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Ralph Nader: The Duty Of Lawyers

by Ralph Nader | Huffington Post

What happens when the rule of law increasingly bows to the whims and violations of unaccountable public officials?

In the United States, we are seeing the rule of law eroded by those at the top levels of our government. We are witnessing the dismantling of the guiding principles of justice and the rule of law. Our legal system has been gamed to preferentially serve the needs of the few rather than those of the many.

The rule of law should be a persistent guard against -- rather than an instrument of -- unfair advantage or injustice for those with power, money and influence.

Our elected officials have failed in their duty to uphold the rule of law. This malfeasance has led to secret law, secret courts, secret evidence, secret budgets and secret prisons under the guise of "national security." There is surveillance of attorney-client communications, unauditable secret expenditures for foreign military exploits, dragnet snooping of electronic and telephone data and even redacted published judicial decisions.

Habeas corpus has been tarnished by the inhumane and unjust treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo Bay including many already cleared by the government but still jailed. Infinite detention has tarnished our legal system. Some dictocrats even argue that American citizens should be subjected to indefinite imprisonment.

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He makes some good points but...

Coming from Ralph Nader it is hard to not think he is just self promoting: you young whippersnappers just never did as much as him. Why, he killed the Corvair for freedom! Or something.

The sad truth is that there aren't a lot of ways to make a living fighting for causes and student loans force lawyers to go where they get paid. And, most ofmthemproblems he details are problems with the political process that derive from citizen apathy. Until people care enough to vote for Ron Paul or other liberty candidates, they won't care enough to give to causes that promote liberty. The ACLU can only do so much.

And many lawyers don't have a love for justice or for liberty. They have a love for prestige and pay checks. I suspect similar criticisms can be made of doctors and accountants and toll booth operators.

The system functions poorly because the average man doesn't care, and until he does, lawyers aren't going to have the clout to stop the rot.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Excellent Comment

For Realz - you have a better grasp on the problem than most I know.

Gene Louis
http://www.survivaloftheslickest.com/
Supporting a Needed Tool for Government Feedback:
A Citizen-Operated Legal System.

You don't KNOW Nader

Nader began very conservative.. while at Princton, he was driving slowly, when a old man on a bicycle popped out of nowhere and Nader hit him. That old man was no less than Albert Einstein. The accident deeply affected Nader who has refused to drive ever since, and what sparked him to attempt to come up with safe cars at any speed..

Nader is brilliant.. and his idea was that people should be government on levels outside the government.. like seal of good housekeeping should be a competitive business. He rebuked Jummy Carter who wanted Nader to run with him as VP.. nader refused to join any party.. and he thought Nixon would understand his ideas.. EPA, OSHA FOIA are all Nader's ideas.. Nader went to Nixon thinking Nixon would respect the free market. Nader was wrong. Nixon made them government departments.

Nader's public citizen was a place one could go to actually get help when all else failed. He's a lot like Ron Paul.. he has a great message, but somehom get's screwed by the very people who he associates.

I worked with Nader on three elections. He convinced me to leave the Libertarian Party in 92 and become an Indy. Like Ron Paul, one has to study Nader to understand Nader.. he takes a learning curve, and also like Ron Paul he brings the right and left together.

Nader thought seat be;lts shouyld be optional, not a mandetory government law. Nader has been censored, words twisted, and the shame is that he has brilliant ideas. Why not lose the government EPA and do what Nader suggested in the first place.. have many businesses competing to bew the best EPA on the private sector?

"Unreasonable Man" is a good bio. As for the corvaire.. it's a pretty old and lame excuse to hate Nader for.

like I said

he means well but favors the nanny state.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Lawyers can make a difference IF

They are willing to truly examine Real Law. I define Real Law as Laws are only Law when they do not violate any other Law. Just like scientific law the rule of real law requires that no law violate any other law. All laws must be logically congruent and consistent. Many "lawyers" and most of We the People have completely forgotten this foundational concept in law.

