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Senators accuse government of using 'secret law' to collect Americans' data

Guardian:

"A bipartisan group of 26 US senators has written to intelligence chiefs to complain that the administration is relying on a "secret body of law" to collect massive amounts of data on US citizens.

The senators accuse officials of making misleading statements and demand that the director of national intelligence James Clapper answer a series of specific questions on the scale of domestic surveillance as well as the legal justification for it.

In their strongly-worded letter to Clapper, the senators said they believed the government may be misinterpreting existing legislation to justify the sweeping collection of telephone and internet data revealed by the Guardian."

Full Guardian article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/28/senators-james-c...

A copy of the letter: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/28/senators-james-c...

In particular notice how the letter requests James Clapper to direct the intelligence community to provide answers in an UNCLASSIFIED form.

Looks like the letter is signed by 22 Democrat senators and 4 Republican senators (including Mike Lee but not including Rand... have not heard anything as to why Rand did not sign the letter).

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Why does Clapper..

still have a job? Didn't he perjure himself before congress?

Secret law

Secret law, secret government, Secret Police. Talk about it, and you go away. What country is this again?

East Germany

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deacon's picture

how can there be a secret law

in america?
if it needs to be voted on first by the reps in washington
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

It goes like this.

P.L.->USC->CFR-> Agency Regs

and in parallel

P.L. - E.O. - D.O. - Agency O.

O's are supposed to be consistent with CFR.

Under Agency regs, in combination with Delegation Orders and MOUs is where this shyte lies. And it's not all published if classified per powers defined in 50USC.

What I'm suprised about is that a "letter" from Senators does nothing. Those senators can move to strike or alter the covering federal regulations from the CFR at anytime.

But they are afraid to or are afraid their motion will go down in a vote.

I guess a "letter" is a warning to reign it in a bit or else they might make a motion. Of course TPTB have all the down and dirty on any Senator that might make a motion. So, those Senators might get a "letter" back or might get Senator Craig-ed or Senator Carnahan-ed by TPTB.

deacon's picture

A sharply addressed letter

gives the illusion of them doing something,even when they won't
people of all ages fall for that crap
most still think them reps are there for them and do their bidding
so this helps keep the magician and his tricks under wraps
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

fireant's picture

Have you ever read any of that shit?

Damn; they are so convoluted, make reference to dozens of other statutes with changes, are so voluminous, it's no problem for the writers in the basements to slip junk in, and they do.
Maybe you are being sarcastic? As if the "reps" actually read the laws before voting?

Undo what Wilson did

deacon's picture

heh heh heh

it was sarcasm,to the fullest extent
i know they read nothing before a vote
you have to pass this bill before you can see whats in it
and yes,they just stick things in,and no one even knows(at first)
I think most are just to stupid to be able to read,they just do what they are told by their owners
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

fireant's picture

LOL, you had me for a minute.

And I love to dish out sarcasm, then fall victim...funny.

Undo what Wilson did

deacon's picture

i fall for that myself

I find myself more sarcastic every day
and still fall for it at times :)
have a nice day my friend
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Bingo!

Give that man a prize!

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deacon's picture

as good as can be expected

when 2 of my enemies came for a visit and haven't left.
rain.dampness and the heat!! in my world,they do not mix
loved your comment,left me with a smile
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence