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Leave Michael Nystrom alone and stop talking about your 1st amendment rights here

Now some of you will down vote this without even reading it which makes you twice as ignorant and help prove my point.

This is a common problem and I am sick of it. Leave the guy alone or start your own forum.

Why does Michael need a reason at all to explain his actions or how he runs his website? It's his site he has the right to do what he wants without having to explain it to anyone.

For those of you claiming he is censoring me, ok so what if he is? You have the right to censor someone on your site too.

This is my personal favorite.

For those of you that are going to claim that he is infringing on your 1st amendment rights are plain IGNORANT and need to go back and re read the constitution and bill of rights. It says CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW, not Michael Nystrom shall make no law, what rights do you think you have here? Answer, NONE! You are a guest on someone else private property, you are free to start your own site and run it how ever you wish; however, you have NO RIGHT to tell anyone on their private property what to do.

That's a big problem around here, many claim to want to defend the constitution and stand up for their right but they don't even understand the constitution or their rights. How do you protect and defend something when you have no clue what it means? This makes all of you that are ignorant of your rights and the constitution no better than the people you complain about daily.

There is a saying, better to sit there and look like an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Please, before you speak about rights and the constitution as fact, know what you are talking about first. Ignorance does not help our cause.

Disclaimer : I am in no way speaking for Michael Nystrom and have no direct knowledge of censorship or not, I am just an upset and concerned DP member that one day hopes some of you that are ignorant will become educated and help our movement.

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Couldn't have said it better

I tried to explain this to people before, but they down vote me and continue to cry like little girls.

Grow some thicker

Skin people, you'll need it.

While your language is a little strong..

Name calling makes walls go up quickly. :)

That being said, I probably deserved to be banned over a hot thread I posted a few months ago. I took a break and am thankful I wasn't.

Could you imagine the amount of work and stress the DP is? I personally do not believe I could handle half of the amount of BS that Mr. Nystrom does. We are lucky to have him.

The DP is his property. If he doesn't want the topic on his site, more power to him. Ive been here for a long time and believe he does his best to be fair. I haven't agreed with every single thing, nor should I!!!

Take a deep breath and give the man a break. This community is hard to handle. We are a large group of extreme individualists.(what a paradox!) Thats going to bring together a lot of unique individuals and some with strong opinions.

Its also what makes our community so awesome.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Right on tha $$$, P.

Good reminder.

What would the Founders do?

coffee_sponge's picture

Michael has been more than fair

in allowing a free flow of ideas, in my humble opinion. In my experience, Michael gives much leeway in what he allows people to post here. I don't believe he is attempting to censor ideas, but to maintain the integrity of the Daily Paul.

Without some standards this site could degenerate into a chaos that would greatly diminish its effectiveness. If Karl's Roving freedom-averse operatives thought they could get away with it they would systematically catalyze such a process.

No one could perform such an essential, time-consuming and thankless task in a perfect fashion, but I believe Michael does an outstanding job.

FWIW

This is Michael's Home

"...you have NO RIGHT to tell anyone on their private property what to do."

"We’ve moved beyond the Mises textbook. We’re running in the open market." - Erik Voorhees

I guess I didn't catch the controversy that started this--

or the debate that started this, but I want to state that I appreciate someone/anyone who has 'followed' Ron Paul who lets me come on his blog and talk--

Busy bodies have become a real trial for me in my life lately--

there are those who are always trying to fix other people--

a place where I can read what is really happening in the world is extremely valuable to me--

Thanks, Michael--

About being censored, etc.--

I've been a 9/11 truther, and I've never been told I can't talk about it, not by the moderators--

but I have read dozens of posts by well-meaning DPers saying that *my* talking about what may or may not have happened on 9/11 is 'hurting the liberty movement', somehow.

That has become annoying.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

TwelveOhOne's picture

I want to make it clear

That I am not at all talking about "rights". I'm talking about destructive actions on Michael's (and his charges') part which negatively affected my perception of the management of this site.

These actions have caused several of my friends to no longer contribute to this site, both financially and in terms of posts and comments.

These actions have caused myself to stop my monthly contribution.

If these actions are reversed (and Michael can convince Fishyculture to return), my monthly contributions will continue.

I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.
http://fija.org - Fully Informed Jury Association
http://jsjinc.net - Jin Shin Jyutsu (energy healing)

I noticed skippyd has been removed too--what's the scoop?

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Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Fishyculture is gone from DP?

I'll kind of miss the amusing conspiracy theories Fishyculture posted, such as the "Manchurian Candidate" theory re the Boston bombings -- that one in particular was a hoot.

deacon's picture

and i have missed

your head in the sand responses and answers here
it was really quite humorous at times
keep up the good work,i need some more laughs

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Fishyculture?

is that you?

deacon's picture

nope

wanna guess agin?
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Michael Nystrom's picture

Ok, thanks for the clarification - got it. Loud and clear.

