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What's It Going To Take To Awaken The American People?

If this was 1969 all over again, and the draft still existed would college campuses be so silent today?

How many people are truly wide awake in America?

25% at best? How can the tireless minority light a fire under the sleeping majority without causing harm?

There's been a lot of hype about, "the imminent financial collapse," but I don't buy it. What other world currency is going to replace the dollar? A financial collapse would turn the simmering pot into a quick boil, causing too many frogs to jump out of the pot.

Incrementalism is the recipe for a total takeover. They don't want the frogs to feel the heat building up.

Is a financial collapse the only thing that will wake up the average American who cares more about their local sports teams than their own country?

People seem to care only when they are hit hard in the wallet. Americans have been hit hard in their wallets, but the hit didn't happen over night, it happened over a century, very slowly since 1913.

Russian troops are now coming to America to help protect us, the NSA is spying on every single American citizen while the border remains wide open, 70% of Americans are on prescription drugs, the IRS is targeting Obama's political enemies, the media has become a target for assassination, and an American citizen who dares to tell the truth is called an enemy of the state.

Good Lord.

What is it going to take to change the tide?

Rand Paul is my only human hope. I firmly believe that he shares the exact same opinions and values as his father, but Rand doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve like dad does.

May God please help us.

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Z◎◎AMeRiCa!!

i love ya, but, really, if Rand Paul is your only hope, I am feelin' real blue for you.

I am so disappointed for the liberty movement right now. Edward Snowden came out, with Glenn Greenwald, and sacrificed EVERYTHING!! And what are the folks that have known these details, forever, doing? Meaning us? NOTHING!! We do not even have a plan. The State media, with egg all over their faces, is on full-spectrum damage control. They are winning. We are sitting on our big fat asses asking, "hey, where's the outrage?". WTF? We need a plan. The PTB, despite this massive setback, are winning. And we are doing NOTHING.

I am one of the useless whiners. When I say WE, I mean me and you. All of these new recruits, some of which have said, hey dducks (or whatever they call me), you were right, while they wait for me to tell them what to do. And I shrug, and think, "where's the effing outrage?". But there will be no outrage if we do not get a plan and TOGETHER, implement it.

I only know one plan. The plan I always espouse. And that is to withdraw consent. No power or government can exist without the consent of the majority of the people. We quit following their rules and laws, quit paying their taxes, quit legitimizing their 'licenses' and 'priviledges'. We just say NO! No, I do not need your permission to drive, to work, to eat, to be happy! I do not need your permission to do what I desire on MY OWN PROPERTY! I do not need your banks, your quasi-shitty-insurance, your business license, your tyrannical rules by the millions. We do this with the Ron Paul principles of non-aggression. We have a right to life, liberty and property without the menacing State baby-sitting every step of the way.

I think we already have a

I think we already have a plan, dducks. It's quite simple.

Elect Ron Paul's son as the next president of the United States.

Was George W. any different than his father?

Nope.

I wouldn't call this a top down approach either, because in order for us to get Rand Paul elected it's going to take a massive grass roots ground campaign and tremendous organization at the local levels.

Rand will be facing the Clinton Machine, and they make Barry look nice.

What's it going to take?

Political lightning in a bottle, and I think we've got it.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

With all due respect, zooamerica,

I will sum up Rand as truthfully as possible. He is definitely a social conservative; okay with war on drugs, against gay marriage, wants the feds to criminalize abortion (send little gals, that may may be victims of out-of- control hormones and horny dudes that cares not if she is convicted of murder, in the slammer for federal murder if she ingests a morning-after pill, while the horny dudes laugh and run free). Even serial killers are not subject to federal murder charges.).

Rand is perfectly okay with our foreign policy unless he is making a speech at PaulFest where he lifted his Dad's iconic 'Just march home' lines and days later completely omitted any mention of the USGovt. murder policy at the RNC. He voted for all the war appropriations unless it included the 'indefinite detention' clause. And that is a good thing he is on our side of the indefinite detention argument. But as for the horrific foreign policies of murder he never comes out against it and votes for it. The sanctions on Iran, that he voted for, disgust me. The US sanctions on Iraq in the eighties resulted in the deaths of an estimated two million people, half of them children. He can not be that ignorant to not be able to learn from history.

So, basically, he is closer to a neo-con than a libertarian. I wished he would quit putting the word 'libertarian' in front of his name. I could deal with an economically clueless progressive more than a social conservative war-monger - like a Glenn Greenwald type. I am more okay with theft than I am with murder.

I am not religious but my ability to empathize creates a perfect moral framework in my mind that tells me killing is wrong. I have never, nor will I ever, support, befriend, or placate individuals that kill or support killing, unless out of defense for themselves or persons familiar to them.

