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George Zimmerman’s A Better Man Than I Thought

After a day of very solid cross confirmed testimony in the Zimmerman / Martin case, it turns out that in spite of the fact that Trayvon Martin was pounding the daylights out of Zimmerman's face and skull on a concrete surface, Zimmerman never went for his side arm until he realized that Martin noticed he was armed and appeared to go for the gun saying, "You're gonna die tonight" to Zimmerman.

Only at that point of life or death decision did Zimmerman grab his weapon and fire one shot into Trayvon's upper torso.

Zimmerman testified that he did not realize that he hit Martin... he assumed that when Martin said, "You got me". Martin meant he was going to stop assaulting Zimmerman as Martin leaned back off of Zimmerman's chest.

Zimmerman then testifies that he slipped out from Martin where he was pinned down and jumped on Martins back to restrain his hands to stop his attacker from executing any further blows.

Zimmerman tossed his gun to the side and held Martins arms down as Martin lay face down.

It seems to me that the average person who took a beating from a larger stronger attacker, would go for his weapon much sooner and would not have stopped firing until he was sure the attacker was profoundly incapacitated.

Most people in that situation would have emptied their magazine on the attacker to assure their own survival.

Based on testimony and evidence, George Zimmerman exercised extreme restraint in the use of deadly force. And the single spent, shell casing proves that restraint beyond a doubt.

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Problem - Reaction - Solution

Problem: legally armed citizen exercises his right to self defence.

Reaction: Race riots.

Solution: Re-spark the gun debate.

On a personal note, I wish no one got killed in the first place.

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Trayvon Martin's Parents

both evaded answering questions directly when on the stand under oath.

My gut tells me they are both lying.

They both jumped off topic and into a spin when their previous testimony was challenged by the defense team.

They've already moved on.

No show of emotion today Mon Jul 8.

The mother appeared to be mentally counting how many buses she's going to tell Al Sharpton to reserve for the not-guilty verdict riots.

The Trayvon parents are already working on the cashola civil suit.

yeah he's not the thug i thought he was

a overzealous authoritarian liar with a itch trigger finger, that he is.
a 2nd degree murder? not if i was on the jury. an irresponsible dumbass yahoo running around with gun, yes. i would convict him of Negligent homicide.

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Negligent Homicide

If the jury couldn't get self defense to stick then you are right. It is involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide. The did find he acted in self defense. I understand your rage is that it should have never happened in the first case, all of us agree with that one. This case is more a tragedy because the so called civil rights groups are using propaganda and tax payer funds to spread disinformation and unrest staging protests with paid protesters...this is the real crime. World justice is never perfect, but this ruling should stand since the jury ruled it was self defense. It would have been more a travesty if he had been found guilty of second degree murder because that is obviously NOT the case.

A clearer case of self

A clearer case of self defense, I have never seen.

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For all I know 4 NYPD cops pupmed

41 bullets into unarmed, harmless and innocent Amadou Diallo for absolutely no probable cause and all four are roaming scot-free after full acquittal in what is a despicable travesty of justice. Mr. Zimmerman at least has so many probable causes and one single bullet. (And, if it is of any relevance, I am not white.)

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That was local for me...

So sad.

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Great song commemorating him. Not that it matters, but I am white. Injustice is injustice no matter how you slice it.

Here's a convenient guide posted on Breitbart,

in layman's terms, as to the elements required for a conviction under 2nd degree murder. The prosecution has almost finished. Do you think de la Rionda, the State, has proved either of these elements? Whichever one they pick they have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. It's way too tricky for me. I'll have to wait till the Judge gives her instructions to the jury.

Second Degree Murder: Florida Law

When one commits a killing knowingly-—meaning that they are acting with a conscious awareness that they are doing something that could end another’s life, then they are committing second degree murder.

OR

When one commits a killing recklessly, they are acting with a conscious disregard for another person’s life—-or they are acting in a way that could cause a substantial and unjustifiable risk to that person. In Florida, when one commits a killing knowingly or recklessly, he or she can also be charged with second-degree murder, which carries up to life in prison.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/12/guide-to-...

It also (conveniently) gives the burden of proof for self-defense and manslaughter.

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The jury see from the evidence that the charges are false

but will feel obliged to find Zimmerman guilty of 'something' - say manslaughter, and the judge will impose the maximum sentence.

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I don't think

there are any other charges. It's 2nd degree murder or he's not guilty.

I think the prosecution...

...knows 2nd degree won't stick and are trying to get manslaughter, which because Trevon was not yet 18, will carry a 30 year max. He needs to be not guilty...any lessor charge will suck.

