants to either keep their oaths or break them; to keep to their duties, or become law breaking criminals because they invaded our space, our property, our lives!

When the time comes to vote and choose another public servant, choose the person who will keep his oath.

You need not trust him! The Constitution is your guide and tool of exacting punishment.

You need only know that he will keep religiously and fervently to his oath because he fears the punishment of the electorate; he fears the rule of law over oath-breakers and criminals!
If there is no will of the people in your neighborhood to enforce the rule of law, to enforce the constitution by use of the best term limits ever conceived for the freedom, liberty, and peace of the body politic, then we will continue on with Quigley's Tweedledee and Tweedledum!

Unless the people in your neighborhood know the truth, the wrong name will continue appearing on your ballot!

Speak any name you wish... but when the time comes again to vote, only if we have done our duty and the fires of liberty truth have kindled and spread, will the right name be on the ballot!



I Will Support Rand

I read posts talking of Oligarchy and Rand bowing to Neocons and the like, but I see Rand as a breath of fresh air. You want to talk about Oligarchy? GHW Bush, Vice President 1980-1988, President 1988-1992; Bill Clinton, President 1992-2000; GW Bush, President 2000-2008; Hillary Clinton, Sec of State 2008-2012!!!! And now talk of her running for President. Over three decades of the same two families in power positions!!! Gay Marriage, who cares? All they want is to be able to live happy lives with their mate and have the same benefits as any other couple in the U.S.. So how does that harm you? By fighting against this issue, it harms them for sure. Because they are Gay and like having a partner of the same sex, does that mean the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution does not include them? It states in the Declaration of Independence that ALL MEN are created equal. It does not state ALL white men or ALL straight men or ALL religious men are created equal, but ALL MEN, which includes Women as the word MEN is there also! Should we tell any men or women that they are beneath the thoughts of the founding fathers just because they are different than you or I? Get over it and welcome all true Americans into the mix. The enemy are the ones who want to make all of us slaves to the elite class. We are almost to the point of having to pull our weapons out of our closet to defend our Liberties granted to us by the Constitution, and there are too many that let this issue cloud the real issues of the day. Glenn Beck? He is just the governments version of Alex Jones in order to sway us from the real truth. He changes the subject just enough to keep us somewhat blind to the real problems heading our way. Questions designed to put doubt into our minds about the true Patriots that will stop the momentum of the elite pawns taking us toward a One World Economic Order (OWEO). The economy is going to be crushed on purpose in order to bring this OWEO into place. Stop listening to the likes of Glenn Beck. He is not truly a friend to Liberty. Maybe I am rambling, but I believe that we have a lot of work to do and we need to quit being sidetracked by non-issues. Look to the Declaration and the Constitution for all your wisdom. It is the only thing that should guide you, no matter how you feel about any given issue.

I guess I am just one of those old Ron Paul supporters

I was going to make a rather lengthy post but I guess it's easier for me to sum it up like this

Ron Paul inspired people

Rand Paul is a tactician

While Ron may not have passed much legislation his legacy will live on. His message inspired a small grass roots effort that blossomed in to millions. With that he has inspired so many people to get into politics on the local, state, and federal level to make a difference

Rand on the other hand may pass some legislation but I don't think it will have the same far reaching effects that his father had on the face of American politics. I guess only time will tell.

Same here.

I sort of started following him when I was in my teens (latter 1970s). I didn't know his name (I just know of him). I was fascinated by the idea that such a politician actually existed.

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Sgray says...

"Rand is using the liberty movement as a pawn, thinking we'll be his army, taking marching orders like we're some kind of leftist collective."

The "liberty movement" is a collective group focused on liberty.
Every intelligent individual in the liberty movement will agree that he or she will not agree with the Senator Paul 100%. But most importantly, individuals in the liberty movement will not stand aside and become irrelevant (or vote Libertarian) over one (or two) issue(s). Generally, one issue voters are social liberals focused on social issue.

If you are to cast a judgment on him, do so, not on what he says, but on his actions. He is not a Bush or Clinton. That's a 100 point bonus right away.

To dismiss Rand Paul entirely because of his personal belief, shows the lack of toleration you have for other views. If you are planning to split Rand supporters with this post, you have failed.


The Libertarian Party, irrelevant since 1971.

Beck is just doing his job, and getting paid very well for it.

Using issues to divide people from principles of freedom. It's as simple as that.

And he accomplishes his goal every time a person gives up their personal moral values to be sanctioned by the government.

Fuck Beck

Go Adam Kokesh, then? lol

It's easy for the knee jerked-inclined to jump all over Sen Paul for making the connection, but he's right--and, even if it's not popular (and even if you don't agree with him on this), is it okay for Rand Paul to be human every now and again and tell you what he thinks about a subject? Many here are complaining because he is "too political" and calculating all of the time.

Pedophilia is being normalized in Europe and at almost any major video store you can rent this movie...

