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Why I won't be supporting Rand.

Without a doubt Sen. Paul is one of the only liberty minded senators and seemingly one of our only allies within the Federal Government. However it's statements like these that reaffirm the fact that he will always bow to religious fundamentalists, traditionalists and even neo-cons before he lifts a finger for liberty. It's easy to give great speeches on the Senate floor, we've got a president who did just that. He promotes centralized social engineering, there's no other way to describe it.

If you don't get that Government has no business in dictating the private lives of individuals and that one of the few jobs of the state (if there must) is to protect those voluntary contracts between individuals, not to make them illegal.

Rand is using the liberty movement as a pawn, thinking we'll be his army, taking marching orders like we're some kind of leftist collective.

No thanks, I don't like voting away my consent to be ruled, especially from someone who appears to be such a fraud. He's certainly not the "real deal," he just says sort of the right thing occasionally.

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I invite you to step outside the reality,

where you have to support someone for president to feel satisfied. Perhaps you will feel a little more awake, then :)

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

HUH?

I received Ron Paul's newsletters by snail-mail years ago. So, NO, I do not have to have "someone to support for President to feel satisfied". I have been a part of tax-revolt, JBS, ending the Fed, illegal immigration, real ID, since I was a child, buy gold, etc.... So, I am a little confused by your statement. Maybe it has just been too long for me to be away from the DailyPaul.

Maybe you were just responding to someone else and accidently hit reply to me. Or maybe I am just confused by your comment, which is entirely possible.

Call your representatives and ask them to get on board with the Audit of the Federal Reserve.
www.senate.gov
www.congress.org

sorry, then

I guess I misunderstood your comment.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

This is exactly

how we got into this mess. Our splintered group of liberty minded individuals were apathetic and disheartened. Ron brought us together. Our voice was never heard before then, you are only encouraging the dissolution of what Ron tried to foster.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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I most likely won't be supporting Rand either ...

I'm sick of people saying that we'll never get anyone as good as Ron Paul again and we need to lower our standards. That's wrong thinking. Ron Paul should be the low water mark and we should only accept leaders who are Ron Paul or BETTER.

You teach people how to treat you. And every time you say that you'll accept less than Ron Paul, that's exactly what you'll get.

best comment I read all day

Just think if athletes thought this way. We would never get any new records! Just think if inventors thought this way. We would never get better inventions! Just think if businessmen thought this way. We would never get more efficient services! But we are supposed to accept this for our leaders?

My friend, you have created a wonderful perspective on this whole thing. For that, I thank you deeply.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

seeing rand buddying up with the likes

of beck and hannity, two men who should be publicly apologizing for their despicable remarks about his father is rather hard to stomach.

i know. i know. it's politics, playing the game. still. admit it. it's sickening.

I admit it, it would really

I admit it, it would really make my day if Rand would tell that smug twerp Hannity to go **** himself.

It seems Rand is suggesting

It seems Rand is suggesting here that since having children before marriage is a leading "cause" of poverty in this county it then follows that the federal government ought to define what "marriage" is.

So then if a leading cause of obesity in this country is later age pregnancy then the federal government ought to make a law which stipulates by what age a women must give birth?

Hey Rand how does that biblical story about Sarah go?

I like a whole lot about Rand and feel that in many ways he has exceeded expectations... I just hopes he finds a more consistent liberty message over the next few years.

That being said... the post makes the statement that Rand will always bow even to neo-cons before he lifts a finger for liberty... that is clearly false. Rand has already demonstrated an impressive degree of integrity to NOT bow to neo-con pressure on a number of important liberty issues.

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Because you're an idiot.

That's the only reason anyone libertarian wouldn't support Rand Paul.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

why the impulse to insult

people who disagree with you?
here's something from adam kokesh on the subject and he doesn't even get to the disgusting vote for sanctions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvuyI0b5xNM

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Because some people need to be told to shut up.

A libertarian trashing Rand Paul's imperfections is like pissing on a raging forest fire.

I see the thought process and good intentions but it's not helping and nothing good will come of it.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

the old

my way or the highway way of thinking. good luck with telling people to shut up and labeling them idiots. nothing good will come of it and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

besides there is trashing and there is discussion. it's not a perfect world so we have to take the good with the bad, but "shut up" is nothing you'd ever hear from ron paul. in fact if he talked and thought like that there'd be no liberty movement.

I'm gay, and I still stand

I'm gay, and I still stand with Rand.

I'm not a one issue voter. I put America first, not me and my own personal agenda because I don't have one. If I did, I'd be waving a rainbow flag donning an Obama 2012 bumper sticker and campaigning for Hillary Clinton.

I can also recognize when someone is talking out of both sides of their mouth. Rand later said he supported the Supreme Court decision to reverse the DOGMA, er...DOMA.

Rand went both ways, playing it bipolitical.

I can care less who Rand panders to.

His father taught him well, and Rand has learned well from his father. The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

No pun intended.

NEVER let a single issue make up your mind. Too many Americans decide their political allegiances based on a single issue.

Just because I'm gay doesn't make me a liberal democwat!

Now put that in your pipe and smoke it, Barney Frank.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Thank you sir

for your succinct and sincere point of view.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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Its strange to see how issues

Its strange to see how issues that nobody cared about even 20 years ago suddenly become deal breaker issues for some people, as if nothing else matters. Not even Democrats had gay marriage on the agenda of "must haves" as recently as the 1990s. Nor was it a key issue for the Libertarian Party. Now the $PLC will put you on their list of haters, right alongside the Aryan Nations, for the sole reason that you oppose homosexual marriage.

There is nothing under our Constitution that allows the federal government to make marriage laws. Although, for the lefty Democrats out there, I remind you that there is nothing in the Constitution that allows the federal government to get involved in education or health care either. States can make marriage laws. They can legalize homosexual marriage or forbid it. They can legalize polygamy (as Utah once did) or forbid it. That is the way it has been since this country was founded.

And Rand Paul is right, the explosion in out of wedlock births is responsible for a lot of poverty and other social ills.

Anyone else sick of the Rand

Anyone else sick of the Rand Bashing threads? There are certainly a lot worse politicians to bash...why not post on those? This post is stupid.

why?

since for the most part they turn out to be rand love fests.
most any criticism is quickly down voted, just like obama fanatics react over at the
huffington post when their man is criticized.

why not other politicans? they get some action too, but rand is being promoted as the liberty candidate, although he seems more comfortable representing the tea party.

I see more Rand bashing than

I see more Rand bashing than any other politician. Rand is being bashed by libertarians...calling him a fraud or a fake libertarian. Here's a clue...he's not a libertarian.

because other politicians are not being used

to corrupt the libertarian brand

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Rand is not a libertarian.

Rand is not a libertarian. Never claimed to be. He's a libertarian leaning republican.

What's a libertarian leaning republican?

Is that like being a little bit pregnant?

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Really?

Really?

If that is your issue

Go join the Democrat party. They fully endorse gay marriage. I have noticed over the past few years many people promoting gay marriage on this site, could care less about any other libertarian issues. It is all about promoting their lifestyle and nothing else. Just my 2 cents.

false splitting of options into only two sides

C''mon now, we should be better than this "if you are not with us, you are against us" garbage.

Also, I challenge you to point out even one DP user that consistently only promotes gay marriage in exclusion to other issues. I call total bullshit on that one.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Hell, they don't even support

Hell, they don't even support that...remember what the 'political' role of DOMA was in the first place? And 'marriage' isn't really a 'wing on your shoulder' when it's actually a 'shackle on your leg'. I mean marriage being used by the state as another excuse for 'taxes' and 'public control' , not the 'private relationship' that it should be.

join the LP not the dems

The Libertarian Party has supported marriage equality since its founding in 1971.
"The Republican Party has never supported marriage equality," said Laura Delhomme, 2013 Libertarian candidate for delegate in Virginia. "Democrats, despite their alleged support of civil liberties, only added a reference to same-sex marriage to their party platform in 2012 — when it became politically convenient."
http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/libertarian-party-appl...

Gary Johnson

“While many of us envision a government that isn’t in the marriage business at all, this ruling at least removes the discrimination that DOMA had enshrined in federal law. That’s progress,” (Gary) Johnson continued.
http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/blog/gary-johnson-praises-d...

Reading the comments below

I'm disappointed in some of the things I read below. No one other than Ron himself can live up to Ron. People like Ron only come around once in a while. We should not hold Rand to that level. That being said I would as of now be very happy to call Mr. Rand Paul President Paul over all other viable candidates. So lets NOT start the division already. No one knows what is in Rand's head. He sure had one of the best ever mentors