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I'm Having Second Thoughts About Mr. Snowden

On the surface of things, Ed Snowden looks like a hero.


Please read this excellent article. It's long, that's why I posted "Snips."


NSA? CIA? These guys live for high-level bull$hit. They get down on their knees and worship it. They fall into a suicidal funk if they aren’t lying on at least three or four levels at once.

Okay. Let’s look at Snowden’s brief history as reported by The Guardian. Are there any holes?

Is the Pope Catholic?


The tightest and strongest and richest and smartest spying agency in the world can’t find its own employee. It’s in the business of tracking, and it can’t find him.

It’s in the business of security, and it can’t protect its own data from its employees.

If you believe all that, I have timeshares to sell in the black hole in the center of the Milky Way.

Here is a more likely scenario.

Snowden never saw any of those thousands of documents on an NSA computer. Never happened. He didn’t hack in. He didn’t steal anything.

He was working an op, either as a dupe or knowingly. He was working for…well, let’s see, who would that be?

Who was he working for before he entered the private sector and wound up at NSA?

The CIA.

Would that be the same CIA who hates the NSA with a venomous fervor?

Would that be the same CIA who’s been engaged in a turf war with NSA for decades?

The same CIA who’s watched their own prestige and funding diminish, as human intelligence has given way to electronic snooping?

Yes, it would be. CIA just can’t match the NSA when it comes to gathering signals-intell.

Wired Magazine, June 2013 issue. James Bamford, author of three books on the NSA, states:

“In April, as part of its 2014 budget request, the Pentagon [which rules the NSA] asked Congress for $4.7 billion for increased ‘cyberspace operations,’ nearly $1 billion more than the 2013 allocation. At the same time, budgets for the CIA and other intelligence agencies were cut by almost the same amount, $4.4 billion. A portion of the money going to…[NSA] will be used to create 13 cyberattack teams.”

That means spying money. Far more for NSA, far less for CIA.

Turf war.

People at the CIA were able to access those NSA documents, and they gave the documents to Snowden and he ran with them.

The CIA, of course, couldn’t be seen as the NSA leaker. They needed a guy. They needed a guy who could appear to be from the NSA, to make things look worse for the NSA and shield the CIA.


Perhaps you recall that, in the early days of this scandal, Snowden claimed he could spy on anyone in the US, including a federal judge or even the president, if he had their email addresses.

Uh-huh. But the combined talents of the NSA, now, can’t spy on Snowden. I guess they just can’t find his email address.

If Snowden is still working for the CIA, he and his buds aren’t the only people who want to take the NSA down a notch. No. Because, for example, NSA has been spying on everybody inside the Beltway.

Spying on politicians with secrets.

That includes a major, major, prime NSA target: Congress.


If you’re a Congressman or a Senator, and you know NSA is spying on you, because it’s spying on everyone in the Congress, who’s your potential best friend?

Somebody who can go up against the NSA, somebody who wants to go up against the NSA.

And who might that be?

The CIA.


Goldman Sachs, Chase, and Morgan consider trillion-dollar trading markets their own private golden-egg farm. They run it, they own it, they manipulate it for their own ends.

If NSA has been looking over their shoulders for the past 30 years, discovering all their knowledge, and operating a meta invasion, siphoning off enormous profits, NSA would rate as Enemy Number One.

And would need to be torpedoed.

Enter Ed Snowden.


Full article linked above, well worth the long read, very interesting.

Thank you, Jon Rappoport.

Who...or What is benefiting from the Ed Snowden Affair?

America looks really bad right now to the rest of the world, to add insult on top of injury.

Who looks really good right now to many young, impressionable people?

Russia, China, Hong Kong, Equador, Bolivia, and Venezuela.

All countries with big ties to world socialism.

And Glenn Greenwald, the man who broke the story happens to be a socialist himself.

Is the ultimate purpose of this pysop to make people think that world socialism is solution to America's problems?

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The real deal

Governments do not create international incidents by re-routing presidential planes from other nations because they are bored.

They are foaming at the mouth desperate to have this drama close fast, and try to do as they usually do and push it down the memory hole.

This time, things have broken. The trust that even the dumbest of animals had, is all but gone.

The curtain is pulled back for the man in the street.

In the eyes of the public, the only cards a government holds is trust.

Only when something affects the man in the street personally, on an emotional level, will they ever care.

People's privacy has been raped. And everyone knows it now.
This is hyper serious.

This is the real deal.

It is possible they are pushing a reconstruction era and

even using libertarianism to clear some of the harder blocks from their path to communize paramilitary ops on all this new fertile land.


Ed Snowden is a good dude, not a person who sticks in the memory for political ammo, but for individuals to wake up to constitutional concerns of their neighbors and organize around transparency in general.. not just the NSA

speaking out is a good thing, just be peaceable because life is too precious for anymore hate; we have to find the proper creative outlets to express the reaction the public deserves.

