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Corporate Law vs Common Law - Freeman and Strawman Explained



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Look into Dean Clifford.

Look into Dean Clifford. He has been to jail a few times, but has never been convicted of anything because he was within his rights. Now he's taking legal action against all of the people who contributed to mandating his jail time.

familiar with that name

but this is your thread and these are your claims. Why don't YOU tell US what Dean Clifford has shown you to make you believe any of this strawman stuff is legit? I don't personally need to look into him; I know it is all bunk. But if you're claiming it isn't, why not show us the basis for this. (ANSWER: IT DOESN'T EXIST).

For someone to be cheerleading for Dean Clifford, that shows me you are not some innocent naive seeker of knowledge who may or may not have been duped.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

The point is that it appears

to not be a "con" based on this counter-example.

I don't care if you you choose to examine him or not; however if you can't accept the fact that there is at least one person out there who has been successful in the long term at using certain techniques to bypass Corporation law, well, maybe you should do some introspection.

Once Again You Are Arguing With A Crown Corporation Employee

Watch what you say. He is a Foreign intelligence agent.
I'm not joking.
Obviously he does this all day.
He is trying to get a rise out of you to identify your fellow patriots so the British can rank high value targets for "elimination".
You are just helping him by fingering Dean Clifford, who is right by the way.
The full time Crown agent who has been assigned to this site to disrupt it for several years already knows everything you are discussing here to be true.
His job is to lie, probe the enemy (Americans) disseminate disinformation, and identify leaders among the American Resistance.
You know they actually advertised the job to "take on multiple online personalities to collect intel and disrupt 'terror cells" just before boneless gizzard showed up.
After the boneless name is associated sufficiently with lies he will get a new DP identity - again!

Don't give him info, just point to him as what he is Crown Agent, British Accredited Registry, Esquire, or worse.

The Oracle

ROFL

and you should definitely stop "fingering Dean Clifford." That could get stinky!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

introspection

Hmmm. Well, he hasn't "been successful in the long term." He was arrested, had his car impounded, and then charges stayed, I believe. There is no indication that he "succeeded" at anything, and there is not even any indication that his "freeman" claims had anything to do with that.

The crime he was charged with is described by him on his own website as "spinning out and regaining control of a vehicle on private property." I am pretty sure that wasn't what the charging document said. But if those were the facts of the matter, it seems it is typical of the kind of low level offense that is frequently dismissed simply because there is little to be gained from prosecuting it. I'll be impressed when someone says they beat a serious charge, it was fully litigated and the judge says "golly gee Mr. Clifford, you're one of them freemen, and you're onto us! we can't assert our admiralty jurisdiction over you because you are the one man int he world who is so smart that he figured out what the deal is! Why you get to go free and not follow any laws because you proved you are sovereign. Here's a signed court order which says so."

Until then, I fart in your general direction.

And as I know the law, I can tell you that "Corporation law" is not what you say it is and there is no legal foundation for any of the strawman concepts. If you can't accept that maybe you need a psychologist.

IF however, you post proof of "success" or even something that one could reasonably infer it from, I would find that very interesting. But I'll go out on a limb here and predict "ain't gonna happen" because you've got nothing, and probably know it.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

If he weren't successful in

If he weren't successful in the long term, he would still be in jail, serving the time on those charges which were consequently thrown out. He is apparently confident he will be successful in the time yet to come, too. You're impression of this guy is not accurate. He drives around without license plates, doesn't pay tax, doesn't own ID's of any sort, etc.

Freemen exist.

Indeed They Do

Go see George Gordon in Missouri. He has Common Law Classes.
He and his wife haven't had license plates for over thirty years.
Also one of George's students, Carl Lentz is good resource to listen to.

The Oracle

I doubt it

Many people claim many things. Too many of these cons/frauds/charlatans have eventually been found out. You are foolish if you believe it just because they say it. Even Dean Clifford in his video admits he has all of the above/license/insurance/registration on his "work vehicle." How much you wanna bet that is the one he almost always drives? Hmmm?

It means nothing that someone has "common law classes." If that impresses someone like you, who has demonstrated that he has false beliefs and engages in ludicrous extrapolations, that might explain where they find people to attend. There are plenty of fools out there. And common law doesn't mean what these goons say it means. In fact, if you were to ask them how to define common law they probably couldn't even answer that. To anyone trained in the law it is simple, common law is case law. That's it. It isn't "law of hte commoners" otherwise so much of it wouldn't be so hard on the commoners.

You truly are delusional and I hope you find your way back to reality.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Nope

First, I disagree that a government staying charges means you have succeeded.

Second, in the long run he is only successful if his stuff works consistently. Yet, it hasn't even worked once.

Third, there is no proof that charges were stayed (as opposed to dropped) due to his freeman bs.

Fourth, the charges were only stayed and therefore could be reinstated. I.e., we're not yet to the long term. Why weren't they dropped if he is a "freeman" not subject to their jurisdiction, blabber blabber, etc.?

Fifth, if "freemen exist" then prove it.

Sixth, show me where a court has said he is right about being a freeman and not needing license plates, etc.

Seventh, once again, this was a de minimus offense that was dismissed because it was de minimus. Do you have one ounce of proof or knowledge that it was anything else? Or should I give in to the onslaught of common sense with this one?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Successful how?

Be specific.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

The best I can do is guess at

The best I can do is guess at another man's success; only the man knows if he has succeeded or not. To that effect, I say he has done and is still doing what he has set out to do. Listen to his interview on Red Ice creations. He sounds content with what he has done and is still doing it. Otherwise, I imagine he would not be doing it.

I say he is living on his own terms; a free man, free to do whatever isn't restricted to him by the law of the land.

Um...

...by "success" I didn't mean whether he is happy with his life, fulfilled as a human spiritually, at peace with the world, has good vibrations, etc. I meant show me where his legal theories succeeded in a court of law.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

then you're either a mark or your in on the con

it isn't about him being "free" or "freer" than the rest of us. He makes money off of this scam. Either you are here disingenuously trying to promote it, or you are supremely naive and have bought into it hook, line and sinker without once asking for proof.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

exactly

he'll never say. These guys are a dime a dozen. And not even a silver dime.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

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"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Two Completely Different Governments in America

The Republic is for Men and Women called American Nationals. The democracy is ONLY for U.S. citizens.
U.S. citizens are uninhabited vessels. That's the definition, Ghost Ships, nobody aboard.
Get rid of the U.S. citi zen ship and one is suddenly free, gets a new passport, no TSA line, no taxes, no more rules by Congress or State legislatures to bow down to.

Social Security is what creates the abandoned vessel which the democracy rules over. Look to collapse your Social security Trust if you want to leave the fictional Socialist State.

It's wonderfully free to be not in the Democracy.
Long live the Republic.
Oh won't you come on over?

The Oracle

oh that's rich

post a copy of your "new passport" that says you are your own sovereign and not a US or other country's citizen. We're waiting.

...What a bunch of crap.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Spoken Like a True Treasonous Bastard Crown Attorner

My new passport will remain private as intended.
But I'll be happy to give you my citizens name once I kill him off.
That way you can search in vain for the liquidated citizenship.
I am not Crown property (a U.S. citizen).
The U.S. citizen ship is my property.
I am not a civilly dead bankrupt entity like your charachter either.
Nor do I share your occult black heart.

The Oracle

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heh heh heh

i see you found the rubber chicken plucker
or it found you (no matter)
it tried a post here a while back,tried to get
us to spill the beans,you know,get us to say where we get our info from
when that didn't happen,a name change was in order,to hide her identity
but that didn't work
the crowned crony is still here,trying,hard mind you,to get some facts
or a site,anything to help the handlers out
I can say,when i am bored,i get a real kick out of its comments
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

oooh my handlers

So anyone who asks you to prove your preposterous fake reality is a "government informant" who has a "handler". I should've known. I could've asked for payment in fiat currency.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

least you forget

Communist China is a Republic, and so are each of our states.

Who's States are Republic's?

Can you name one?

The Oracle

California Republic is Indeed a Republic STATE OF CALIFORNIA

Is not a Republic. That is a communist State called by the synonym "Democracy".
In a democracy no one owns anything because to join a democracy you have to sign over all you property and lawful rights to the collective will. That's what the Social Security contract was. You signed up for citizenship in a communist state called THE STATE OF UNITED STATES.
It is neither your Nationality (American National) nor the California Republic that is the problem. It is your voluntary entry into a communist state Social Security (Washington D.C. Internal government/Democracy) that is the source of all the misery.

The Oracle

Don't knock my state

CA has lost it's way, that's for sure, but I KNOW we can return this great state to the REPUBLIC it was born to be.

I was born here, like my Mom, yet, my social security contract is not with CA.. BTW.. we didn't live here when I came of age.. my Dad was stationed elsewhere and that is where my SS# is from.

CA is not a Republic

There are two opposite States in California. Each is completely Foreign to the other. One is a lawful State, called California Republic. The Other is an unlawful State called CA or STATE OF CALIFORNIA which is merely a franchise of DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA MUNICIPAL CORPORATION. In fact DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA underlies one square foot of land under each of those U. S. mailboxes. The mailboxes are in the DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.

I'm only knocking the unlawful foreign impostor State "STATE OF CALIFORNIA". I'm not knocking California Republic.

You mean after nearly three years of explaining it here on DP you still don't know the Difference between California Republic and STATE OF CALIFORNIA?

Can you name the current California Republic's Governor?

If you have an SS card then you are a card carrying member of the unlawful impostor communist State.
You are a card carrying member of the international communist party. You worship fictions, Essentialy Lucifer, and are practicing Black Magic and the Occult.

There is actually no STATE OF CALIFORNIA, it's a figment of the imagination which people agreed exists so they can do unlawful things and blame it on the imaginary STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
The Devil made me do it!

There are after all, just us people here. There is no STATE OF CALIFORNIA. Government in fact does not exist from my perspective among the living. Only people exist.

Your SS card is a license to kill, steal, lie, kidnap and generally be in a completely free and democratic State. Free from any lawful self restraint. Free to lie, steal, kidnap and kill.

Yeah, I'm knocking that STATE. The criminal socialist State.
CA ain't great, never was, never will be.

The Oracle

Please tell me more.

I have recently scratched the surface on this issue and transportation code but don't yet understand the where and what to research for understanding. Any help and insight is greatly appreciated.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

Who Owns the Car You Travel In?

You might want to check that out first.
A good lawyer always looks for the first defect.
Works for appliance repair too, usually the breaker is tripped.

The Oracle