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Are we capable of winning in 2016? What are we waiting for?

The stage has been tilted, veto authority can be given to Rubio if the RNC presumes him the Republican candidate.

At what point is our suffrage lost to process when substance can be so easily ignored.

Do we wait until every county of every state has 1000 people chanting Rand Paul like we did for his father?

Do we wait until we can't get into the RNC because the national media accepted defeat for us?

What are we waiting for when we know the process is leveraged against us, the tyrants can use their tools in 2016 and we will have our tools stripped away.


Do NOT just get involved!

Make your own damn ways and means and have people get involved with you!

Forget the tools we have, time is still ripe for us to find more!



p.s. Ben Swann is trying to tell us we need to be more local to create the language gears that move the parties by influencing local norms and attitudes about law.

If any group has the ability to craft normative language that leads to positive changes it is us.

We don't always have to be transparent with our agenda this is what freedom is all about; injecting our concepts into party scripts with catchy phrases and stories.

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Yes if...

Yes, if we had an honest election and an honest vote count. You can campaign all you want with the best candidate but if the process and the vote count is corrupt, the most corrupt candidate will win. Wasn't this what happened in the last election and you see how it turned out? You can't win a game that is rigged. You have to have an even playing field or you are wasting your time.


How about we try to win in 2013?

and 2014, there are lots of local liberty candidates for those of us who care about electoral politics, the rest of us can go on fighting with each other about Rand and Israel :)

Ron Paul on his son Rand Paul:
"he does a lot of things similarly, but I think he does everything better. Than I have done over the years,"

Just as long as 51% eligible voters do not vote.

Can't have majority rule without the majority.

Democracy thwarted, rule of law reigns.

Free includes debt-free!

This is a language war leveraged against us by many interests

if we want a national platform we have to engineer our own language from at least as many interests, and they all shouldn't be as transparent as posting on the internet... some should sway the minds of local class structures crucial to our interests; it's all about how we craft our words.

if you want to steal progressive politicians linguistically,
then your group should inject a cultural norm among local progressive
groups to use your own crafted language in a catchy saying.

Remember politicians are vessels for language engineers, if you encrypt a libertarian concept into a catchy saying you can influence local politic without setting off party alarms

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.



Author of Shades of Thomas Paine, a common sense blog with a Libertarian slant.


Also author of Stick it to the Man!


Michael Nystrom's picture

Who is "we"?

What does 'winning" mean?

ecorob's picture

Superb questions!

Granger thinks she knows the answer but has very little visible means of support in the REAL liberty moverment, the movent that trusts NO ONE in the republicants or the democrips, the movement that is sweeping this country.

Her "we" is her and that mouse in her pocket.

Our "we" are the people that support Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning, and Cynthia Sheehan.

Our "we" will dominate the future. We can NOT be stopped and they are a damn far site away from controlling us, too.

The mass synergy we create daily here, and on other sites, propels us all to a future of truth and reason.

You can not stop an idea whose time has come. Long live Ron Paul!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

You're out of your mind

You named a bunch of liberals. LOL You may think the GOP rEVOLution is a mouse in my pocket but it sure beats the cockroaches and rats you got on your fake cake.

We = We the People & Winning = Rand Paul POTUS 2016

We, the DP, can produce news, but can we produce a constitution?

can WE produce articles of which become so popular the RNC would be rejected not to accept it?

can we produce organizational meetups so dynamic the media could not distort its soundness?

If so, then we should start now.

I am working on meet ups in my area, already had two and we are progressing towards new actions besides rallies or videos, but rather looking to inject our language in local politic

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

ecorob's picture

I thought we already did that.

So, you are saying, let's do it again?

This time it will work?

No. It won't work.

What will work? Exposure of corruptness. Snowden. Manning. Sheehan. Me. You. Michael. Pat Tillman. 100 million voices crying FRAUD!

That could work.

Working within a corrupt system to change it? No.