Using this real standard of Law means we need to return to the roots of Law to examine every detail of "precedent" to find those "interpretations" that have no logically congruent way to not violate any other law and completely reject them by demonstrating their logical conflicts and setting precedent of they're incongruences. Going back to Maxims of Law can demonstrate clear logical fallacies in the current "policy" that has been incorrectly excepted as valid "law". Maxims such as:

An [court] action is not given to one who is not injured

An act does not make a man a criminal, unless his intention be criminal

No one can sue in the name of another

An act of the court shall prejudice no one

When the plaintiff does not prove his case, the defendant is absolved

If one falsely accuses another of a crime, the punishment due to that crime should be inflicted upon the perjured informer

He who seeks equity must do equity

Going back to the Maxims in Law and working our up through Common Law, American Organic Law, Constitutional Law, and Statutory Law to ensure logical congruency and lawful application is the proper path to protect the rule of law but most seem to be lost in a sea of corrupted policy and case law with no real understanding of what Law actually means.

The right to face our accusers, accusers being liable for their accusations and all just powers (powers of justice) being from the consent of the governed gives us a foundation to begin to challenge the jurisdiction of courts on every pre-emptive action government makes without consent of an accuser who is the governed NOT the "government". This challenge is at the very root of law and determines whether the power of accusation is in their hands or ours. The criminally corrupt men and women claiming that the accusation is in their limited liability capacity are the ones who actively usurp our law with their unlawful lust for power without any liability for their own actions. This is the source of corruption we need to root out and bring justice to those who unlawfully wish to sever liability for their own actions. Not by suing the STATE but by criminally or civilly accusing the full liability men and women who cannot identify the principle accuser they were acting in agency for.

I have examined in detail the time courts have, how many cases they process, and even calculated from empirical court room data the dollars per minute they make on their acts of felony extortion fraud and overall racketeering in order to determine the financial and temporal breaking point of the criminal rackets claiming to be "court" and you would be amazed at how few people knowledgably standing up for their rights is required to completely financially and temporally break these criminal rackets. It is literally less than .1% of the population for these criminal gangs to hit the impenetrable Law of Nature called TIME. There criminal acts is what enables We the People to show them that what they are doing is not law because it is not lawfully congruent within ALL law including the law of TIME.

The problem for BAR certified attorneys is that they will loose their BAR card if they challenge the jurisdiction of the court. If there are any attorney's out there who don't believe me then try it and see what happens. I have discussed this with attorneys in Florida and more than one has told me explicitly that the Florida BAR has sent notifications to BAR attorneys warning that they will lose their BAR card for certain types of challenges. These challenges are the certain ones they cannot counter with any logic and so the BAR just resorts to more extortion and monopoly to ensure they are the sole interpreters of "law".

The people can learn the law, find the logical conflicts and definitions of the crimes they are committing and then proceed ask strategic questions, on the record, to every criminal claiming to be "law enforcement" or "Officer of the Court" to actually get them to admit to exact definitions of crimes. I do this all the time and the system is corrupted that it is actually easy to get them to admit to exact code definitions of felony crimes on the record. This demonstrates the corrupted operation of their mind and can gain evidence to mens rea which then gives us a valid cause of action to bring felony criminal accusations against the men colorably claiming to be in the limited liability veil of the "office". We can take this evidence to our Grand juries to seek indictments, wire taps, search warrants and resource allocation for broader investigations and thorough justice. When we examine that Article 1 section 10 of the US Constitution is being violated by every state bureaucrat accepting Federal Reserve Notes for pay for activities they claim under the their Constitutional contractual capacity with a binding obligation in contrast to FRNs then we can realize that the scope of actions we can bring for common law breach of breach of duty at minimum against the men/women claiming that capacity.

As we begin to systemically and asymmetrically seek justice through our Grand Juries we can even expand our criminal investigations into the BAR itself if BART certified attorneys bring forth evidence of conspiracy to usurp our laws. The Grand Juries can begin to proper investigate with wire taps and subpoenas to root out the control usurpers who wish to maintain a criminal enterprise of wrongful pecuniary advantage based on usurpations that enable any action without accusers being liable for their accusations. This is real law and we can begin to exercise this right now. In fact the more tyranny they commit against the worse off the criminals are because they will give the valid cause of action we need to accept liability for our accusations and bring them to proper and swift justice.

Americans who seek the rule of law should really consider funding local unarmed well regulated militias of individuals who's full time job it is to be full liability accusers and investigators to route these people out. Funding these activities will be much more effective than any political campaigns. These funds could be well monitored and utilized to build independent investigatory tools for building criminal case files and dossier database of all criminals in government with associated threat levels. This would be there worst nightmare because this would be the first step in returning to the rule of law and self-governance.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

See above

For sovereign citizen gibberish courtesy of phreedom. Did he mention he has all the answers? It's true! Just ask him!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I figured this would drag you

out of the shadows. Going to call me names again instead of debating the facts.

