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Turn Your Back This Fourth of July

In a few days, we will all have an opportunity to peacefully inflict a major psychological blow on the rapidly coalescing police state by the simple but powerful act of refusing to play along with the absurd pantomime on the 4th of July that we live in an even nominally free country – one with the rule of law, an operative Constitution and respect for individual rights. One that isn’t a thugocracy.

We can turn our backs on the flag. Decline to participate when urged to cheer and sing. No fireworks. No barbeques. We can sit down – and bow our heads.

We can mention the unmentionable: That there is no longer any meaningful limit to the power of the government over our lives. No line beyond which it may not tread. That it lies, spies and tyrannizes. We can admit to ourselves the shoddy – and frightening – reality bubbling up all around us.

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Lies, Spies, Tyrannize

bumper stickers - look good on my ride !

Please call it "Independence Day" ...

... because "4th of July" is a subconscious psychological trick to cheapen the significance.

Sure, the current government would not pass the test of the Declaration of Independence, but still those people did an amazing thing 200+ years ago regardless of all the various agendas at work.

To tell the state to f**k off is a great lesson from history, as well as the primary reason America became a great place within a few generations.

I say burn the rag.

I can't believe how many worship it. What it supposedly stands for never existed. What it does stand for is our enslavement. And since it is enmity to GOD I say drag it through the mud, throw feces on it and burn it. People who love it are idiots and will probably end up burning themselves.

Only after you wipe with it

It should serve SOME useful purpose, if only once.

Leges sine moribus vanae

Blast Rage Against and Ron Paul Speeches During The Parties

Carry or wear something with the Distress Flag too. Hand out some tracts with our message!

It's a very accurate symbol, a sign a distress

Here's what I think and wrote last 4th of July:
The 4th of July is sad day because it should mean something but it doesn't anymore. Somehow, between 4th of Julys throughout many many years, the American people willfully gave away every last bit of what they celebrate.

All over America, licensed drivers and their legal spouses will leave their heavily taxed homes and travel in their government approved vehicles to government owned parks to watch licensed technicians launch regulated pyrotechnics into the air; as long as they make it through the security checkpoint. And call it a celebration of freedom!

http://www.dailypaul.com/243073/why-the-4th-of-july-is-a-sad...

I agree. If I could hang a flag, that's how it would be flown.

Not to mention getting time off, (or not) from their taxing labor (pun intended!) to simply take a break. The fireworks are also likely to be at least 'city' Government sponsored, and of course, because of 'regulations' they 'have to' be made in China. Can't trust Americans to make fireworks, Oh Nooo, They might use them for a 2nd American Revolution!

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I never actually had to go

I never actually had to go through a security checkpoint to see the fireworks. Sure, they have officers around, but they just mostly direct traffic where I go.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

What happened to

Adam Kokesh's armed march on state capitols?

!!!!!!******HELL NO******!!!!!!

I will not turn my back on the US flag. It represents liberty at its finest.

I will not turn my back on July 4th. It marks a historical occasion where people put their lives on the line so their children will have a free and better future.

I will not turn my back on this country. Despite our numerous flaws and quickly sinking liberty it is still my country and I will do my damn best to teach people what we are losing.

I will turn my back on people like you.

Any US 'greatness' beyond the windfall accompanying

the expropriation of Native American lands was due totally to the weakness of government. They lacked only the power to be Pharisees. The Income Tax and the Federal Reserve gave them that power.

Leges sine moribus vanae

I Hear Ya

... and I agree with most of the constructive suggestions to spread the message positively. However, in order to slap awake those who supinely submit to the politics of obedience may well require deliberate provocation of a non-diplomatic sort.

But I share the following because I feel we need to hear more unflinchingly adamant screeds like the following (which, btw, I don't regard as hyperbole):

"So, keep waving your blood-drenched flag, keep saluting, keep sycophantically pandering to authority, keep those programs that have been driven into your skulls your whole life reinforced and repeating, repeating, repeating, like a broken record in your head, and exiting out your mouth.

I still do not support what U.S. troops are doing anywhere around the world.

They are enforcing mass murder campaigns and have pledged their allegiance to psychopaths. They're not doing these things on behalf of American citizens - this is a lie. It's the same lie that was told to the German people about 75 years ago. "

http://www.sott.net/article/263412-Flag-Waving-Troop-Support...

