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Why all the hate for The Southern Avenger?

Yeah I know he pissed some of us off but make no mistake, most of his beliefs align with ours. This is the Jack Hunter I remember and how we're allowing the media to walk all over him doesn't just hurt Hunter, it hurts all of us:



This is what we're alowing:


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Politics is a dirty rotten game.

Lincoln conned the broke Norther States that the South was ripe for the picking.

His new union went bankrupt before 20 years.

Was there nothing to avenge; A Republic relegated to the dustbin of history, perhaps?

Free includes debt-free!

"allowing the media to walk all over him"

You think when we complain about the MSM on the DP they come here to find out what we're saying and change their behavior accordingly? The MSM doesn't pay attention to us and even if they did, they wouldn't change their behavior.

No, you are correct.

But they know they are being ignored. Their behavior is just starting to change.

But they are too late. They played the lie too long.

Everyone knows

If you don't fall on your sword over your hate for a president who's been dead for a century and a half, you're too establishment!

This is the way I see it as a Native American, Spanish, Portuges

e and Greek.

Lincoln's actions caused more American deaths than any other president. Every other modern nation ended slavery without a civil war. Lincoln didn't even care if slavery was abolished. He said "If I could keep slavery and save the union I would".. quote can be checked but it is pretty clear. Even a liberal collectivist admitted it to Ron Paul during an interview.

Lincoln was wrong on state's rights no matter how you call it. States were already abolishing slavery and granting asylum before the civil war.

Lincoln might have said it,

Lincoln might have said it, but it doesn't mean he meant it.

Aside from that, it is clear that there was a significant portion of the Republican party that was unwaveringly anti-slavery. Though that alone wasn't enough, of course.

Look, it is clear from history, that slavery was becoming a dividing issue. I don't see how Ron Paul's solution to the problem would have solved anything (the government buys the slaves from the slave-owners); he'd still need their consent.

In other countries, slavery ended because you either had a strong government whose word was law, or, slavery was so limited that there was little backlash when it was outlawed.

In any case, what I take from the Civil War is that while it is wrong to say that the North "primarily" fought to "abolish slavery on moral grounds", it is very correct to say that the South "primarily" fought to "keep slavery".

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

True, but the slave trade -

True, but the slave trade - the true moral failing of slavery - was outlawed in the Confederate States' Constitution.

Andrew Napolitano for President 2016!

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Only the foreign slave trade,

Only the foreign slave trade, which Congress had already banned.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

Most of the "Slave Trade"...

insofaras the American progenitors are concerned, had it's financial backing, ship ownership and resulting revenue flows, centered in the Northern New England States...Connecticut being a "hotbed"...just pipin' in...

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

The Neo Cons

are making their move to push Rubio as a Republican frontrunner for 2016. To do that they need to attack Rand Paul and paint Rubio as someone minorities could support. They are using the immigration bill in congress to make Rubio appear as the champion for immigrants and at the same time paint Rand as a racist. They can't go after Rand directly so they targeted Hunter who works for Rand and who at one time suggested Lincoln was bad president. blah blah blah. Good thing NO ONE watches Maddow except brain dead liberals who would never vote for Rand (or Rubio) anyway.

The Neocons

will lose !

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams


of his affiliation with Austen Peterson, when they attacked a large amount of the Liberty movement, basically saying we are hurting them, and we shouldn't be a part of it.

Conspiracy theorists. I think they are controlled opposition.
All though, they did put out some Rad comic cards...

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

Beats me, in 2011 it was all

Beats me, in 2011 it was all "Hire Jack Hunter!", in 2013 its "Boycott Jack Hunter!"

True, he has been rude towards everyone that talks about conspiracy's this last year or two,(except for Ron and Rand of course), but he is a consistent PaleoConservative, and always stands with the best Liberty Candidates.

Ron Paul on his son Rand Paul:
"he does a lot of things similarly, but I think he does everything better. Than I have done over the years,"

No one trusts him because he

No one trusts him because he essentially endorsed Romney along with Rand BEFORE the convention was even held (cue revisionist historians here).

Don't forget your enemies, lest they stab you again.

He doesn't deserve to be trusted. He appears as a coopted front for the establishment. And, this is coming from someone who knows him personally.

For what its worth, Jack

For what its worth, Jack Hunters defense of Rands endorsement was posted on the official Ron Paul campaign site, ronpaul2012.com.

I did NOT support Romney by the way, and Jack mentioned his own support of the Michael Peroutka the Constitution Party's candidate in 2004, in said defense of Rand.

