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UPDATE: Pro-Abortionist Chants "Hail Satan" While Pro-Lifers Sing Amazing Grace at Austin, TX Protest

"It's been a very interesting day at the Texas State Capitol. Cahnman's Musings hasn't been following the hearing. Instead, we've been participating in the surrounding events. LetTexasSpeak has been doing a live broadcast from the rotunda where women have been sharing their abortion related testimonies. The pro-abortion crowd has responded with repeated chants of "hail Satan." It's taken us all day to get a video recording, but here it is:"

http://acahnman.blogspot.com/2013/07/texas-capital-abortion-...

Original video posted on FB: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151551294311896&set=v...

More from the Blaze: http://twitchy.com/2013/07/02/hail-satan-abortion-supporters...

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I'm agnostic and pro-life, and I don't quite know what to think of these young ladies...

UPDATE: Title has been corrected as my curiosity led me to this additional video which suggests the chant was an isolated case by an individual caught on camera, not the entire crowd:

It appears the protesters protesting the protesters are chanting, "Not just for the rich and white, healthcare is a human right."

The original title, Pro-Abortionists Chant "Hail Satan" While Pro-Lifers Sing Amazing Grace at Austin, TX Protest, was misleading.

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It just sounds..

Like you're picking and choosing which of God's laws you want to follow.

I'm not sure why you would think it's ok to do that?

You've got to at least be consistent. ESPECIALLY when god COMMANDS you do to something.

It's the difference...

...between universal law and societal law given to a particular culture at a particular time.

Romans speaks about those who did not have the law (i.e. the Mosaic law) who yet followed the law written on their hearts (i.e. conscience). For it is not the outward circumcision which matters, but the inward 'circumcision' of the heart, responding to that natural law, responding to Love.

I admit that I have not done enough study of how my Christ-centered focus fully squares with the OT. Thanks for inspiring me to do so. But I fully believe in the two greatest laws that Christ affirmed, and if I am to be corrected on other fronts, than so be it.

It's GOD'S LAW!!! There is NO OTHER LAW.

Period. The end.

This Christ guy you keep talking about is just some hippy-dippy, peace and love trouble maker. Aint nobody got time for that.

Sinners need to DIE!

Homosexuals - DEAD!
Fortunetellers - DOUBLE DEAD!
Non-Believers - TORTURED - then DEAD!

etc, etc, etc.

:)

Altho, I'll admit.. I'm more in the tolerance/acceptance/love your neighbor boat.. It really doesn't matter. God's will is clear.

SINNERS DIE!

You're right in...

...one sense. We all will die; we're all in that boat, under that fate in this fallen world, from the repercussions of evil. And yet, we all will live -- this phase of life is just the beginning, and death is just a door to the next phase.

We are no longer under the Old Covenant that was given in the Old Testament. Christ has fulfilled all of that in Himself, in His life, death, resurrection; and through Him we are seen as satisfying whatever came before. We are under a New Covenant. It seems kind of harsh for the people who came before: what did they do to deserve being under the Old rather than the New? That's the wrong way to look at it. Those people are all under the New as well, as they are still alive and discovering that truth as their journeys continue to unfold.

What is the alternative that you would like me to believe? That we are all meaningless lumps of material and energy moving through time with no ultimate purpose or meaning? That we all will fade into nothing in the end anyway?

Aslo.. Christ didn't meet the qualification to be the prophet...

..or whatever you want to call him, as laid out in the bible.

( The excuse is that he'll do that on the second coming. )

This is why Jews and Muslims don't accept him. So, you *might* be technically incorrect with the old covenant/ new covenant thing.

Altho, I am not a religious scholar, so I can't give you the exact detail... Somebody here probably could tho.

Two sides...

...to the Messianic prophecies: suffering servant (bruised for our iniquities, etc.); conquering king (every knee shall bow, etc.). Stay tuned for more. :)

Oh and on the subject of Micahs in the Bible :) the Bethlehem prophecy came from Micah ch 5:

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Well, I really don't care what people ( you ) believe..

Until they try forcing their beliefs on me ( or others), at which point I begin to care greatly.

You actually seem like a pretty cool guy, and I'm not accusing of trying to force anything on me.

I just struggle greatly how seemingly smart people can completely disregard logic, and believe in magic dad. (sorry, not trying to be offensive.. I'm not very good at that sometimes tho.) Religion is just superstition. ( in my opinion ) ... well I do get it. It's called cognitive dissonance. It's when people can look at facts, and hard evidence, then completely disregard it for a pre-recorded message that they have stuck in their heads. You see it all the time in politics too.