I will never support Rand for the killing thing. I actually am really disturbed that Ron Paul supporters support that.

So, where does that leave us? Why do we not have a plan to capitalize on the Snowden leaks? We should be all over it.

Happy 4th, zooamerica. I am roasting a Boston butt roast today. You?

You don't get it ((((dducky))))

Where's the outrage? What are you looking for to show you outrage? Is outrage destruction, secular armeggeddon?

Outrage can be CONSTRUCTIVE.

Constructive outrage is what drives people to get involved beyond the voting booth, seeing an alternative to harming others, innocents, society, wee the people having some power to control our little corner in the world. CONSTRUCTIVE outrage is what all of us who got in the GOP, faced, debated, fought those who are aiding and abetting the powers that be on a local, state and national level, because campaigns take you to these places.

MSM LOVES the drama.. the outrage of destruction feeds the beast, and that is what you stand for? Ohhh no, you will say.. dressed in black (how dramtic.. look at you!)

You don't seem to understand that we are INDIVIDUALS.. I'm NO Rand or Rand Paul.. not by a Loooooooooong shot.. I don't even try to be a Ron or Rand Paul.. it's not my job to be a clone.. that's NOT what this is about.

When constructing things, politial parties, you need a KEYSTONE.. you need a block from which to build a foundation. From there, the walls exterior and interior, the windows, doors, paint, color, roof, all these parts are related to the keystone in that together they STAND.

This is true for religion and politics.. be it Mohammad, or Jesus, Gaia, Krishna, the Buddha.. they all have their sects or cults that do NOT agree on everything, but they agree with the "keystone".

Our keystone is RESTORE THE REPUBLIC, BILL OF RIGHTS/CONSTITUTION.

You seem bent on DESTRUCTION, having no constructive solutions, you wear black, you roast, you work to KILL the spirit and work very hard Murdering the spirit of those who are working to build a better America constructively.

Here you are at it again, where you don't see yourself KILLING the spirit as you damn the flesh that works to construct because you want DESTRUCTION.

Ron Paul made it very clear to us, we need to make our state governments stronger to lift the burden off the federal government. Here in Mendo, we don't need or look to federal government, what Obama has to say doesn't affect us as it does places where the people are not involved.. many people here are very involved, so we have control. Apparently you live in a place where the people expect the president to be a candy store they can relate to, and he rules their lives, their choices, they can not be individuals, just clones of the candy man.

I never agreed with Ron Paul 100%, but I understood what he was saying about getting in and changing it if we don't like it, so I did. And I don't regret it.. I read posts like yours and I'm even more glad I did it because the apathy and destruction moved forth by a critical collective that FAILED to get in and waits like vultures for the destruction of government.. hopes that America will be like Egypt.. it won't be long before you will see that Egypt will not be better off.. as Syria is not better off. You don't want marshall law, or a police state or a military coup for yourself, but it's fine for others?

I don't get that.

So now roasting my favorite cut of pork on the 4th is somehow bad too? I think I will go sit in the corner for awhile.

Not at all.. why twist it?

Maybe your next roast you can try my favorite: http://www.coca-colacompany.com/stories/cherry-coke-braised-...

Dr Pepper and Rootbeer work well too.

What's it gonna take? Probably a lot more pain and

suffering. Our govt is very cunning and will take our guns as they've been doing, on an individual basis; or make bullets very expensive; or outlaw gunpowder (didn't they just do that?); or registrations for all guns, etc.
I think the time for talking is way past, our govt does not listen to reason, and they will never voluntarily shrink themselves in any way.
The number one rule applies, as always: Whoever has the bigger stick determines the reality, makes the rules.
And it does not matter how many guns there are in the U.S., if we do not organize as a militia, then we lose.
I already know that when several police in swat garb come to my door and demand my gun I will submit because I stand alone. There's no point in resisting unless I feel on that particular day it's a good day to die and might as well try to kill a few roaches on the way out.
But wouldn't it be great if you could make a speed dial call to a community militia and within five minutes they surround the police and disarm them of all military gear and weapons. That'll shake them up a bit.
I believe Ron Paul was actually the winner in the last GOP race, but for the bigger stick used by the Romney supporters including the GOP itself.
We need a militia, not only in words but action. I said it before, if we had surrounded those convention halls with 500 gun-carrying patriots and demanded ballots be counted on the spot maybe the truth would be known.
Does anyone really believe our govt will give up what they've been working to get since Dishonest Abe was president - total control of the masses, a true dictatorship?
So it is we who must wake up to this reality; talking in civil terms falls on deaf ears and is weakness to these scoundrels. We need might, now. The sheep will always be sheep, and we will always be the minority.
Let's talk about militia starting, or forget about it. That's my opinion.

