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Making Abortion Illegal Will Create Another Unwinnable Drug War

I am pro-life but not necessarily anti-abortion as I believe there are rare but legitimate cases for abortion.

I don't believe in making abortion illegal because, just like the pre-Roe v. Wade era, it will simply go underground. This time, however, it won't be about coat hangers and other primitive methods but about state-of-the-art pharmaceuticals, like RU486, which, depending on the regulatory climate, will either be legally or illegally imported and/or manufactured and sold at inflated prices.

If not RU486, black market chemists will provide other just as effective, but likely previously unknown, abortifacients. It'll be another unwinnable drug war that America will lose very badly, just like the futile one it is currently fighting. With abortion legal, information as to how many abortions occur annually in the U.S. is readily available due to carefully recorded statistics. But with abortion illegal, abortions will almost certainly continue to occur, but without anyone knowing exactly how many or how often.

How is law enforcement ever going to effectively track and prosecute drug dealers selling illegal abortifacients if a majority of Americans thinks abortion should be legal? This is why overturning Roe v. Wade will never work: Abortion laws will ultimately become unenforceable.

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Jesse Ventura:

"It’s not so much that I think abortion should be legal as it is that I don’t think it can be made illegal without abusing the Constitution. Unless the government barged in at the precise moment the woman was there in the operating room with her feet in the stirrups, how would the government know she was getting an abortion? How could they even know she is pregnant without infringing upon her rights?"

"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

I expect it

And I embrace it. Those woman want to take someone else's life, they have to play Russian Roulette with their own...
This is in the name of protecting the innocent, not lazy.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

Soooo... you're OK with...

a government worker coming into your home to give your wife, daughters, and/or girlfriend a pregnancy test... or forcing them to come in to their clinic to take one. And this must be done once a month.

Is there any other way to enforce it? If so, how?

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

Wow, no dude

maybe I spoke out of turn, but I definately don't believe that should happen. I am just saying, I am not opposed to back alley abortions. I think they are terrible, but only an idiot would subject themselves to that.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

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and by outlawing abortions, the incentive is NOT to have an abortion. That is how that works.
It is WAY easier to carry a baby for 9 months, than it is to risk dying in a "back alley" type of surgery.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

You're absolutely right...

no matter what side of the fence you're on regarding this issue, the OP is correct and government would have to turn into Big Brother on steroids to even attempt to enforce it, but the reality is that it just cannot be done.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose


Unregulated black market abortions are good for minors that don't want to tell their parents about a pregnancy, or incestuous molesters that need to cover up a crime.

The only way to truly eliminate abortion is mandatory pregnancy testing, and the monitoring of pregnant women. Just how far should we go to defend the unborn?

That's what they said about slavery

Overturning would be unenforceable.

The right to exist is the ultimate of all other rights, without it and the respect for it, all other rights become null and void.

Murder is murder no matter how you try to spin it.

That would be a good analogy...

but it's nearly impossible to conceal your slaves, but concealing a pregnancy is easy, and hiding an abortion relatively easy too.

Those who think enforcement is even remotely possible have simply not thought it through very well. Wouldn't you have to monitor virtual every female to see IF/WHEN she gets pregnant, and then monitor her through her entire pregnancy? If the answer to this is yes, then you must admit it would be impossible.

Even with monitoring, how could we be sure it wasn't just a natural death, which is very common, vs. an abortion?

I wish Rand Paul would leave this issue alone.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

I agree.

Murder is murder, no matter how you spin it. And again, I am pro-life. But I am also realistic. And I respect what history has taught us.

Considering the arguments I made above in my original post, you really believe that if abortion is made illegal, it will be enforceable? I take it you also think the Drug War will soon be won?

While it may currently be the stuff of science fiction, I believe the best way to win the war on abortion is to make it possible to transfer an unwanted fetus from a pregnant mother to some kind of incubation chamber. If such a procedure existed, and it was simple and safe enough -- particularly safer than an abortion -- then overturning Roe v. Wade would be practical and make sense as there really would be no good reason to terminate the life of an unborn child, even if the pregnancy represented a danger to the mother.

We libertarians are supposed to think outside the box. Per the lessons of the Drug War, making abortion illegal will only create a problem exacerbated by chemical technology. No matter how many laws get passed, that's just the way it is. If anyone with a modicum of chemistry skills can cook up Crystal Meth from stuff found at a grocery store, what makes anyone think the same can't be said about abortion-inducing drugs?