Religion by definition requires you to disregard logic, and have 'faith' that something exists. It specifically requires that you NOT be able to think for yourself, and not question the fallacies that are presented as fact.. I can't subscribe to that. It's dangerous, and wrong.

Religion WILL die. It's already on its way out. Look at the numbers. If atheists were better organized, they would have a BIG voting block. Religion will be looked back upon just as people who believed in superstition.. just like you probably view all the other religions that you've personally disregarded from your life, and all the other *past* religions.

"That we are all meaningless lumps of material and energy moving through time with no ultimate purpose or meaning? That we all will fade into nothing in the end anyway?" - I know this is hard to accept, hence the reason that religion has been so popular. ( Wouldn't be awesome if there was some great paradise waiting for us.. 72 virgins and the whole bit. )

Religion plays on fear and control.. Unless you do as your told, you don't get all these great (non-existant) rewards.

Religion has consistently stood in the way of progress. This bothers me.. We'd still be burning witches if the religions of the world had their way.. Well, some places STILL DO burn witches.

I have a hard time believing magic dad is sitting on a cloud somewhere counting my 'sins'. Come on... That requires me to completely suspend my ability to think critically.

Trust me.. I would LOVE to believe it.

My spiritual friend had me read DMT: The Spirit Molecule awhile ago. It was pretty interesting. Much more related to spirituality and I guess Buddhism than Christianity. It was pretty interesting. I don't necessarily believe it, but it was interesting. I'd take it over christianity any day!

So, I guess to answer your question directly, It's fine that you believe in what you believe. I'm not trying to change your mind necessarily.. But please god, don't try to force other people to live by your moral/religious standards. (I'm not accusing you of doing that)

But I guess... maybe instead of *feeling* like there is a god, THINK about it. Think = Facts, reason, logic. Feel = emotion. Because that's the only explanation anyone can give.. "well, I KNOW there is a god, because I *FEEL* him... riiiiight... Charlie Manson felt god too..

Thinking itself...

...is evidence to me that there is more than just a chain reaction of deterministic or random events in a meaningless material universe. I see human Knowing and Reason and Inference as more than just cause and effect in our chemical brains.

Professor Haldane: ‘If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true…and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms.’ (Possible Worlds, p. 209)”

At bottom, though, your choice to believe in a reality that is ultimately devoid of underlying Person, Love, etc. is itself a belief. We all start with faith in Person or non-Person as being what's most fundamental. I side with Plato on that question.

If you are right, then none of what we are discussing really matters a hill of beans. If it's all 'the weak are meat, the strong do eat' that governs, then that is no assurance of the 'live and let live' philosophy you and I would both espouse rests on any real principles. And in the end, neither you or I or anyone will be around for long to care a fig about any of this anyway.

If you start with Person and Love as fundamental reality, from which everything else is an extension, then everything is infused with meaning and purpose, and everything, including our struggle for Liberty, actually matters, as part of the cosmic becoming. And we will both be around to know it. :)

So what are you going to 'think'..

"Thinking itself is evidence to me that there is more than just a chain reaction of deterministic or random events in a meaningless material universe. I see human Knowing and Reason and Inference as more than just cause and effect in our chemical brains."

So what are you going to 'think' ( lol ) in 15 years when computer start ( REALLY ) thinking for themselves?

Also, I'm not sure how you would consider this evidence at all. ( it's really not ) Why wouldn't it be cause and effect in our brains? .. or evolution. Which IS REAL. ahem. REAL!

I don't believe that life has no meaning. It has whatever meaning you give it. You're just trying to make something out of nothing based probably mostly on fear, and your desire and need for there to be more to it.

The human mind...

...itself an extension of transcendent Mind can, as a subcreator, encode better and better emulations and extensions of ourselves into our machines. Whether these machines can ever truly participate in Love as spiritual beings is another question. I won't say it's impossible that they could eventually have such a coupling occur at the hands of Creator and subcreator.

Cause and effect is different than reasoning consequents from grounds. There's a great summary of that argument in C.S. Lewis's book 'Miracles', which I recommend.

Have a great 4th :). Let's hope our Liberty to enjoy these friendly debates lasts. Worrisome times -- but Love and Liberty will ultimately win through!