If I walk up to you at 3am and ask to see your id

You have every right to ignore me. If I then tackle you and you start kicking my butt and I shoot you in the midst of the struggle, does it matter if you were a deviant or a saint? I stopped you with no authority, hassled you, tackled you, and then killed you but my defense is you were going to hurt me with my own weapon and that you were a bad guy??
This whole story is so dumb and overblown. Zimmerman started a fight and killed someone in the course of it. I would have charged him with aggravated assault and manslaughter to make it stick. He may walk on 2nd degree murder.

What you say sounds nice but ...

there is a tiny little thing referred to as citizen's arrest. See something say something derives from the same obligation. Criminalizing harboring a fugitive from justice derives from the same obligation. Avoiding a draft derives from the same obligation.

I am not stating whether or not I agree with this particular citizen duty or obligation one is expected to perform for free, just pointing it out.

Read the Florida

statute on self defense. Stand your ground isn't being used as a defense. The only thing the defense has to prove is whether or not Zimmerman had reason to believe his life was in imminent danger.

What the hell have you been

What the hell have you been watching? Obviously not the trial, but MSNBS and Al Sharpton...

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i agree

i agree

Is that what the MSM told you

Is that what the MSM told you happened? Must be true then.

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lol and your listening to the

lol and your listening to the murderers story acting like he isnt lying at all to help him from going to prison for life, pssshhhh Is that what zimmerman told you...must be true then

This is what

the evidence tells us. There's no evidence to suggest that Zimmerman confronted Martin (ever). The prosecution had 8 days to prove Zimmerman was the aggressor. Shocking as this prosecution is, the prosecution witnesses have backed up Zimmerman's account using the evidence in the case.

The logical question to ask is when Zimmerman was on the phone to dispatch, he advised dispatch "the kid took off running towards the back entrance" (someone avoiding someone else would run to get away from the person, this is logical), Zimmerman heads in the opposite direction of Martin, was outside his truck, on the phone to dispatch, at one point giving his telephone number and address, Zimmerman stops and tells the dispatcher he shouldn't have given his address out loud, "I don't know where the kid is", the last time Zimmerman saw Martin, remember, Martin was running in the opposite direction of Zimmerman's truck, towards the back of the complex, how did Martin end up at Zimmerman's truck? The evidence shows the incident took place close to Zimmerman's truck, not close to the back of the complex.

The prosecution has the

The prosecution has the burden of proof. It has not, nor will it be able to...meet that burden.

You've fallen for the media hype and propaganda surrounding this case.

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That's quite a theory,

but there's no evidence to support it.

Here I go agreeing with you again Lawson

I. Don't get why people run to this guys defense just cause he was a lawful gun owner. He insights a confrontation then claims self defense....WTF

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Why don't you explain what

Why don't you explain what happened according to the evidence that you have seen and heard throughout the trial?

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Yeah we'll

True that many jump on the gun rights bandwagon with certain stories, but in this case, people are running to his defence as far as I can tell, due to a thing called evidence!

There is no evidence

to show that Zimmerman tackled martin.

Agree

There is also no proof that Zimmerman continued pursuit of Martin after he acknowledged to dispatch that he would no longer follow him.

Yet there's nothing but evidence to suggest...

...that Martin clocked Zimmerman.

Correct me if I am wrong

Correct me if I am wrong here, but I thought that Zimmerman has already been proven to be liar. He told two different stories of the vent. Plus, he said that Martin and he struggled for the gun, yet none of Martin's fingerprints were shown on the gun. Plus, they didn't find Zimmerman's DNA underneath Martin's fingernails, which would happen in a scuffle.

Plus, the interview with Hannity was just creepy. Martin was "skipping"? Not running or walking, but "skipping"?

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The only thing 'proven' is

The only thing 'proven' is that the MSM has an agenda for gun control. This entire case is absurd. Another 'OJ' style distraction while the nation teeters on the brink of becoming real life Mad Max.

And to your points...I'm sure there are one or two cases in the history of the world where two men fighting didn't 'scratch' each other with fingernails. As far as Martin's prints not being on the gun...so what? He wasn't able to successfully retrieve the gun. It doesn't mean he wasn't trying.

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No bruising on Martin's

No bruising on Martin's fingers. The fingernail thing is just a nod to the fact that there was no evidence of a physical altercation on Martin's side.

Zimmerman specifically said he went for and grabbed the gun. They pulled for it and Zimmerman was able to win it.

Also, the MSM has no agenda out for gun control. After all, Fox News is 50% of the MSM and they are absolutely against it.

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