"(2007) "Zoo," (a film about a man's 'relationship' with a horse) premiering before a rapt audience Saturday night at Sundance, manages to be a poetic film about a forbidden subject, a perfect marriage between a cool and contemplative director (the little-seen "Police Beat") and potentially incendiary subject matter: sex between men and animals. Not graphic in the least, this strange and strangely beautiful film combines audio interviews (two of the three men involved did not want to appear on camera) with elegiac visual re-creations intended to conjure up the mood and spirit of situations. The director himself puts it best: "I aestheticized the sleaze right out of it."

You might have to shed yourself of scenes from Glee and American Idol, but marriage really does have something to do with sex resulting in children...and the precarious situation of one member of the sex bearing that gift/burden.

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Because he

Endorsed Mitt Romney.


How much of the DemoPublican Budget Would it Take

to make sure the #1 liberty site is infested with maggots?

I bet $50 K a year would be sufficient to BUY the persistent MAGGOTS we have here at the Daily PAUL. Even without a dime I bet the DemoPublicans could find 1 million volunteer maggots to do what is being done here. Has recent history taught us nothing?

And -- JUST USING COMMON SENSE -- wouldn't you EXPECT that an oligarchy powerful and motivated enough to enslave the whole of the US population with Fed and the IRS and Forever War; to rig the elections; to make sure that TRILLIONS of dollars of US taxpayer money go to the criminal banksters who created and profited from the 2008 financial fleecing; somehow befuddle the population with the fact that NONE of the criminal banksters have even been indicted, much less prosecuted, much less jailed; powerful enough to put 30,000 drones in the air to threaten the US population; to surveil EVERY communication by every person on the planet; to subvert and destroy OWS; to subvert and defang the Tea Party movement; to target Ron Paul supporters with the IRS and other Federal harassment; to make sure that Ron Paul never even got nominated on the floor


And isn't that's EXACTLY what's happening?

I bet if we had the real names and biographies of those who are continually going out of their way to seed this site with innuendos, philippics, insults, and dissension directed against the #1 candidate PERSONALLY SUPPORTED BY RON PAUL HIMSELF it would be more than enlightening. I think we'd see what maggots and full-time losers most of these negative thread-starters are. I expect we'd find some DemoPublican money in play. I expect we'd see some interesting connections to the DemoPublican machinery which makes sure that NOBODY can ever gain enough power in the political system to topple the Franchise.

I think it is time for the DailyPaul to come up with a few common sense rules of engagement for this site. It is past time to start killing threads like this before they get started and start killing accounts of those who start them. There is plenty of real work to do ahead of us. If you don't want to support the man Ron Paul has endorsed, that is fine. Don't. Shut up and go elsewhere.

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

"Why I won't be supporting Rand"

You were in full support prior to the above referenced interview?

Were you ever actually a supporter of Rand at any level?

If yes, can you provide tangible support for that assertion?

If you were never a supporter of Rand, does your bold pronouncement carry any real heft?

Is the loss of your non-vote a loss?

Further details at eleven.


Posts like this are very similar to "I am leaving the DP FOREVER!!!" (or at least for an hour or so).

They are attempts to bully/intimidate others to the posters will.

On a related note:

Many times you read of newer DPers complaining that they don't get immediate DP cred/that they are/have been accused of being agents of the forces we are fighting (In a winner take all/fight to the death game). In many cases, but not all, the reason that happens is that we are in fact a prime target for such attacks. If you are not an agent of the opposition, please understand and don't be offended. In time it will become clear, as your record grows, that you are really "WITH" the Liberty Movement. As our importance and influence grows these types of attacks will increase and become increasingly sophisticated. Opposition attacks increase during critical times: campaigns, major pending legislation, major public policy news, major GOV initiatives, etc. Again, if you know in your heart you are good with the program-don't become offended because in a short time the community will know what you already know. Use it as a learning opportunity so that you may better help us to guard against the loss of momentum/time lost caused by opposition attacks.

Why is the immediate above a related note to this post? It could be this post is designed to attack Rand and weaken the LM. I do not know but this style attack has been used in the past.

Time will tell.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

So why did you support Ron?

He said he would have voted for DOMA in 1996.

The truth is because you just don't like Rand so you are looking for an excuse.

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better yet

he has said on numerous occasions that the state shouldn't have anything to do with marriage.

how a libertarian would have answered

So, what, Glenn. If three women want to marry the same man, what business is that of yours?

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

So sgray posts this and leaves

I don't think sgray ever supported Rand

Sincere question,

who will you be supporting then? I am not that excited about Rand either. I absolutely love his father, everything about him!! I still say Ron Paul 2016, however, I am not sure it would be good for him. I thought maybe Ron should run for Governor of Texas and then we could all move there.

Call your representatives and ask them to get on board with the Audit of the Federal Reserve.

Ron Paul Texas Governor 2014

Everyone is already moving here.

Housing prices have risen dramatically.

I heard Perry speak followed by Gregg Abbott. Night and day. Abbott at least sounds like he is being honest. Perry sounds like he is trying to sell you a used car.

Ron Paul spoke later. WOW!