Its clear Daveisskeptical/SecretGubermintAgent/Bonelesschicken rancher/For Realz can't stand for real protections of law. That might effect his buddies racket.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

You completely lost

Just a case in point: you say that lawyers cannot challenge the jurisdiction of the court. Poppycock. They do it all the time. A lawyer who advances frivolous arguments (cough straw man cough) is likely to have a tough go of things, and I suspect you tried to talk some lawyer into making some nonsense arguments but was refused. Instead of realizing your theory was bunk, you instead confirmed to yourself that they're all out to git ya.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Attorneys cannot challenge on certain

jurisdictional issues. Not across the board just the really important precedent setting ones.

I witnessed a case in Florida where a bar member was sent explicitly by the Florida Supreme Court to be the "public defender" for a man who knew the fraud that was going on charged with possession of cannabis. I witness this BAR member spend 3 courts dates attempting to force himself as this man's "public defender" against the man's will. He and other attorneys in the court told us he was explicitly sent at the request of the Florida Supreme Court and Bar to take control of the case. This "arraignment" went on for 1 year and 3 months with over 15 different "court" dates, had three different judges preside over the case, more than one public defender attempt to force being the man's "public defender", and over a half dozen assistant state attorneys attempt to handle the case. ALL of them got owned! The bar member who was sent by the Supreme Court literally tried to physically start a fight with me in the court house after he was stating directly to the man in the case that there was no answer and he would have to keep coming back to the "court" FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE! I pointed out this attorney's failure in understanding real law and he couldn't handle it and got in my face and started yelling and pushing m right inside the courthouse. I told him that I did not need to fight him because his criminal racket was toast because we now definitively know the criminal fraud they are committing.

I have the entire certified case file and the originals from the man himself along with all his notes from the case. He gave them to me because I promised I would keep them safe and I have. I was there to witnesses the case because of divine intervention and I went to every court date this man had. I knew nothing of any of the fraud he pointed out in this case before I witnessed this complete circus by the court. The court and State got destroyed and they knew it. This man even filed signed papers explicitly telling the Judge and the Assistant State Attorney that he would have criminal charges filed against them if they did not return the cannabis that the officer stole from him. So here you have a case of possession of cannabis where the man admitted to have cannabis and threaten to have them charged with felonies and he WON with a Nolle Pros. When it came time to get his cannabis they said they could not return it because they had a mix up in the evidence room and the cannabis had been accidentally destroyed.

I knew some attorneys in town already and I took the information to them and they told me about the letters from the bar. Some even told me about the Bates number on the birth certificates and that they knew the banks where doing this fraud and that the courts do indeed operate on the corporate person NOT the man/woman. I have these people names and dossiers on the individuals involved. We even had state undercover agents show up at a hooka bar we were at one night during this time period and a young attorney (you could tell he was their bright young star attorney from the public defenders office) come try to befriend us and go through the logic. We informed him we were aware of who is and what he was doing and proceeding to debate for 3 hours. That guy left horrified and completely destroyed. His dream of working for the good side in law was destroyed in that moment and it was obvious. This did not help the court and really sent a ripple throughout the entire court locally.

I could tell you much more details and others I know around the country who have gone much further some even to the point where they now have a signed letter from the local judge letting the police know that they are liable for their actions against them because they are aware of their rights. These are people who do not have driver's licenses or plates and they have won so many times in court that Judges have provided them letters informing the police of their duty. There are even groups now doing practice court sessions all as free community meetings. So you theory you have touted in the past on DP about this being some fraud scheme for profit is WRONG. This is the people reawakening to what equality and equal justice under the law actually means.

You always think that I am some guy trying to "sell" this stuff when that is not the case at all. I have witnessed many cases, won myself over 5 times and read enough history and case law to know that most "courts" are indeed operating as criminal fraud and extortion rackets. It is a fact and if you can't see that then you are not understanding the implications of them presuming the applicability of code to the "person".

The ADL loves to confuse with their training because the only real game is getting the men/women claiming to be the "court" to have predetermined responses of rejection triggered as a "sovereign citizen" argument. These are brainwashing induced programs they install into their minds with key word triggers defining the activities with the intent of pre-emptively and strategically making the arguments "frivolous". You can think this is paranoid but this is exactly what is happening. The ADL is corrupting their minds in order to not examine all law for logical congruency. The ADL knows what they are doing. I think it is clear you fell for the ADL's brainwashing. I saw your post about how you have used their consolidated case law to beat sovereigns in court. It seems you don't realize how these people usurp our laws and the very logic of law itself. You fell for the "I am winning" thing of the ego while you are destroying case law precedent and killing liberty. Your arrogant ego seems to have deceived yourself.

