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"EU is a target - U.S. bugged EU offices, computer networks" - new revelations to German press by Snowden

(Reuters) 29 June 2013 - The United States has bugged European Union offices and gained access to EU internal computer networks, according to secret documents cited in a German magazine on Saturday, the latest in a series of exposures of alleged U.S. spy programs.

Der Spiegel quoted from a September 2010 "top secret" U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) document that it said fugitive former NSA contractor Edward Snowden had taken with him, and the weekly's journalists had seen in part. The document outlines how the NSA bugged offices and spied on EU internal computer networks in Washington and at the United Nations, not only listening to conversations and phone calls but also gaining access to documents and emails.

According to Der Spiegel, the NSA also targeted telecommunications at the Justus Lipsius building in Brussels, home to the European Council, the collective of EU national governments...Each EU member state has rooms in Justus Lipsius with phone and internet connections, which ministers can use.

The document explicitly called the EU a "target".

Martin Schulz, the president of the European Parliament, said that if the report was correct, it would have a "severe impact" on relations between the EU and the United States.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/29/us-usa-eu-spying-i...?

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I'm waiting for Germany to

I'm waiting for Germany to demand immediate delivery of it's gold. None of this 7 year monkey business.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

The Guardian article most detailed...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/30/nsa-spying-europ...

Talking about the NSA's classification of Germany as a "third-class" partner, Albrecht said it was not helping to build the trust of Germans or other Europeans. "It is destroying trust and to rebuild that, [the US] will need to take real action on legislation," he said.

Meanwhile, it has emerged that at least six European member states have shared personal communications data with the NSA, according to declassified US intelligence reports and EU parliamentary documents.

The documents, seen by the Observer, show that – in addition to the UK – Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Germany, Spain, and Italy have all had formal agreements to provide communications data to the US. They state that the EU countries have had "second and third party status" under decades-old signal intelligence (Sigint) agreements that compel them to hand over data which, in later years, experts believe, has come to include mobile phone and internet data.

Under the international intelligence agreements, nations are categorised by the US according to their trust level. The US is defined as 'first party' while the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand enjoy 'second party' trusted relationships. Countries such as Germany and France have 'third party', or less trusted, relationships.

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In an interview published in full last night on Davies' blog, former NSA director General Michael Hayden said: "The changes made to Fisa in 2008 were far more dramatic – far more far-reaching than anything President Bush authorised me to do."

Davies told the Observer that confirmation of the secret agreements showed there was a need for the EU to investigate.

"It's clear that the European parliament must intervene at this point through a public inquiry," Davies said. "MEPs should put the interests of their citizens above party politics and create meaningful reforms."

ECHELON & Germany

I posted this before. The Echelon program targeted Germany decades ago. And they know it. If Germany is considered a 3rd or 4th rate partner how long are they going to tolerate US bases on their soil?

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/3104507

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

MSNBC first major American media to report on the bugging

The rest of MSM still blacked out, 10 hours and counting.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/30/19214380-repor...

Great recap of all the NSA/spying info:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/29/nsa-spy-scandal-its-...

Can't call us..

isolationists again.

This type of tax payer sponsored government behavior is what creates real isolationism.

www.youtube.com/truefictions

I try to change people every day. Do You?

exactly.

exactly.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

As an official representative

As an official representative of the US government, you gotta ask yourself, is it a good thing that you can not come out and boldly claim with HONESTY, that the US government or any of its ABC organisations outside the scope of the constitution......that you cant out right deny these claims, because, you know, you never know, unless ofcourse you happen to know

What kind of government do you think you have, when faced with that, certainly not one that is due respect nor trust, who purports to be the shining beacon of INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, you have NO such claim, and in announcing so, for public image, you make yourselfs liars to a growing number of those who continue to mistrust you

The corrupt should leave or else, and oathkeepers should raise their voices loud, it is your duty, to YOUR people

When will

there be a fake leak that they pawn off on Snowden?

I hope the same day, a

I hope the same day, a national debate on the possibility of "internet shills"

I hope one day, if such shills do exist in an official capacity, that one will have the grace to prove that fact, because if true, i believe that will REALLY put an unrepairable dent, on the nature and image of the current government, to a point where, justifying their actions will become less and less easy, this i believe is whats mostly, in the publics image, keeping them afloat........once they cant fully convince those that are easilly convinced, then they got problems

They might have a plan for that, either dropping the pretense of a free society, or obama number 2

It will

be harder to pull off an Obama number 2, and still think the ruse will stay people's decent like it did in 2008. There's no contrast anymore between parties. Even a fake libertarian wont offset people's discontent for long, and the problems of overbearing regulations, taxation, sovereign debt and loss of liberties arn't going away. Do you really think they can drop the pretense of a free society? I think that's what has allowed freedoms to be surrendered in the first place, it helps keep the illusion alive. I suspect they'll try some scapegoats first. They'll blame some competitors, perhaps a few banking executives, and then offer up a few sacrifices to appease the mob so to speak. It's kind of what Hitler's crew did after WW1. Fortunately, I don't see it working. Too many people are hip to the regular old scams. I think they might have to sit back and just let the dysfunction of government take the heat for a while. We'll make some gains for liberty again, and when the fires cool, the powers that be will get back to doing what they do best. But right now, I don't think anything is certain. The dollar could collapse tomorrow or just keep slowly depreciating until they roll it back. Could their be a war? They'd start one if they could. I think Ron Paul's speeches about the parallels to the Iraq propaganda about WMD's before he left congress probably preempted them going directly into Iran, nor using Libya or Syria to get in there. Now I think it's too late. Rand has also done well to not let the media just flood the market with war propaganda about Syria. I don't know what's going to happen. These are interesting time to say the least.

BBC link to same

BBC link to same topic:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23116517

Veterans Today - Excellent synopsis which puts all the pieces together: Snowden, Tice, spying and blackmail:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/29/nsa-spy-scandal-its-...

Funny that no American media that I have yet visited have picked up the story. I know this story was first posted on the BBC about 8 hours ago. Looks like another MSM blackout.

Fox News

has it up.

Ask the obvious

At what time and by what methods were these documents leaked? And by who?

And has anyone got a confirmed sighting of Snowden in Moscow?

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

Following reporters....

By Laura Poitras, Marcel Rosenbach, Fidelius Schmid and Holger Stark

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/nsa-spied-on-euro...

It was leaked by Laura Poitras, the film maker - NY Times

On Saturday, Der Speigel reported that it was able to review “top secret” N.S.A. documents in Mr. Snowden’s possession dated September 2010 that showed that the agency had infiltrated European Union computers in two locations to monitor telephone conversations, e-mails and other documents.

The magazine said that surveillance devices were installed in the European Union’s offices in Washington and that the organization’s computer networks in Brussels had been infiltrated.

The lead writer of the article was Laura Poitras, 49, a documentary filmmaker who emerged as the pivotal connection between Mr. Snowden and writers for The Guardian and The Washington Post who published his leaked documents about government surveillance. She has shared bylines with reporters of those publications in their coverage of the N.S.A. leaks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/30/world/americas/ecuador-lea...

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^^^ Right there you have it : common, rational sense.

^^^ Right there you have it : common, rational sense.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

'Knowledge is power' LOL

And the politicians all play an evil game.

Or should I say, they are all evil. LOL

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Yeah, I get power at home, too.

Yeah, I get power at home, too. I pay an electricity plus gas bill for that.

Too bad the way these control freaks gain their knowledge and power consists in plundering 80 millions WORKING Americans to sustain their rent seeking bureaucratic "jobs", subsides, bribes, and rigged deals with crony corporate(*)

Labor force participation rate at 35 year lows

(* Oh, and yeah, cherry on top, that's for the same 80 millions slaves to sustain the 220 other millions Americans that the Government Morality Supermen have "entitled" to be sustained forcefully - emphasis on the latter adverb - of course; ah, you/I gotta love the redistribution laws set up for the "greater good of the national community", don't we? Since the Nanny state promised us it only seeks our security and happiness... Brave New Amerika!)

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I hear you.

And they will continue until they are stopped.

This is

A 'huge' revelation. The ramifications of this, if verified, are going to be far reaching..

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

If true, it would be a sad

If true, it would be a sad world that it would take the spying of officials just to start a serious CONVERSATION by so called representatives, on the morality, legality and tyranical qualities of global wide spy slash "easier" to manipulate, tool.

Gomez I'm afraid

Gomez I'm afraid that even the more studied of the American people are totally oblivious to the corruption that has infiltrated their country.

That said, I think they will be really pissed off when they figure it out.

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A little housekeeping...

Double paste

According to Der Spiegel, the NSA also targeted telecommunications at the Justus Lipsius building in Brussels, home to the European Council, the collective of EU national governments.

According to Der Spiegel, the NSA also targeted telecommunications at the Justus Lipsius building in Brussels, home to the European Council, the collective of EU national governments...Each EU member state has rooms in Justus Lipsius with phone and internet connections, which ministers can use.

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Thanks