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

The conclusion is:

That the NSA is not building a data center and collecting everything, contrary to other whistle-blower's revelations.

One Phone Company CEO was asked to hook up 6 months before 911.

The important story: Is the government invading people's privacy for the purpose of blackmail?

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IMO, I don't think so.

The government is throwing out a red herring hero, for the purpose of war in the ME and sanctions in South America to soften them up for rape and pillage after Syria and Iran are done and dusted.

What has that to do with the important question?

Is the government illegally spying in spite of their oath to the Constitution?

It the treason real?

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Global politics takes

precedence over the constitution.They don't give a rats about the Constitution, because they don't give a rats about America.

Yes, "They" is an untouchable strawman, that doesn't care.

Maybe we should hang the oathbreakers. Or at least contest their criminal behavior by trying the man or woman doing harm.

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I am always impressed when

I am always impressed when people are voted down for thinking...this is ALWAYS a valuable critical thinking question regardless of what the "news" is:

"...Who...or What is benefiting from the _______________(fill in the blank)?

If we are critical thinkers...we have to ask these questions. How else can we ever ascertain the truth?

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

The downvotes weren't for thinking, but the results.

I think the point was missed. The messenger isn't the story, the message is.

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What if this was the story Hastings was about to report on...

This is complete speculation with absolutely no evidence to back it up, but what if this was the story Hastings said he was about to reveal about the CIA? In case you haven't seen the video, you can watch it here. It's quite long though, but the relevant portion is here: http://youtu.be/dUYMPZ4nEOY?t=24m58s

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It's an interesting theory, but

It's an interesting theory, but I get the taste of one shortcoming before I'd accept its soundness.

If it were only all about an intestine battle between one paranoid bureaucratic "intelligence" agency and one of its modern offsprings... how come they'd be so dumb and reckless to take the risk of shooting in their own foot while trying to take down the new unwelcome surveillance geeks in their block?

I ask because if you take any random sample of obamanoids or neocons who'd care at minima about their privacy and would still be in delusion of having any of it left to date, I bet that not even 5% of them would make or tell any difference between the two bureaucratic bodies.

So, a clever internal psy-op let gone global and loose to make people outraged about the NSA's prerogatives but not for a bit about its CIA ancestor, installed long before?

Unlikely, IMO, or if I'm wrong, then masses are even more dumbed down and known to be so than I ever imagined (who'd boo the NSA but never question the CIA itself sooner or later, down the road).

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

When they called this 30 year old kid

an NSA "INSIDER". I knew the BS was running deep. This kid is a useful idiot at best.

TLDR but I agree

This smells of an interagency power struggle. Snowden was CIA. He was recruited from the SF which is where the CIA does a lot of recruiting. And the recent business with the NSA/FBI outing Petreus, which the CIA surely knew about but wanted him there anyway. And the CIA has a long working relationship with the KGB so Russia could make a lot of sense, the CIA has channels with the FSB to make it work.

However just because he may be serving the CIA doesn't mean he isn't still a hero and a help to us. In his mind he could still be doing it for good reasons. Even bad people doing bad things usually convince themselves of this. And even if his motives are not out motives he's still done us a service.

The CIA is bad juju, but if this is a CIA v NSA battle I'm pulling for the CIA here.

Why would you be pulling for

Why would you be pulling for the CIA after you just said, "the CIA has a long working relationship with the KGB?"

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Relax fellow patriot:)

If this is interagency tiff, I'm just pulling for the CIA over the NSA. I'm not confused about what the CIA is. But this is a known evil that has usually been a generalized threat to freedom due to the perpetual international conflict it creates.

But the NSA is a direct and immediate threat.

I agree

Something stinks with Snowden. He gets way too much mainstream coverage and could have been effortlessly apprehended by now. I seriously doubt he's a tool in some intragovernmental turf war, though. All U.S. "security" agencies have a binding common interest in preserving the yields and capitulation of Uncle Sam's cash cows.These two agencies fueding is as authentic as democrat/republican contentions.

The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it


I think the CIA has given the media the go ahead for this to be covered. What's not clear to me what the end game is. Well I'm sure it involves the NSA being taken down a peg or three. But exactly how?

Maybe Hastings had that scoop.

Government employees are

Government employees are having trouble tying their own shoe laces these days. Too much fluoride and non-critical thinking skills are prolific among their ranks. From the Boston bombing debacle to the botched Hastings assassination. Government employee ineptness abounds.

ES is the real deal.

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I'm with you on this zoo,

and now the threatened sanctions to the (mainly South American) countries
that offer asylum.
Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, The Ecuadorian Embassy, the harassment of Bolivia, the stirring up of the EU and Russia, Bruce Fein, the CIA.
It's all abit pat isn't it.

i dont!

i actually like the guy.

Isn't the CIA and the

Pentagon the same thing?
I thought it was a tax payer money go round between the CIA and the Military Industrial Banking.