To the rest of you out there. Don't let it deceive you. You can see how most of the "conspiracy theorists" out there were right the whole time and no one listen to them. Same goes for the real sovereigns who truly understand that equality includes equal liability. Liberty is owned by each individual and that includes one's time. If anyone takes your time unjustly (from the consent of the governed) then they have harmed you and you know have a valid cause of action to bring remedy for your loss no mastter who they are or what capacity they claim to be in. Don't let the corrupt money/power hungry BAR/Law Enforcement/Courts make you believe that they are somehow more equal than you. They are operating bound to contractual obligations and you may or may not be depending on who owns the time you are operating in. Figure it out because everything is on the line and You are fully liable whether you believe this or not.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Incredible claims

Require a high level of proof. Are we supposed to just take your word for it? I know that a great deal of what you wrote is false simply because there is no "straw man" theory anywhere to be found in legal teachings or law books. Ergo, the idea that lawyers are buying into it is doubtful. In years of practice I have never known a lawyer buy this stuff because it is idiotic make believe non law. It is always a pro per litigant on their way to slowly losing who does the sov run mumbo jumbo defense. Always.

Other than the general ethical prohibition on making frivolous arguments simply to waste time and frustrate the court's functioning, attorneys have no limit on making jurisdictional arguments. It would not surprise me if in some states or jurisdictions they do seek to discipline a lawyer if that lawyer foments nonsensical arguments such as "I am not my person" or "I didn't commit the crime, my corporate personage did" or whatever. (As I've stated in other threads, you may disagree with my verbiage but I am not trying to master your "magic word" gibberish language as it serves no useful purpose other than causing idiots to lose in Court).

Whatever happened to the idea that if one is "innocent" then just arguing the facts? If one doesn't like the law, deal with the legislature on it! But don't show up in court and argue nonsense and say everyone is a "criminal" for enforcing the laws as they exist. First of all, it's a losing battle, and second of all, it demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of our government - which goes to the root of most sovrun gibberish theories, by the way.

I do believe the part about the state trying to appoint a pd to defend a guy who was rambling sov run gibberish. I am sure the guy lost, but we'll never know, and this story is coming from you- one who says he lost a case even though he won it, or how did you put it - that you "lost" even though you "destroyed their logic". (In your world one can apparently have a complete, 100% black and white victory and yet still lose in the eyes of the system).

There have been cases in the national news ( so not top secret at all) where, in jurisdictions that allow marijuana (or med marijuana) and police confiscate it, that police departments have been ordered to return it to people. But that has and never did have anything to do with sov run mumbo jumbo. It was merely return of property after it was determined there was no crime. Sure policemen might tamper with evidence and be corrupt and even steal pot - that is no big surprise to a libertarian. But none of that has anything to do with "jurisdiction" or with your sov citizen nonsense.

I suspect you however have nothing to do with any such cases and merely read about them in the news as I did.

You are just seeing what you want to see, even if the obvious answers are pretty clear. Instead of being enlightened and on some higher plane as you describe yourself, it's actually pathetic and you're just wrong.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Your straw man is a straw man

I NEVER have mentioned any "straw man" theory and you won't hear me mention that. Straw man does have an explicit place in law but it has nothing to do with a what I am talking about. You mentioned "straw man" so this is your straw man fallacy. This is how the ADL writes people's minds with the information they transfer into their neural nets. You fell for it and it has clearly corrupted your logically consistent and rational mental operation. This seems clear from your constant diversion into the "sovereign citizen" box the ADL put a bow on and put in front of you.

By the way the case I mentioned goes much deeper and has many more aspects to the story but that is way too long for here. I can say this that that man is not the only one who won in this particular situation. There were 5 people total who all won all on possession of cannabis and NO there is NO medical cannabis in Florida. Most won in a matter of minutes due to the fraud explicitly pointed out verbally right out of the gate and the court issued a nolle pros immediately. They did not do that with this particular man because he formally filed paperwork with a series of demands for redress. I must say though that watching the court get dominated at every level on this was absolutely one of the most enjoyable experiences of my life. The criminals literally blew their lids and completely lost their composure to the point of a total melt down in the middle of the court. Red faced, yelling at the judge to throw the man in jail, bursting out of the courtroom, I mean a TOTAL meltdown by the assistant state attorney. They could not stand the fact that this early twenties, part-time ac repairman and drummer was maintaining his freedom in a way that only the judges and older more senior level attorneys could understand.

If you think this story is incredible you would be completely blown out of your seat if you heard the rest of my experiences in political activism prior to this. I have had the modern-day cointel pro activities carried out against me for organizing over 10,000 people to take over my University Student Government in order to shut it down over the 9-11, war and drug war issues. I had intel on a whole other level that even led to private invites to meet with certain US senators and other state reps. I was literally getting intel sent to me from not only from university, city and state insiders at the local and state level but also international investigative reporters and non-profit watchdogs due to the strategic positioning I was in. And I dropped the mind bombs from hell on the Dems in Florida over the illegal voting fraud that was completely uncovered. Believe me most people don't realize what actually happened with the voting in Florida and it was much worse than you think. Lets put it this way. Bill McBride who ran against Jeb is one of the Attorneys who worked for Holland and Knight who was the NAACP's law firm that settle with the State to KEEP illegally removed voters OFF the voter roles even after the court settlement where the State admitted to the voters illegally removed from the voter roles. NAACP got paid and agreed to keep voters off the voter roles illegally, the State paid the NAACP, Bill McBride helped craft keeping (mainly minority) voters off the voter roles, the minorities read that NAACP had victory and Bill McBride became the candidate that most minorities worked very hard to put against Jeb. The very man who made sure he would and the dems would lose is who the volunteers were working to win the election all the while not even knowing this whole history of a setup to intentionally lose. I exposed the details in private meetings with Senator Dodd (he was down in FL testing the waters for presidency), the Chairman of Florida Dems, State senators and house reps, along with all of their statewide volunteers. I was not dem but they thought they could put me in their little blue box and they FAILED big time. Senator Dodd left early and the Chairman got owned and the volunteers boiled over to the point that they dropped everything in the campaign to investigate how they could have been defrauded so badly by the very people they were working directly with. I was positioned so strategically at this time I even had a couple of discussions with Nader during this time period of activism.

I gotta tell you I really have some good stories. I have been busy. I know what its like when the NAZI style control freak agents show up, break in your house, tap your phones and emails, put viruses on your computer, disable your vehicles, put your private info out to biker gang thugs who attack your public events, commit voter fraud to stop a movement, send violent thugs into private parties and physically injure many people only to have the police say they are not going to arrest the people apprehended committing the violence and threaten to arrest those injured if any action was demanded, working and LEAVING the work with scientists who were working to put 2MW directed microwave beams in space to basically pop someone's head like a pimple (not quite but close artificial aneurisms definitely) anywhere on earth via centralized computer control systems and on and on. I could definitely blow your mind with pure truth of my experiences for sure!

I also know what its like to have criminal insiders in the university itself making academic records disappear, holding up university/corporate research and develop partnerships, illegally changing financial records, arbitrarily taking possession of private property vehicles and much much more.

All of my experience is why I know that politics will not work. Politics will not secure our liberty because the level of awareness required to really know what's going on is not within the will of 99% of the people. The only thing natural about politics is the polypeptides released into ones bloodstream that feed the cells their needs for emotional highs and lows. It does nothing in the end for securing liberty and everything for destroying liberty. I know because I have been there done that. What I learned is that if you stick your head up too high they will come and attempt to harass the crap out of you, deceive you, corrupt you, violently attack you or even kill you. The more effective you are the more of a target you become.

The courts are different entirely from politics and the courts is where our real power is (if the officers of the court egos don't take over truth and make EVERYTHING frivolous except what they say). But this power can be only be properly exercised if we understand what law actually is and how the law works.