To quote the signature of a pretty influential person here at this site,

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Krishnamurti. .

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

So Ron and Rand must have been a fluke, the system somehow

let them play the game? How else can we explain the constant attention we received on the national stage?


Liberty Language tricked certain interests who serve tyranny into accepting Liberty concepts without using liberty words.

This country had copperheads and rattlers before eagles and skulls, there exists a road to 2016 if we can plant the right seeds of language in our local politic.

Setting brush fires in the minds of free men and women is not as easy as exposing them to corruption, it requires normative language they can identify with that is currently being developed to subdue them in times of learned helplessness.

That is why we need to divest ourselves into more dynamic local meet ups who can seek out new ways and means of subverting tyrannical language; no matter how subtle or bold

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

ecorob's picture

Ron Paul is the real deal.

Rand rode into the senate on his father's coat tails and is an afterthought that I am slowly warming to. The jury is still out.

Ron Paul started a revolution that can not be won at the ballot box no matter how much I wish it were not true.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Ron Paul is not running for office

How real is that? HRon Paul is NOT running for office ecorob. It's done.

Rand is changing the tune of the GOP.. while Ron ate lunch by himself for decades totally ignored, Rand is on the GOP map for his own actions, fillibuster, resolutions, hemp, gun rights.

Ron Paul did start a rEVOLution.. I joined, that's how I becmae a Republican.. and if you did not become a Republican you didn't get the message.

It is going to be won by those who got in the GOP, fought, stood our ground, took seats, and continue to flood the floor and are working to take the penthouse.

Pribus and the silencer better get ready because the RNC is going to be ours 2016.

We to me

We to me are those brave rEVOLutionaries who had the courage to join the GOP, take GOP seats, kick the neocons off, go to conventions where they dominate the floor, rent the suites where they dominate the halls, get speakers, create petitions, write resolutions, inniatives, re-write by-laws, get flyers out, hold classes on Roberts Rules of Order, work together county by county, state by state, entering the rings of GOP power to debate and challenge Rove and the like, face to face.


What is the rest doing? NOT winning that's for sure.

We can work both sides of the isle, currently I am injecting

libertarian language into the progressive left in my local area and it is taking its effect (I wont say on who), but libertarian meetups in general should be far more vast and carry different ways and means to usurp power from the GOP's procedural scapegoat in 2016.

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

No, we can't

I'm not here to sing Kumbaya with you. I like you permaculture.. enjoy your posts.. but this is a political war and I'm not going to try to fool you or say that I am going to work with you. I'm not.

Now I know that some will.. I have two guys on my committee, former Libertarians.. they will..

You want to come to GOP conventions and stand in the streets waving signs with progressives.. what good are you going to do me? Give my enemies in the GOP talking points?

"Oh that's only Granger who is speaking for the guys holding signs".

I don't need that. Those of us on the inside don't need that.. it hurt Ron Paul.. that kind of stuff works for Obama.. not GOP.

Just recently.. this arrest of Kokesh.. what gets me about it, is I bet Rand Paul had NO clue what had happened before the papparatzi was calling HIM up and asking HIM.. well what do you think about Kokesh's arrest?

Rand's response to the medical marijuana was way way out of line for him.. and then I read these blogs and news from TEA PARTY.. they are all over the page Rand and Kokesh.. it was an inside job to HURT RAND.. and NSA didn't have anything to do with it.

The GOP KNOWS Rand has won people's hearts and minds.. Did you see that article about Perry going to Israel? He sounds like Ron Paul. The GOP are now pushing Ted Cruz (the hispanic hopeful).. what's cruz's positions on drugs? NOTHING.

I'm not knocking your CHOICE to be marginalized, but I'm not going to be marginalized because YOU CHOOSE to not join us in the GOP.

I was a lifeguard for decades.. as a lifeguard I learned that most drownings are double, because the person who attemted to save the drowning person winds up being drowned by the person they are trying to save. The LP is not going to save the GOP, it's going to drown it as it did to Ron Paul with GJ.