My response:

"Destructive actions" is a matter of opinion. I'm not going to have the site held hostage by some drama queens hiding behind anonymous screen names.

For all I know you could be fishyculture in disguise. And for all I know, fishyculture could be a a hired disinformation agent. Trying to sort out all these anonymous usernames is like boxing with ghosts. Therefore I can only go by the limited information available to me here, on the pages of the DP: words and actions.

There are certain people that I would not choose to associate with in person, based on their words and actions, and I maintain that stance online. I'm not interested in being held hostage for a few dollars in monthly contributions. That's not the kind of person I am.

In the end, I'm much more satisfied with the DP now than before my vacation, as are countless others who have expressed their thanks to me privately.

I realize that the DP cannot be all things to all people, and cannot please everyone. You are still free to interact with fishy however you choose.

I love you too. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you too.
Michael

TwelveOhOne's picture

Well, let's first respond to this baseless accusation

Fishyculture is "Amommamust" on YouTube, as she has stated here in the past. And you know full well who I am, because you have my financial details. Plus you have IP addresses showing we're in different states, and logs showing posting/commenting at different times. Yes, there are objections to each of these ("you could be renting a computer in the other state" etc), but I just don't have the financial incentive to go that far. I love this site, and want to see it continue. Don't make accusations if you don't have the data, it's poor form. (Especially when you have the contrary data.)

From reading her posting and commenting history there is very little chance that she is a disinfo agent. I hope that the same can be concluded of myself.

I'm sorry you feel that I am committing some form of "hostage" by stating that you did not post updates to the rules when you then had moderators take action on them (the updated non-posted rules that is). You're running a business, and from this specific instance I perceive that you're not being consistent. And this has caused my friend, who I bought a camera so she could continue to post videos as "Amommamust", to depart and not return for, now, over a month: http://www.dailypaul.com/user/14385

I hope that something will happen in the future to change my mind and resume donating. Until then, I am sad that I have lost a friend due to your inconsistent actions.

Consistency. That's the key here.

I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.
http://fija.org - Fully Informed Jury Association
http://jsjinc.net - Jin Shin Jyutsu (energy healing)

Michael Nystrom's picture

I have no idea who you are

I suppose I could piece it together through paypal records, email addresses, etc., but its hardly like I keep tabs on everyone: Who donates, how much, etc. In fact I don't do that on purpose so that money won't be an influencing factor in maintaining fairness.

I do recall that someone gave fishy a camera, so that does ring a bell, but I'm not omniscient or anything. I don't pay attention to every relationship, and every conversation on here. I expect people to be, and act like adults. That includes having respect for others, as well as the integrity of the site.

As for consistency, here are the DP's posting guidelines. She violated rules 1, 5 and 7. Repeatedly. Most people here, including myself, have violated probably every rule there. That is why I give everyone here lot of leeway. Lots. I think others here will vouch for me in that regard.

People have bad days. People end up here drunk posting. Sometimes people just don't know what they're doing or saying. Sometime people just make bad judgement. I understand all of that. I've been there myself. My patience and compassion for people runs long and deep, but IT IS NOT INEXHAUSTIBLE. I'm not going to keep fighting someone forever. She pushed and pushed and pushed and finally used up her last drops of my patience and compassion for her. What do you expect me to do, open up a vein and bleed myself out for her? Sorry, it ain't me, babe.

You may think I'm not being consistent, because you don't know the whole story. This squandering of my patience and compassion goes back years - years before you were even here.

So it is pretty arrogant of you to call me inconsistent on something you don't have all the facts on. There is a reason her own kids don't talk to her anymore. Think about it.

Until then, I am sad that I have lost a friend due to your inconsistent actions.

I'm not sure what to make about this statement. If she's such a good friend, why don't you just call her up on the phone?

TwelveOhOne's picture

Thank you for your response

You've given me some things to think about.

I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.
http://fija.org - Fully Informed Jury Association
http://jsjinc.net - Jin Shin Jyutsu (energy healing)

I agree with you on this one.

I agree with you on this one. We talk saying that this site is Micheal's private property but it is also a contractual obligation. I pay $5 a month to be on this site. Five bucks is not a lot but I work hard for my money and every bit counts. That puts me in a contract with the DP in which if I abide by the stated rules of the site I am allowed full access to the site that I paid for.

I am not sure exactly what happened to Fishy (if someone could enlighten me on this that would be great) but we have a right to state our opinions on the matter just as I have a right to state my opinion in any business in which I feel I am not getting what I paid for.

As a paying community the DP is just as much the users as it is the site owner.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

Yeah, we get it twelve zero one...

why don't you just change your screen name to 'I'll send you some money if you let blah blah fishy blah' and save us all some grief.

Pandas eat bugs.

Your post is based on my post which grew out of another post...

WHEN WILL IT END!?!
:)

Pandas eat bugs.