You said:
"Whatever happened to the idea that if one is "innocent" then just arguing the facts? If one doesn't like the law, deal with the legislature on it! But don't show up in court and argue nonsense and say everyone is a "criminal" for enforcing the laws as they exist. "

The corrupt men claiming to be "officers of the court" corrupted that process and accepted the unlawful notion that a plant can be made unlawful. This is insane, totally corrupt, and a complete abomination of Law itself. The fallacy of a plant being lawful or not being dependent upon another man's decision is only one extreme example of the complete failure of both the legislature and the courts to understand what law is. The fact that "law enforcement agents" do not name the principle they are acting in agency to demonstrates another extreme failure in understanding the law of agency and their bound duty. Corrupt men claiming they decide if a jury can try a class of criminal cases demonstrates a complete breach of their contractual duty. The fact that they breach article 1 section 10 by using violent force, threats, fear, intimidation to force the People to pay them in an unlawful tender represents another breach of their contractual duty and represents criminal acts and corruption. So yes what ever happened to actually having facts presented by an accuser who is facing you in a court in front of a jury demonstrating their valid cause (a cause that is not frivolous because it meets all required elements of a valid cause of action) for being in the court in the first place? What happened? You tell me, you are the one claiming to be a lawyer. What the hell happened??? I say your minds' got corrupted just like a computer gets corrupted when garbage data and instructions are input. Garbage in -> Garbage out

As far as the legislature. They are suppose to re-present information presented to them. Every time I have presented to my so called "representative" they have re-presented the exact opposite of my presentation. What about the fact that they voluntarily signed up for the prohibitions and limited scope of their agency in the contract of the Constitution but yet they are the ones who made "laws" claiming a plant cannot be possessed or that they can spy on us whenever they want or that they can imprison or kill anyone without due process? What the hell happened to these insane lunatics? Clearly they cannot be trusted. When one thoroughly examines the entire voting process and how fraudulent the whole thing is and how controlled the media is and the impenetrable artificial barrier to third fourth fifth parties created by the "money" masters, the complete slimebaggery of the highest order with the political scene and the complete and utter ignorance of the American populace combined with TPTB mass intelligence grid, I'd say politics is about the absolute worst thing someone can do to protect liberty. Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results is what again?

So I suggest you reconsider your hard stance on whatever it is you think that law is because you have clearly demonstrated that you do not understand that all men are created equal also means equal liability. That just powers (powers of justice) of Government is derived from the consent of the governed. The government has only been tasked with protecting life liberty and happiness. How can they be protecting these things and taking them away at the same time all without claiming any liability for their own self-initiated colorable actions outside the bounds of their contractually bound agency EVER be considered lawful in any way. If you think law is anything else then you are deluding yourself into the land of logical fallacies which are easy to make you trip over your own words and arguments due to the inherent logical hierarchy of law. Did you ever consider that there are valid sovereign arguments that are not anything the ADL has touched? Why is it that in every case I find that 100% of the cases who win always have no consent issued and 100% of the cases that lose have some form of consent? This is where my research into case law has arrived and it is so eerily consistent that only deeper explanations into Common, Natural and even Divine law must come into play. It is way to consistent; literally 100% for both scenarios. Once you realize the nature of consent this is the only real thing you need to look for then you can see how they commit the entire fraud upon the population. It is all very simple not complicated. The usurpers and useful idiots made it complicated with millions of pages of code which ends up being little more that codified corruption itself because the very root of law is misunderstood by the individuals due to their corrupted operation.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

gee

all that happened to you? Did you get your superman cape dirty? If you wrote something remotely believable and not full of hyperbole, it might help its credibility. But also, since I work in the system, it becomes really easy for me to detect exaggeration and hyperbole and fantasy, and I rather suspect after reading enough of your posts that you dwell firmly in those realms.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I loooove Ralph

Nader! He is on a par with Ron Paul as far as I am concerned -- a man of integrity. A bit goofy (as is Ron Paul to a lesser degree), but honest, real and knowledgeable as heck. That is the type we need. No more plastic, pandering, picture-perfect Kens or Barbies, please!

He means well

But he favors a nanny state and always has.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

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Bump for all the lawyers here (if we have any)

And if not, for everyone who knows a lawyer - pass this article along.

We need to get people deployed. The problem is everyone needs to "make a living," which doesn't leave much time for any of us to spend time maintaining our liberties. By systematically devaluing our currency, the Fed makes this a reality.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

The Constitution is a DYI

Use it to keep out of trouble until counsel arrives.

Carl Miller discusses the basis for the rule of law.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s-zHrNPfkQ

If their were a 100 million who could argue the Constitution pro se, the little white dot would be overwhelmed.

Free includes debt-free!

translation please :D

What is "DYI"?

What is "the little white dot"?

DYI should have been Do It Yourself.

The tiny dot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs

Sorry about the confusion.

Free includes debt-free!