Is this the

Land of the Free? ...not anymore.

Home of the Brave? ...apparently not.

So what are we supposed to be celebrating again?

What it once was?

And what it can be restored to?

What kind of BS

is this? Hate the Tyrants in Government, not the Flag and country ! Hate the Wars, not the soldiers..sheesh Some of you Dolts need some serious therapy and some soul searching to boot you hating POS's !
Totally DRUNK on your own stupidity!....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

I don't think this is the way to spread a message

I do believe that we have serious problems, and that "we are not OK". However, turning your back on the flag at the 4th of July is not going to win you any friends. It is your right to do it, I just don't think it is a good approach. The flag symbolizes the entire country, and the entire country is not at fault.

A better approach would be to focus on issues. As Ron Paul said: liberty is popular. Many people will solute the flag, while still agreeing with you that we have a wasteful and out of control federal government. I firmly believe that the majority of Americans are libertarians, it is just that many don't know it yet. Liberty is what the 4th of July was about in the first place.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

oh the trolls

love their holidays like good little indoctrinated lame-o's.

Oh the Jihadists HATE our holidays

and love to HATE our celebrations from their propegandist BS.

Whistles

I'm wearing a whistle everywhere.

No one has asked about it, yet. More of us have to do it.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Water bottles

A lot of politicians march in their local 4th of July Parade, some will even pass out water bottles with a slogan if their re-election is coming up soon.
I think this is a great time to educate and infiltrate the masses.
I think this offers "LIBERTY" minded individuals a grand opportunity to pass out brochures, stickers, balloons, pocket constitutions, or even water bottles with the bill of rights...2nd or 4th amendments.
There is tons of depressing news everyday, and I think this is and should always remain a joyful event, therefore, I will dress in my best yankee doodle garb, flag scarf, etc. Eat some watermelon and enjoy the fireworks. Being negative on Independence Day will only make the heat more intolerable, and not accomplish anything.

I disagree with this post.

I disagree with this post.

The fourth of July is about remembering our struggle and victory from England. It is a remembrance of the past, not a party for the future.

United States Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776

I always look at it in historical remembrance, Independence Day, not Happy 4th of July.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_(United_States)

The Declaration of Independence is a statement adopted by the Continental Congress on July 4, 1776, which announced that the thirteen American colonies, then at war with Great Britain, regarded themselves as independent states, and no longer a part of the British Empire. Instead they now formed a new nation—the United States of America. John Adams was a leader in pushing for independence, which was unanimously approved on July 2. A committee had already drafted the formal declaration, to be ready when congress voted on independence.

Adams persuaded the committee to select Thomas Jefferson to compose the original draft of the document,which congress would edit to produce the final version. The Declaration was ultimately a formal explanation of why Congress had voted on July 2 to declare independence from Great Britain, more than a year after the outbreak of the American Revolutionary War. The national birthday, the Independence Day is celebrated on July 4, although Adams wanted July 2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_I...

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_enlistment

There is no duration defined in the Oath

What a bunch of unpatriotic drivel

Here comes the black cloud to rain on everyone's parade with anti-American flags in search of HATE AMERICA like mindedness.. dducky is actiually having a feast day over this..

You guys have LOST YOUR WAY in your apathetic reaction to propeganda you buy as if toilet paper was napkins.

Ron and Rand Paul would not be waving your ridiculous NATE AMERICAN BS flag. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7u6d54jI4k

Whatever Granger

Have fun waiving your American flag that was made in China, while you shoot off colorful explosives that were also made in China (our banker) With Fiat Petro-dollars that only have value because we slaughter innocent people in the middle east and install oppressive puppet dictators against the will of the natives.

You may get choked up over that...holding your hand over your heart with a single tear running down your cheek, but I am ashamed of it. This is NOT what America is. We have become the new Evil Empire...

"I am Troll fighter, number one"

-Ernest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxWb-ViejPg

Just curious...

are you suggesting we shouldn't consume goods (or at least reluctantly consume goods) that were produced in China?

Try putting together an argument for why we shouldn't consume goods from China that wouldn't also suggest we shouldn't consume oranges from Florida, corn from Iowa, oil from Texas, or grapes from California.

To me, bashing goods from China has simply become another trendy way to display complete economic ignorance.

BTW, the people who voted up this comment are also free to weigh in here.