Just because there is nothing to replace the dollar...

Doesn't mean it won't collapse. It's like saying, just because an airliner is full of people and the wings fall off that it won't crash.

This is the end of an empire. Once you come to terms with that fact, you can start to see things for what they are.

If you like art, there's a beautiful series of paintings called "The Course of Empire" that illustrates the point pretty well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Course_of_Empire

Also, Being familiar with the works of Taleb is helpful, namely structured criticality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured_criticality) and cascade failure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascading_failure). Joseph Tainter wrote a book in the 90s from an anthropological standpoint that is very good: "The collapse of complex societies".

Start doing some research about the fall of the Roman Empire. Gibbon is a perennially good reference on that subject.

Will we avoid a violent fall similar to the empires of the past, Mesopotamia, Alexandria, Rome? Possibly. But it IS going to fall. Too many malincentives have been created. The capital structure is fragile, actually every system is incredibly fragile. To reach equilibrium and stability, many things will have to fall apart. Mother nature will take care of that.

Ozymandias

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desart. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

Percy Bysshe Shelley

The Fall And The Resurrection

[ Beautiful post, Number6 ]

" ... ages of laborious ascent have been followed by a moment of rapid downfall; and the several climates of the globe have felt the vicissitudes of light and darkness. Yet the experience of four thousand years should enlarge our hopes and diminish our apprehensions: we cannot determine to what height the human species may aspire in their advance towards perfection; but it may safely be presumed that no people, unless the face of nature is changed, will relapse into their original barbarism. The improvements of society may be viewed under a threefold aspect. 1. The poet or philosopher illustrates his age and country by the efforts of a single mind; but these superior powers of reason or fancy are rare and spontaneous productions; and the genius of Homer, or Cicero, or Newton, would excite less admiration if they could be created by the will of a prince or the lessons of a preceptor. 2. The benefits of law and policy, of trade and manufactures, of arts and sciences, are more solid and permanent; and many individuals may be qualified, by education and discipline, to promote, in their respective stations, the interest of the community. But this general order is the effect of skill and labour; and the complex machinery may be decayed by time, or injured by violence. 3. Fortunately for mankind, the more useful, or, at least, more necessary arts, can be performed without superior talents or national subordination; without powers of one, or the union of many. Each village, each family, each individual, must always possess both ability and inclination to perpetuate the use of fire and of metals; the propagation and service of domestic animals; the methods of hunting and fishing; the rudiments of navigation; the imperfect cultivation of corn or other nutritive grain; and the simple practice of the mechanic trades. Private genius and public industry may be extirpated, but these hardy plants survive the tempest, and strike an everlasting root into the most unfavourable soil. The splendid days of Augustus and Trajan were eclipsed by a cloud of ignorance; and the barbarians subverted the laws and palaces of Rome.... 

Since the first discovery of the arts, war, commerce, and religious zeal have diffused among the savages of the Old and New World these inestimable gifts: they have been successively propagated; they can never be lost. We may therefore acquiesce in the pleasing conclusion that every age of the world has increased and still increases the real wealth, the happiness, the knowledge, and perhaps the virtue, of the human race."

- Edward Gibbon, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire

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Nice piece.

I agree. The free market is going to reassert itself and the pain that was temporarily avoided by all of the malincentives will be felt.

It will be painful but we have to go through it. There is no fixing what has been broken by the same methods that broke it.

Violence and privation

Until they are personally hurting, they don't care. When they get cold enough and hungry enough and their teevees wink out, they will riot. Also, they'll likely blame us for not warning them persistently enough. And also kill us and steal our gold and gunpowder and canned goods.

While the Warsaw Pact may give us reasonable hopes for a relatively bloodless transition, the vast bulk of history is not so comforting.

Sic semper imperia.

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What other world currency is

What other world currency is going to replace the dollar?
Answer: B.R.I.C.S. nation is already positioning to replace the world reserve currency status of the dollar. Likely with a gold backed Chinese currency. They will finalize the last of their agreements by 2016. Don't stay ignorant on this stuff.

They will

take us down economically by building their own paradigm, that does not accept the dollar.
They will literally pull the Reserve status right out from underneath us. That alone will weaken the dollar significantly.
Then, what do think they will do with all the dollars they posses?
Their coming home......Hyper....Inflation.
Then we will have to over come all the INTIMIDATION in order replace our system with SOUND MONEY, instead of theirs....
Even then, we as a nation a ZERO silver reserves, a there is evidence that suggests there is very little gold left. That paradigm will still transfer our wealth to the bankers, but at least we will start over with the right fundamentals. We have tons of potential.