Micah68 - I like you

I know we disagree.. and I know I can be a jerk.. ( I'm sure that you've read some of my other posts on this topic. It's *usually* more reactionary than anything.. ) But I really appreciate the conversation. You're a decent guy.

I have to run for the evening too.

But, perhaps we'll talk more in the future. I hope you'll forgive me if I come off as offensive at times.. Honestly, I just don't understand religion. I really just don't get it.

And who knows.. maybe you ARE right. ;)

Happy 4th to you as well!

Thanks :)

We'll see if my 2 year old likes fireworks this year. Kind of freaked him out last time. :)

Talk to you again sometime.

Micah

It's the word of god.

Accept it.

Tsk tsk.

You yammer and babble like a superstitious fundamentalist from some backwater part of the Appalachians. If I were a betting man, I'd lay down 2:1 odds that you were probably touched in the no-no place by whatever perverted pastor was running the church your parents belonged to.

Assuming that this is not the case and/or you're not just trolling, look up the term "systematic theology". It'll start you down the road of sounding less like an idiot when trying to debate the topic of Christianity.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

( Face palm )...

I'll admit, It's hard to have a serious debate about someone's superstitions, fairy tales, magic dad, and PEOPLE's interoperation of events..

I like it when the pastors touch my no-no parts.. It's the closest to god I've ever felt.

Why the face palm?

Isn't this what you were looking for, a sarcastic response to match the overt trolling you've been engaging in since you popped up on this thread?

But to humor you, nobody is talking about superstition, fairy tales, magic dad (these are all distinct terms with varying definitions that don't speak to the concept of the supernatural) and frankly I'm probably less interested in PEOPLE'S interoperation of events either, particularly when it comes to wild concepts like carbon rocks magically turning into elephants because of an absurd number of centuries going by.

As to the bad touch issue concerning pastors, whatever floats your boat, but there is a strong correlation between such things and disliking discussions about religion. Don't let me stand in the way of you getting close to whatever perverted Greek deity endorses your preferred lifestyle. ;-)

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

You'll have to excuse me now..

You'll have to excuse me now.. I'm off to slay some homosexuals.. or maybe just a fortuneteller or two.

For the record..

For the record.. I love gay people, or "people" as I usually call them . Fortunetellers however, are definitely a sub-class of human which deserve what they've got coming!

Down voted for loving Gay people.

Jesus, I just can't win.

I promise to kill them: Down voted.
I change my mind and say I love them: Down voted.

You people are bi-polar.

Down voted..

.. for following the teachings of the lord? What the fuck?

You're not christian. You need to be put to death also!

Why do "pro lifers" elect murderers?

.

Why do pacifists kill?

Answer they don't, why? because if they did they would no longer be pacifists :)

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I guess only babies

deserve the right to life?

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

Nope.

Guess again.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Drudge has a followup today. linking to LIfe News...

and the National Review is linked from there: Pro life legislators have been threatened by supporters of Wendy Davis with bodily harm.

www.lifenews.com/2013/07/02/pro-abortion-wendy-davis-backers...

www.nationalreview.com/article/352583/pro-life-texas-legisla...

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

There is a growing spirit of anti-Christ in our country

I know many of you are not Christians, but there is abundant evidence that the mainstream in the U.S. (particularly the political left) has become outright hostile to anything associated with traditional Christian values. That is what I mean by anti-Christ. Why is that?

The so called liberals (and main stream conservatives too) promote a culture of death, selfishness, hate, and division. They attack anyone who believes in peace, freedom, life, and love. The progressives aren't about progress at all. They are ultimately about destruction.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

Religion (ie: superstition) is DYING!! THANK 'GOD'!

It can't happen soon enough!

Not really...

Most religious people are home-schooling now, and they tend to have more children than the so-called urban types who either abort, use birth control, et cetera. After this generation passes, being mostly childless, there will be an ideological realignment. Pity we probably won't be around to see it, but it's pretty much inevitable, just as there was a reawakening in the 19th century after the so-called Enlightenment.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

PS. Science will save you..

And you'll be around to see religion die.. Assuming that you can make it for 25-30 more years.

Stem cells... 3D printing replacement body parts.... growing/cloning human organs in animals.. bionic arms, eyes, ears, etc.

Artificial pancreases.

Body transplants.. ( yep, we have the technology for that now. )

Yep, some pretty crazy/cool things are coming your way.

Really?

You mean the way science saved Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

If Science is your god, you better stop wasting time talking to me and learn to love the bomb. lol

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton