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"We Need to Limit the Government and Get It Out of Our Lives!" (unless it's drugs, gay marriage, abortion, religion, etc...)

If your goal is to limit the power that the government has over us, it's probably not in yours (or anyone's) best interest to beg for government intervention in other peoples private lives.

It kinda hurts the argument :/

Whether it's drugs, gay marriage, abortion, or christianity...it's none of ANYONE'S business what people do in their private lives unless it is hurting someone else.

The fact is that people want to smoke some pot after a long day without being sent to prison, people want to marry who they love without seeking permission, women want to manage their bodies without politicians prying in, and christians want to practice their religion without interference.

And whether we agree or not on any of these issues, we just can't expect to keep the government out of our private lives unless we ask it to get out of our neighbors private lives too.

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Sounds reasonable.

How can it be murder, if it's not alive?

It's alive,


"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

It's an unanswerable question. (at least with much certainty)

That's why society is completely divided on the matter. Some of us are mature and can pan back from our own emotions and acknowledge that. Some others name call. I consider myself pro life AND pro abortion. I lean towards the "it's not a life any more than mixing sugar and flour in a bowl is a cake" position. At least for the first few months. Calling that "disgusting" assumes it's a life. Which to half of society, it is not. And being that opinions are so divided, one thing's for sure - the feds should certainly have no say in the matter.

Any statist is an enemy to liberty.

You brought up a great example of what I've heard from the "Tea Party" types. We, libertarians, are also being hit from the left "OWS" types. Governement should stay out of marriage, drugs, abortion, war, etc., but they need to redistribute wealth and provide cradle to grave benefits at gunpoint.

When debating "selective statists", I point out the inconsistentcy of their arguments. They argue that government is providing for the common good and advocate that if we just get the "right leaders" in governement everything will be great. They are searching for those morally perfect people, unaffected by positions of power, who will still use violence to further an agenda in the name of promoting the general welfare. This is the great unresolvable conflict in their arguments.

This is why Ron Paul brought us together

We all know how the Republicans and Democrats work. Republicans will promote liberty on the economic side and restrict you on the social issues. Democrats will restrict you on the economic issues and give you more liberty on the social issues. Ron Paul showed many a 3rd way which was to promote liberty in all aspects of your life. This is why I am here because I want freedom in all aspects of my life and not just a select few.

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The Eagle Is Gone!

The skunk has replaced the Eagle as the new symbol of the American Presidency.

It is half black, half white, and everything it does stinks.

Yes!! I LOVE using ones race when insulting them!

Got any more good ones "Meek and Mild"?

If the Eagle is gone

It's been replaced by a vulture

whats so good about eagles??

and bad about vultures??

The symbolism

An Eagle represents independence and freedom because it is a bird of pray, is strong, can fish and hunt, nurtures it's young, and is willing to fight a good fight for survival. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMEYWPmI6-E

Vultures are paracites.. they have an important job to do, eating the flesh of what is dead. They will not fight, rather, they wait until something dies, the predators have left, and it's safe to feast off rancid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoG_mU4ns1c




just what I was told the symbolism is. I asked what the eagle mant to my Dad decades ago. I like what he said in addition, that B. Franklin suggested the turkey as it was native.

need to patent

trademark el slogan

I think World Net Daily or the KKK might buy it!

they love race related jokes!

You have a confused philosophy

Your abortion argument ignores that two people may very well be involved; one being subject to violence and murder.

And as for gay marriage, "marriage" has been understood to be defined as a relationship between man and woman forever. Until very recently, it this was understood by all, without ambiguity,

What we have is a a group very adeptly using the power of politics and government to change the definition of a word. It is not about rights. If it were about equal rights, those could be conveyed without opening the dictionary, altering commonly understood definitions, and then enforcing the "new definitions" with government early childhood education.

It is the same with "climate change", which by the way, represents the ultimate global threat that justifies government control over ALL commerce and personal consumption; ultimately even where a person lives. If you fight it, you are a "flat earther" how hates the planet and imperils your fellow citizens.

It is the same as "terrorism", which justifies the regulation of all human interaction, travel, etc. If you oppose this, you are not patriotic. You are a threat.

"Marriage" no longer means "man" and "woman"... "mother" and "father". You can no longer say that.
You must say "parent 1" and parent 2". If you use the wrong terminology, it is hatred. You are a bigot, You must change! So says the Court. So say's the school. And as a matter of fact, if you work for a large corporation, so says your employer.

"Mother" and "Father" is now offensive. First it is expunged from legal documents, then, children's story books, then your conversation; finally, your mind

Ahhh yes, not only must the definition change, but also, the very images in one's head which the word invokes.

Is the government the final arbiter of all things moral? The definer of words? The great educator?

This gay marriage thing is not about rights. It is about rule and indoctrination. It is about cultural change from above, as an elite "correct" the masses and their outmoded view of things.


""marriage" has been understood to be defined as a relationship between man and woman forever"

If by "forever" you mean 200 years out of 10,000 and only by people that follow one particular magic sky daddy, then yes, you are correct.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Um right, Marriage Equality isn't about equal rights? LOL

And , NO, abortion involve one person, the mother who is in charge of caring for it.

Do you know how an umbilical cords works? A fetus is only a fetus at the whim of the mother and nature.

You have no right FORCING any individual into accepting YOUR moral beliefs.

Abortion is not murder.

It's one person and THEIR body.

What about your umbilical cord?

the one that stretches to Washington, D.C. Does that one make you non-human?

Go ahead and cut it

It's been wrapped around our throats anyway.

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I guess you've never seen the bodies

I think you need to go to youtube and type in "abortion videos", view a couple and then come back and try to say it's one person. Dude, the argument is no longer about whether it's murder or not. The argument is whether such murder should be allowed or not. No, the state should not allow this murder, let alone facilitate it with our tax dollars.

I agree that govt. should get out of the marriage business, because I don't think it has any right telling anyone what marriages they should accept.

Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle. Mary, Our Mother, protect us under your mantle.

I used to be anti-abortion and protested clinics when I was 6

personally I still am against it. It's awful. We have the technology and information available to prevent most of them though.

Do you think RU484 should be legal and available over the counter?

Most anti-abortion advocates are against that too, which would prevent the need to abort. but the issue is not black and white. If abortion was illegal that opens up Pandora's box of what the gov't can regulate and intervene in. besides the cost alone of raising every baby that was created would sink the government into a deeper fiscal hole let alone not having enough parents for all those kids. In much of the country gay parents who want to adopt are still banned from doing so.

One of the biggest ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies is sex-ed but unfortunately the same conservatives that are against abortion are also against sex-ed.

So people that are anti-abortion are actually helping create more!

We need to have an adult discussion about all sides if we are going to solve anything but usually the issue is demagogued to death.

Morning After Pill Should Be Over The Counter

Absolutely. This is the solution.

"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

"The msm is the enemy!"

But hey check out Ben Swann on Hannity tonight. And Rand Paul is going to be on the Five. And OMG here's a clip of Greenwald on PM. He gave it to him good. Yeah! The moneybomb just needs to be bigger next time. I think Beck is really coming around. We are winning!


I can swallow me some ben swann!

but would probably gag if i tried the others.


I thought we were just pointing out hypocrisy commonly found here at the DP. Guess I didn't get the game. :/