My question is, will we arrest the bankers and get our gold back?

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

We can always use copper in a pinch

I don't hear many people talking about copper.

Good point

I think we have to internally. How can we use gold and silver, if the value of it is astronomical?
Copper should definitely be monetized, along with other types of currency. Maybe Crypto Currencies, as long as they are not a monopoly currency. We will see which ones work the best.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

It will take a deathbed confession...

by Dick Cheney that Israel did 9/11. He might want to cleanse his wretched soul, though I don't hold my breath.

that is surely is the feel-good thought of the day

i like the way you think

A currency collapse is not something that can be planned for

it just happens.

They aren't going to wake up,

They aren't going to wake up, not until there is a government boot stuck in their fat ass. It will take complete tyranny for Americans to understand what has happened.

You're absolutely right...

and I'm not even sure that would do it. I was thinking, I bet if they took a poll and asked people if they would agree to be rounded up into pens surrounded by guards, if that would make them safe, would they be in favor of it and I bet at least 40% of the people would say yes and another 15% maybe.

I don't doubt it. Not for a

I don't doubt it. Not for a second.

TEOTWAWKI

I sent an e-mail to a former boss that I greatly respect who is very active in the TEA party and politics in general now. He is also close to a US Congressman. He relayed a summary of the discussion he had face-to-face with the Congressman about the indefinite detention issue.

His conclusion was as follows.

America can only be fixed in one of the following ways:

(1) we have a revolution in this country

(2) the system crashes and the right guys are in place to put the pieces back together properly

So basically SHTF is required. Be prepared!

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maybe an air horn ?

Rand Paul is the only hope ??
May God please help us indeed.

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Search for the Book 'Tipping point' On the dp Bookshelf.

9-11 was a panda job.

25% is extremely generous

25% is extremely generous

I was being optimistic.

I was being optimistic.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

starvation

or an interruption in their sports or celebrity news.

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

The movement is still alive.

Don't give up. Don't give in. The movement is not dead. The movement is alive.

The seeds have been planted by Ron Paul the sower and some are now only sprouting. But they are surely growing evermore, within his own son Rand Paul, within freedom-lovers like Ben Swann and Judge Napolitano, within the new generation of students of liberty, within those delegates who fought so hard in the election, within our friends who are representing freedom in congress... within the Daily Paul, and within you.

The process is slow and the task is great, and there is an ever canstant threat from those in the establishment who fear us. But it is good that they fear us, because it tells us that we are much larger and more potent than anyone can dream of. We have friends in law enforcement, the sheriffs who defend liberty: we have people like Edward Snowden, who show us that there are still dissenters in the regime. How many more of us are there, just waiting for their turn to stand up for liberty? Our numbers in the Ron Paul Rallies are only a preview of what's still very much growing.

Heck, you're definitely not alone. If an Australian like me can hear you (and I know I'm not alone here), then it's a good sign that your message is very, very valuable.

Just don't give up. Don't give in. The movement is not dead. The movement is alive.

I believe in the freedom to be what we choose to be.

Don't rely so heavily on Rand Paul alone.

It's not only risky for you, but it is also unfair on Rand Paul.

Similarly, we cannot rely on Ron Paul alone either as a large number of us did during 2008 and 2012.

No, what we must do is follow the example of the hundreds and thousands that did things differently: follow the example of the two Pauls. That is, educate the people, become involved and learn political mechanisms, share and demonstrate your ideas, and become the hope for the future.

The Granger is right: "It's not Rand Paul that I put my hope ... It is all those rEVOLutionaries, Liberty Movementers, Patriots, and tea partiers who took Ron Paul's message seriously, and joined the GOP, took seats, chairs, and offices, became state and national delegates, and didn't stop after the selection, despite GOP loyalty oaths, broken bones, vandalism, personal atacks, censorship, fights within and outside the GOP, they continued to go to meetings, learn Robert's Rules of Order, went to converntions, flooded the floors, infiltraited the leadership, worked together, networked city by city, county by county, state by state, Rand or No Rand, held onto Ron Paul's message of LIBERTY and drove it HOME."

It is the People who should be the ones to carve the way to a better world. As such, it is those same People who should be the ones to awaken their fellows, bit by bit to form a coherent fabric that shares the same dream of a Free America.

I believe in the freedom to be what we choose to be.

For a lot of people it's

For a lot of people it's going to take a significant change to their daily lives. Something like gas going to $10 a gallon, or their bank accounts being partially seized.

But there are more people awake or awakening than are vocal about being so. Many people are so frightened of the government now that they will not speak out. That's the only reason I do still hold some hope for a political solution, but my hope is dwindling and dwindling fast. There are too many leeches who will never support a reform candidate.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein