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Pepper spray/mace neutralizer?

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Getting ready to try my hand at making

some pepper spray. I have some thriving BHUT JALOKI peppers (Ghost Peppers) that reach 1-1.5 million scoville units. I walk through the garden and if you bend down by these plants it will make you cough. LoL!

Only question I have is how to I get this product into a sprayable form.

Just wondering.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

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How do I atomize the product into

a spray container. Come on folks. I know how to get to liquid form but how do i put it into a container for use for protecting anyone from Thugs.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

Perhaps something like this?

This might help.

This might help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCz41Dzt6wU

The trick would be drying out the peppers enough to be able to grind them to powder. Seems to me that the gooier the pepper is inside the hotter it tends to be. You're using some of the hottest boogers on the planet and may have to split them open to get them dried out. Not sure what effect the gases will have on your oven if you decide to do it there since it might taint everything you subsequently cook.

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Thank you. I'm going to dehydrate them

first. The dehydration will be outdoors. Then I will pulverize them. Then Ill look into making the Spray. Thank you and I will look at the video.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

Some information I found on

Some information I found on pepper spray -

"Under normal conditions freezing should not be an issue. The aerosol pepper sprays are based on the mix of water and ethylene glycol, which is almost like anti-freeze. However at temperatures below 0F the liquid may begin to gel or not have quite as an effective range. All pepper spray has a limited shelf life and should be replaced every 12 to 18 months just to be certain it will be there when you need it."

Some of the stuff that comes out of a fire extinguisher is the extinguishant, i.e. baking soda, but some is dry ice.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_temperature_of_dry_ice...

It doesn't appear as though anyone's experimented with fire extinguisher defense against pepper spray.

Another option as long as you

Another option as long as you remember to toss the bottle away - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0hw1TP45HA

One street counter measure from "teargas" from Turkey

Great little street innovation I never seen before, in Turkey just recently they had all these water bottles, big ones like the ones in the office water cooler kinda deployed in the middle of the street and then a canniser came rocketing over, somebody would grab it, drop it in one of these water bottles, put their foot on top of the opening and somebody else would run over with any kind of improvised plug like a rag or wadded up newspaper. Bottle would just fill up and turn white with smoke.

The old tactic, lobbing it back at cops was a loser because they are fully protected. And they would throw it right back again. This bottle method takes the cannister out of play and minimized collateral damage.

Plus, direct violent confrontation with cops has never been my style. The art of street action IMO has always been retreat, redeploy not stand there and make a show of rage.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

I believe you're talking

I believe you're talking about this, yes? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8KcQhLQCwU Posted this when the clip showed up on YouTube a while back.

What would happen if you put a teargas canister in liquid nitrogen? Gas would become a solid, yes?

Kotter has it best: protection and avoidance

us street meds used to carry white vinnegar and Maloxx. Yeah the stuff used for upset stomachs or whatever, it's what we figured was a fairly non-abrasive antacid. We'd try to water it down a bit to make it both go further and reduce chances of complication. Because the fact is they aren't just using capsicum (acidic), newer agents can be acidic, basic or even just caustic/irritative. So we used to try the Maloxx and then white vinegar and then we're down to kind of symptom-individuistic treatment. Your clothing might be saturated (remove it), your skin is coated (gentle soap and water) and finally the more water you want on you the more we try to give you. There's no one-shot magic bullet here. Time away from further exposure is the sure and slow cure.

Some of this stuff is getting mil-spec advanced with different agents that act on you in other ways. Basically I'm saying they are truly chemically derived, born in laboratories, not just plant extracts. With some of these agents, flushing with water seems to worsen them. No clue what's in this stuff we just know increasingly we see stuff that doesn't respond to treatment the way it used to.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

Interesting. Baking soda

Interesting. Baking soda neutralizes most acids and is an ingredient in Maalox.

Full Face Protecion

$31.00 no filtration
http://www.amazon.com/Uvex-S8510-Polycarbonate-Anti-Fog-Hard...

Or

$47 WITH filtration (cheaper)
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-arrival-m04-full-skull-ma...

or

$88 with filtration and great view
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-full-face-gas-m...

Everyone who protests should be wearing these from now on, and when they move to rubber bullets when the gas doesn't work or they bust out the water hose then all should have these
http://www.amazon.com/Rothco-1992-Police-Anti-Riot-Shield/dp...

Do I have these? Just the filtered full face respirators for me and the fam.

Swim goggles. Cheap and effective eye protection. Well fairly...

What makes swim goggles or diving masks different from normal protective goggles at the hardware store?

No vents. Normal safety goggles have vents to prevent fogging.

No replacement for full face protection as Kotter says because these agents on your face, your forehead and hair, well that will flow right down into your eyes with sweat or rinsing.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

As long as it's not way hot or way cold

swim goggles will protect your eyes, but even anti foggles get foggy when they get a bunch of condensation going in them.

I really have been wondering for years why protestors especially don't have full face respirators by now. And shields for that matter. I realize there is a cost issue, but get some CS gas or Mace in your face one time and it would have been worth it 1,000 times over.

Can you imagine if 100,000 protestors showed up to protest and all of them had full face respirators? and maybe 10,000 of them had riot shields? Then what would riot police do? Escalate to real bullets since everyone would stand there and laugh at their rubber bullets, CS gas and pepper spray?

Hmm, maybe I should set up a stand trading them for silver and gold some time. And maybe that is the kind of march on DC that could be more effecting than Kokesh's armed march idea.

Full face respirators for everyone, STAT! ;-)

Since aerosols are heavier than air; why not use a snorkel?

also, some high velocity fans, operated by scooter batters on wheeled carts would be nice. Not to mention, some "super soakers".

However the BEST deterrent to being "pepper-sprayed" or tear gassed, I believe was demonstrated by the Arizona Border Militia at "Occupy Phoenix"; those being AK47s, locked and loaded, between the demonstrators and police. Nobody was hurt OR arrested during those demonstrations.

The best deterrence to violence has and always will be the willingness to use it in self defense.

hrm

Getting sprayed isn't something you can just neutralize though, it takes a while. I've been sprayed with Vexor, directly in the eye with the stream, which is pretty much the best stuff on the market. It literally prevented me from opening my eyes after a couple of minutes.

Milk and flushing the eyes with water helps, but it doesn't solve the problem.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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True enough, but it's better

True enough, but it's better than just leaving it on your skin or breathing it into your lungs.

true

I guess my best advice if planning on encountering an event where you would be sprayed is to have something to cover your face(like a bandanna with porous plastic beneath it), something to cover your eyes, discard clothing post spray and have a change ready, and have a lot of deionized water handy.

I'd guess the sugar trick has to do with overloading olfactory senses, and wouldn't actually help your eyes.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

Click Here To See The Candidates On The Record

Agreed. More important to

Agreed. More important to breathe than to see if we're going to get real technical.

I think I saw a video clip of a protest where all the citizens were wearing helmets with visors. That'd be a good option.

sounds like a medically sound way to injure yourself

so you suggest we drop crystaline grannular carbon chains into our eyeballs which are normally designed for a lubricating saline environment?

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

No, I don't. It's not that

No, I don't. It's not that difficult to make a simple syrup. I do it all the time for lemonade.

There are things now called 'goggles' as well.

better answer up top

wanted to see where this one went.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.