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New Studies: 'Conspiracy Theorists' SANE; Government Dupes CRAZY, HOSTILE

New Studies: 'Conspiracy Theorists' SANE; Government Dupes CRAZY, HOSTILE

Recent studies by psychologists and social scientists in the US and UK suggest that contrary to mainstream media stereotypes, those labeled “conspiracy theorists” appear to be saner than those who accept the official versions of contested events.

The most recent study was published on July 8th by psychologists Michael J. Wood and Karen M. Douglas of the University of Kent (UK). Entitled “What about Building 7? A social psychological study of online discussion of 9/11 conspiracy theories,” the study compared “conspiracist” (pro-conspiracy theory) and “conventionalist” (anti-conspiracy) comments at news websites.

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Alright dude, I got a question. First, I'm not a Thermo expert by any means. That makes two of us; however, I did have a theoretical thermodynamics class two years ago. So...

How does a pH-diagram help with understanding where the condenser starts to reject heat in the refrigeration cycle?

West Virginia Relative Humidity.

would have been a better answer to my query.
but since you answered a question WITH a question. (are you aware that is a tactic?)
a PH diagram does not help very much. it really just delineates the process.
the first thing you need to know is that it is laid out CCW, (counter clockwise)
heat is both rejected and absorbed along the two upper and lower lines.
it is Latent heat of vaporization that moves the heat.
so, to answer your question, condensation (heat rejection)begins at the discharge valve and occurs all along the condenser coil and should be completed by the time it reaches the outlet.
subcooling is how we measure it.
subcooling should not be measured under high load. the velocity is too high. (trust me)

when I first read your reply, I thought you were talking about
isentropic (adiabatic) efficiency, we can discuss that if you would like. but that was not your question.

I am sorry

but you can not conclude from this posted video that the entire front structure fell as:

1) a good portion of the right side of the front structure does not budge
2) the top left of the front structure is still standing at the end of the video when the smoke starts to clear
3) this video does not continue long enough for the smoke to clear completely to see what all really fell - it cuts off (which means you can't really conclude anything)

surely tho if steel buildings collapsing due to fire is possible, you should have more video of it somewhere right?


Do you think that, just because something can happen, that it must happen all the time? How often, in the history of the world, have Boeing 767's flown into two of the tallest structures in the world? How often have those structures fallen right next to other buildings? How often do the fire safety mechanisms fail during fires? The questions go on and on. There's lots of unique events happening. If it wasn't unique, nobody would care.

Point is, this fire is not the first to cause a steel structure to collapse. It may be the first to cause an entire structure to collapse.

wow look at your rationalization go

You are proving the article in the op true as you just see what you want to see to reach your aimed conclusion. Ironic how you said I was the one with lying eyes..

You really believe that....

And that's what sad. All logic in the world couldn't bust down the wall you've created. Your into deep with this thing. Snap out of your delusion!!! Peace





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Nothing strange at all to see with WTC7?

Asymmetric damage and asymmetric fires = symmetric collapse. First time in history, also. According to you, this first time collapse in history, which takes NIST over seven years to fabricate, is nothing strange at all and is no big deal. Really?

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And the collapse WAS asymmetric.

Anyone who studies the collapse thoroughly as well as the debris knows this.

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Precursor movement doesn't count.

Precursor movement considering 'average acceleration' is a meaningless quantity and is bad science.


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confuse him with physics and stuff Steve.

R.I.P. Danny Jowenko


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Physics and "stuff" LOL

As if hard facts is just stuff to be ignored. Your posts on this topic more and more resemble tactics found here: http://www.dailypaul.com/292213/guide-to-forum-spies#comment...

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Run along

you are wrong.

Oh no you di'int

Did you just try to point the forum spy finger at Jefferson?

You? The same person who, in reply to a video regarding explosions in wtc 7, posted a list of possible explanations that included things like "auto tires and batteries"?