When did i say that?

I was using it to point out the fact that we are not free and that we are not sovereign. I was saying that to illustrate China OWNS us and then turns around and sells us the tools we use to celebrate our "Freedom"....It is ironic to me that's all...

So No I am not anti-trade with China.

"I am Troll fighter, number one"

-Ernest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxWb-ViejPg

True, you didn't say that....

which is why I asked you if that was what are suggesting.

Having such a huge debt, in my opinion, is the primary problem here. The fact that one country owns a large portion of that debt, is also a problem, but a subsequent problem to the debt itself. Consuming goods made by that country is not a problem at all, but a blessing.

We're in agreement then: our debt undermines our sovereignty, and there's nothing wrong with consuming Chinese goods or trade with China. I'm glad we cleared that up, because after reading your original post, you definitely appear to mix-in some populist "anti-China-products" rhetoric to try to make your point.

Here goes...

Money spent on Chinese goods inevitably leaves the country draining our economy while bolstering theirs.

When you buy American made goods you exchange money (purchasing power) for a physical product (wealth). It's an even exchange. The purchaser gets a product which has value as an asset. The creators of the product get their money back (plus a little more) that they can then reinvest or use to purchase other goods and services in this country, repeat, repeat, repeat... This creates economic growth and adds wealth in the form of capital to our country and We The People.

Here's a micro example. I'm one of the owners of a General Store in my area. Let's say I buy and stock my shelves with nothing but Chinese goods. Most of that money I spent goes to China where a large portion of it will be reinvested in China. On the other hand, if I buy from only local producers that money goes back to those who might buy my products or services.

It only seems like common sense to me that you should buy from those that you would like to (or are most likely to) sell to. Rational self-interest is the driving force behind capitalism.

I do concede that I didn't really meet this parameter of your challenge, "that wouldn't also suggest we shouldn't consume oranges from Florida..." However, when applied to my argument I believe it becomes fallacious (reductio ad absurdum.) I'm not saying that I only want to trade with my wife or neighbors. There is also always the issue of scarcity.

Let's keep the rational in rational self-interest.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

eh...you're missing half of it

First, thanks for an honest attempt to answer the question.

I think you're incorrectly understanding what happens during an exchange.

Let me first see if I understand your argument: You're saying that the buyer exchanges his purchasing power for the value of the asset, while the seller does the reverse...BUT that the seller actually gains a little because the purchasing power he receives is a little more than the cost to create the asset, and that extra gain (profit) is how wealth is created. Therefore, it makes more sense for the buyer to want to give this profit (wealth gains) to people that are more likely to buy from him in the future and thus giving him a chance to gain wealth as the future seller.

The glaring error in that, is that BOTH the buyer and seller gain their respective wealth from a transaction, not just the seller. The value to the buyer of the asset he buys is always going to be more than the purchasing power he gives for it, or he wouldn't do the exchange. Therefore, the self interest of the buyer is to maximize his wealth gain right now from the purchase, which leads me to my second critique of your argument...

Not all sellers are created equal in the eye of the buyer, the main difference being the price for which the sellers will sell the goods. Obviously, the buyer is going to look for the lowest price, because that maximizes his wealth gains from the transaction. You seem to assume that the buyer can buy from any seller and it doesn't make any difference to him. Of course if all other things are equal, he might prefer to do business with people close to him...but all other things aren't equal. Iowa can produce cheaper corn, Florida can produce cheaper oranges, and China can produce cheaper manufactured goods. Therefor, it's in the buyers interest to buy Iowa corn, Florida oranges, and China manufactured goods.

Going further, some argue that China's low cost is different than Florida's, because it's artificially created by monetary policy and Chinese laws that encourage exports at the expense of domestic consumption. Even so, this policy ends up hurting China and benefiting their customers. China ends up making a bunch of stuff for others and consuming very little themselves. That's a bum deal! Much better to be the recipient who gets to consume China's stuff at artificially low prices paid for by loss of wealth of Chinese citizens.

I'll do that

While you burn your American flag made in the USA, shoot off your whistle made in Pakistan, and drive around in your petrol dependent car with peace stickers, and challenging the police as if they were your enemy.

America is what it is, because people like you don't get off their asses and change it from inside.

We have NOT become the new evil empire.. unless you're a jihadist http://justpiper.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/AmericansWeA...