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He makes wars to cease unto the end of the earth! Psalm 46

PSALM 46

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.

2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;

3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.

4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.

5 God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.

6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

7 The Lord of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.

8 Come, behold the works of the Lord, what desolations he hath made in the earth.

9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.

10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

11 The Lord of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.



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I loved reading

this, thanks for posting.

I just want to say that I recall a while back there was a post asking, begging, demanding Nystrom create a 'Religion' sub-forum, as this topic is unwanted and/or agitates some members.

Well, he did. And this post is properly categorized. So, why do you haters/unbelievers come here? Do you really not have enough self-control to skip posts that are contentious to yourself, but bring comfort to others?

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

did the "new" testament modify the "old" testament?

and if so, should the old be quoted verbatim?

just curious as to the groups thoughts. trying to understand.

peace.

You can't read scripture

You can't read scripture soley with your mind.

The truth only comes by the spirit.

i.e. When you hear a pure person -- or should I say a person of high purity like Ron Paul -- your comprehension of his words is in no small part a spiritual experience.

Our minds are idiot boxes they default to win/lose status mostly.

Hence we struggle with the stumbling blocks of conflict in scripture.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I am trying to learn ways to tell people that very same thing!
or at least get them to think about it....

your advice please.... sometimes in conversations with people, I will ask them "is the earth cooling off? or is it on fire?

this gives me clues as to how to both respect them and to get them to think about it.
it as never been taken as a rude question to my knowledge..... telling them directly that there are conflicts in Scripture has produced that result however....

sort of,

"did the "new" testament modify the "old" testament?"

Sort of, the old testament tells us what morality is and a lot about
God and how we should live our lives, the new testament tells us about how Christ died on the cross and forgave ALL of our sins.

But, he said "Go and sin no more, I believe sin is the same as it ever was, but if we repent of our sins and seek his will, he will forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

so the whole Bible is the word of God, but you will not understand one testament without the other one, so yes it can all be quoted.

By the way, I do not believe in God "just because some old musty book says too" I believe in him because I have had experiences that leave me with no other choice.

Hail Satan!

Praise be to Satan and The Anti-Christ! May you be cursed by the Almighty Dark Lord!

hahaha just kidding but Seriously WTF is the point of this post???

if you cannot ask an intelligent question......

why don't you just leave them alone?

"what's the point of you post" isn't an intelligent Question?

im just trying to understand!

are you making my point? or am I making your's?

Humans throughout history have invented Gods. it is simply 'Human"

the "point" of the post was obvious.

But what is the point of posting scripture?

I mean it's straight scripture and nothing else. I was being cheeky (and some may say rude)with what I posted before, but the question remains "whats the point"?

OK, I see.

I suppose posting scripture verbatim is kindof......
nonsensical and pointless. then again, among the specific group.....

I have learned that it is NOT those who oppose you that are your enemy....it is those who are sitting on the fence.

do you know who I just quoted?

:)

I assume MLK?

.

Joseph Smith was who I was thinking of at the time.

but he was not alone.

you might be right.

peace.

don't get me started

don't get me started on ol' Joe Smith!!

its in the Religion subforum

the whole reason this part of the site was constructed was so that if you don't like religion you can ignore it.

I don't think this post has any "point" for non Christians if you don't believe in God, it stands to reason that you don't believe he does anything, Right? :)

I am a Deist. I LIKE to discuss "religion"

I define "Religion" simply as a persons belief system..

I thank you for your response to my query. there does not seem to be a cohesive understanding about the exact relationship between the "old" and the "new" testament.

there seems to be an equal amount of derision over the "trinity" when I learned about the gun powder plot and what that had to do with King James..... and then about the Geneva or Shakespeare's Bible, it became clear to me why most people just tune it all out.

as a true American. I think it is rude to attack anothers faith.
people who do not or cannot define their "religion" tend to be the one's who get snarky about this subject.

I try not to be kind to them.

peace.

Cool,

Cool, I like talking too people that are polite and have different beliefs than mine, I have a couple of questions for you, since I have never talked too a self proclaimed Deist before.

Why are you a Deist, instead of a Christian or atheist or anything else?

from my understanding of Deism, you guys reject religious books, and do not believe in "miracles", if that is true, do you lump any Religious Experiences that Christians (including myself) claim to have had, in to the "miracle" category and believe that we are, either A, lying, or, B, crazy?

I have not read much about Deism lately, so I may be wrong about what you believe.

I am a Deist, because I am Human.

if there really is a god...why did my penis not come with instructions for use?
and if there is no god, why can we not figure out gravity?

Deism allows me to not know the truth and to talk about it. I seriously like to hear what others believe. it helps me to know and understand them better. does this make me a better christian? yes.

I have become adept at it. I can argue both sides of the coin effectively. our society is so dumb that all I can really do is get people to ask better questions.....
I lost my wife and children in 05, and yes I have been drinking tonight.......

So sorry about your

So sorry about your family.

"Deism allows me to not know the truth and to talk about it. I seriously like to hear what others believe. it helps me to know and understand them better. does this make me a better christian? yes."

so, you do consider yourself a Christian?

I retain my christian beliefs. yes.

but I have found very little cohesion among them.
all 3 of the Abramhamic faiths like to fight and argue a lot. they are very warlike....

would you agree or disagree?

when I say "Abrmahic" faiths.... what that means is all the ones based on ...well Abraham....

peace.

I don't think you're Lying OR Crazy

I think that our brains and our "subconscious self" are extremely powerful. Are you familiar with the "placebo effect"?

I don't dismiss that "miracles" happen and that amazing things occur each day (and moment) that we don't fully understand, but I don't think we can chalk it all up to the "god" we are taught about in ANY religious doctrine


The Placebo Effect - Knee Surgery by theobservereffect

so is this intended to

so is this intended to explain the time that I fell on my knees before God and asked for his mercy, and the next moment felt a Spiritual Peace wash over me and touch my LITERAL heart, and wash away all of my worries and fears, and fill me with more joy than I had ever felt before?, that experience was stronger, and more REAL than ANYTHING "physical" (cuts kisses bruises) I have ever felt.

uhhhh, did you watch the video?

cause i was seriously trying to share and have a conversation.

Yes He does, and yes He will!

Yes He does, and yes He will! The Lord of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge.

fully

persuaded

In Thee and Thee alone is my confidence

The "Selah"s

remind me of a scene from a great movie called East of Eden. Adam Trask (Raymond Massey) is making his son, Cal (James Dean), read from a chapter in the Bible. At the end of each verse, Cal says "Selah." Adam tells Cal to leave out the "Selah"s. Cal reads the next verse and pauses. He then makes eye contact with Adam and impudently says "Selah." Adam blows up and basically writes Cal off as hopeless. The story is loosely related to the Biblical story of the good and bad sons of Adam, Cain and Abel (in the movie, Cal and Aaron). Great film!

Joyeux Noel

I just watched the movie, Joyeux Noel, about the Christmas Truce in 1914 during World War I. It's a real tear-jerker. Praise the Lord that one day He will make wars to cease.

Edgar Morgan

MLK jr quoted this psalm. Be still and know that I'm God.

America, you are too arrogant.

If you dont change your ways I will break the backbone of your power.

(your money)

And I will give it to a nation that doesnt even know my name.

God is our refuge and strength,

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.