Ron Paul on his son Rand Paul:
"he does a lot of things similarly, but I think he does everything better. Than I have done over the years,"

I won't argue that you know

I won't argue that you know Jack personally nor will I comment about your feelings towards him but the media is making anti-Lincoln sentiments (based on his tyranny) look like racist ramblings.

You are right, and I actually

You are right, and I actually agree that Lincoln was a horrible president. A good president would have avoided that war. But, maybe it was inevitable. I have read "The Real Lincoln," and it is an amazing documentary, and very well cited. My point about Jack is just that he seems to have started towing the line more than he used to. The question is: why? Why say Romney? Why defend Romney? I'm sure you have seen all his videos against Romney, so it just looks so fake.

I think you may answer your own question here.

If public support had been for the Constitution, the civil war and the controversy about Hunter today would have never happened.

That said, the bankers had Lincoln by the balls but he stood up. And went to a play.

He couldn't resend anything he thought temporary. A lesson to us all.

For attacking the socialist, racist lincoln

The Real Lincoln ~Thomas Dilorenzo.

Free includes debt-free!

It'd be funny

if this attack plot was hatched at bilderberg.

I believe you mean ironic.

I believe you mean ironic. What the media is putting Jack through isn't funny at all. It's sad and demeaning to anyone who doesn't buy the Lincoln propaganda.

it would be the irony that

would make me laugh.

It's not mutually exclusive. Something can be funny and ironic and funny because it's ironic etc.

Love the man

Freedom fighter.

I do not have to agree with 100% of his views.
To Love and support Jack Hunter.

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The most surprising thing

The most surprising thing about the "hit piece" on Jack was his acknowledgement that sometimes he says extreme things to get attention. You can't do that and then on the other hand criticize those that do it.

The problem I have with Tom Woods, Jack Hunter, Adam Kokesh, Alex Jones, etc. is that they so often tend to live in their own little bubble. They very frequently only parrot the arguments of their side, and they never properly address the arguments of the others. Most frequently, they debate other opinions in absentium and then flanderize those views. Woods can be a little forgiven for this, but the rest are so-called "truth-seekers" and journalists, they should do research. This happens sometimes to the ridiculous extreme where Kokesh or Jones simply make shit up, or a little less harmlessly when Hunter and Woods just ignore the facts that they don't like. Hunter in particular considers himself a Constitutional expert, yet frequently he forgets that there are parts other than the 10th amendment. Woods is very guilty of hiding facts to fit his view. For example, he talks frequently about how there was much more economic growth in the 19th century compared to the 20th, using the value of the dollar as his metric. While at the same time, forgetting every other metric like wages, purchasing power, life expectancy, quality of life, etc. He praises Singapore and Hong Kong as places of libertarianism and limited government, even though the only limited thing about them is a low flat-rate tax (which often turns out to be effectively very high).

Ron/Rand are also often guilty of the above. Probably the worst transgression was when both of their published budget proposals had significant mathematical errors in them. That kind of thing just makes me tune out. If you want to be President of this country, yet can't make the simple effort to put out a mathematically correct model, your credibility plummets. Then when economists dismiss it, Ron/Rand say "look at these elitists childishly dismissing my points! They are AFRAID!" No, they are holding you to the same standard they hold anyone else. Like submitting a resume with a formatting error.

I contrast this with someone like Judge Napolitano who is very open to looking at and arguing with the points that other "sides" make, and is willing to acknowledge that some of these issues are a matter of "I think my way is right", not "I know my way is right". That element of doubt/humility is important.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

Different lumps

Don't lump Tom Woods in with Kokesh and Jones. Woods is a level-headed intellectual.

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

Jack's statement, in my

Jack's statement, in my opinion, was an attempt at saving his position on Rand's staff, fair enough. But the media is pretending Hunter slipped under their radar and that his views were never transparent which is complete and utter BS! The man has been a pundit and a radio DJ for years. Jack is a good dude and to see him treated like the second coming of David Duke by the same people who champion killing Persians is infuriating.

Because we do not defend the free

speech of the david dukes, regardless if we find it offensive, it absolutely guarantees that our, or people we support, will have their speech attacked. I don't think you don't understand this, just wanted to reply to duke reference.


Liberty = Responsibility

I'm sure he understands it.

If not, thanks for educating.

I remember SA..

being an awesome voice and advocate for our movement. Jack was one of the most vocal allies during the 2007/08 campaign. He stood up to the party and supported our philosophy.

I dont read him much anymore. His YT page hasn't been updated in a while.

I will continue to support him.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Honestly I haven't paid enough attention to him to hate him,

because his voice is so annoying. He sounds like he is constantly whining.

He's like nails on a chalkboard to me.