Jefferson posts an opinion from one of the world's leading building demo experts and ol' "hard facts" fireant responds with insinuations of Jefferson being a forum spy. Good grief.

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That expert was shown only one view of the building, and was not

told about the fires or the damage. From the one north view, it does look like it could be CD. Too bad he is deceased. Were he still alive and knew all the facts, I'm sure his opinion would be different. There is no credibility to be gained by using his response as some sort of authority. That's why I ignored it.

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Apparently you didn't even bother watching the ~2 minute video

Jowenko and the interviewer specifically discuss the fires in the clip. Here is a tip, if you are going to ignore something, don't go on to make false claims about it, doing so only serves to impeach your credibility.

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It's been a long time since I watched that clip, so

if I was wrong about the fires being discussed, I was wrong, and thanks for pointing it out.
Did they tell him about the damage to the building or the extent of the fires? Did they tell him FDNY had observed the building leaning and bulging earlier in the day, and declared it in danger of collapsing?

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Mis-characterization is also a sign of disinfo, not truth.

I just point out facts. It's up to you to deal with them as you see fit.
I never said any explosions IN 7 could be attributed to vehicles. I said there were in fact many reports of explosions all morning long, and one EMT who escaped after South Tower collapse even reported it was like a mine field running between fire trucks and autos exploding. Fact. Twisting what I say is NOT a sign of a truth seeker. Fact.

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Explosions, so what??

There are diesel generators, electrical transformers, falling buildings, huge fires and on and on. Who knows what that EMT heard, you can't just decide that it must be demolitions just because it would fit your story. Give me a break.

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Viewing from one angle to determine symmetrical is disingenuous.

It is only after studying from all available angles that an asymmetrical collapse is revealed. Additionally, Chandler errs by not accounting for the fact his measuring point is falling away from the camera as well as down.
I'm not disputing the fact the outer shell collapsed for a few seconds at a speed close to freefall. I am disputing any assumption that there is only one possible explanation for it.

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From what angle did the collapse appear asymetrical?

Care to share a video showing an asymmetrical collapse? The video below contains clips from multiple different angles all clearly showing the building suddenly falling pretty much straight down.

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This illustration shows the west corner beginning it's lean to

the south early in collapse:

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This illustration shows the shift prior to descent.

You can see the right panel is at the moment of descent beginning, and the shift has already begun.

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Photo for above post:

7 Shiftannotated

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Your pictures are not public

I can't see what you are talking about. I tried to copy the url of the image you are trying to embed and it says I have to be a member of this blog to see them. Try saving the pictures to your computer and posting them to a free image hosting service if you want me and others to be able to actually see what you are referring to.

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Egg all over my face if that's the case. Funny that no else has ever brought that to my attention.
Edit: logged out of my blog, which I was using for photo transfer only, and see what you are saying. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I will attempt to correct as you suggested.

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I still cannot see them

I can't speak for anyone else but I for one cannot see the images you posted.

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Thanks again GCN3030

Amazing that no one else ever told me. I'm working on it as we speak and should have view-able photos soon.

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You have to look at all angles and compare.

There is not one angle which tells the complete story. If we had a direct southern view and a direct east view it would be clearer, but here for starters. The perimeter wall collapse began as a shift to the east, illustrated in this screen grab:
In actuality, it was more of a twist than a shift. The left (east) part of the building is actually folding towards the camera. It began this move PRIOR to descent, which rules out having it's underpinnings suddenly cut out from underneath it. Lower support was folding.
The west, or right part of the building was falling away from the camera, evidenced by my avatar.
The perimeter walls could not have folded vertically in this manner had they been intact. This movement is in accord with the top to bottom gash on the south face.
Additionally, debris fell across Barclay Street to the north, creating so much damage to Fiterman Hall, it had to be torn down. The west portion of 7 fell to the south, across the street and into 6WTC, again, evidenced by my avatar.

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