We are winning

We've got the seats and now it's time to get off the GOP floor and into the suites.


ecorob's picture


You so funny.

Let us know how that works out for you.

btw, you never bragged much about your hoopla meeting with karl marx rove...why not?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

It's working out FANTASTIC for me

My committee is a LIBERTY committee, the counties next to mine are Liberty counties.. the GOP is talking more like Ron Paul everyday.

As far as my meeting Rove.. I'm glad I did. Now I'm working to get more people in the circle with me.. I want to see at least one Liberty Republican from every county in the upper circle next convention.. we'll have the floor and the penthouse, and the GOP will be OURS. That is what winning is.

What you got? Time to wait for a Republican to run as a Libertarian for marijuana in the name of liberty?

ecorob's picture

Why did you throw the marijuana name in there, granger?

Some slight to farmers who could make a living growing hemp?

Maybe a slight to the MILLIONS of cancer patients who could benefit from hemp oil in their fight to stay alive against all "big pharmaceutical" odds?

You never cease to amaze me in your total disregard of the wishes of the American people and of your masking of TRUE liberty.

You are right where you should be, where you belong, sucking karl rove's phrases and crapping out his wishes to all of the other fools in your group.

What I've got, granger, is your number.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Because it's ALL you actually give a damn about

Cannabis can be for medicine for TERMINALLY ILL. HEMP is for, feed, fiber and fuel. I've been a hemp activist since 1993, and while I admit at one time I did help the medical marijauan crowd.. I frankly don't care too much for them, I find them to be liars and criminals for the most part. There are exceptions,. but for the most part, they're paranoid collectivist cowards and losers.

I am a cancer survivor and I didn't need cannabis.

You have cancer? You have a terminal illness? You being paid to speak for cancer patients or is that a cover for your recreational use?

I bet it never ceases to amaze a collectivst like you that I stand for what I believe on my own two feet rather than stoop to some collectivst pot head to speak for me. Don't need you to speak for me, and neither do cancer patients.

You don't have the guts to face Karl. Go smoke some more pot and get well soon.

ecorob's picture


Must have hit a nerve there, gwanger.

Please, do go on.

Everyone, please stop. The all wise and powerful gwanger is speaking. All-seeing, all-knowing, all everything, I guess, now has the floor and anyone that disagrees is a pot head.

Your down votes never cease to amaze me. They give me pause to reflect on just how smart people here REALLY are.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

It's not her fault Rover hypnotized her.

She wants success and Rover promised to help. Woof woof.

Free includes debt-free!

she met with Rove? why?

she met with Rove? why?


Because Rove was the featured speaker at the CA GOP convention, and I took that opportunity to introduce myself and tell Rove that the people are catching on to his shenanigans in the GOP and we're not going to let him win with the likes of Rubio, who he had just given nearly $30 million.

Rove wanted to know who I wanted. So I told him, "RAND PAUL", and he told me that he had given Rand $2.9 million, and I told him, "That's not enough Karl. Rand is who the people on the floor want, who the people of CA want."

This meeting happened before Rand's fillibuster BTW.

No reason we should all be on the floor.. we absolutly need to get into the penthouses and facing Rove and the like.

Furthermore.. the first night at the banquet, the speaker was some corporation that TRACKED money transations, locally to globally. So I stood up, asked to see the money transactions in my county.. the speaker put my county up on the BIG screen. There was hardly any activity being a very rural area, they were focusing on cities.. so then I asked, "Where's the Medical Marijuana line of transaction since that's our economy?"

Half the room came to it's feet. Some people shreiked.. OMG! The room went crazy.. people were screaming.. several people next to me were grabbing at me, they couldn't believe I had said what I said.. MY COUNTY TOO!!! MY COUNTY TOO!!!! That's what's happening to my county!" For two hours I was meeting people coming to my table to talk.. every suite I went to people introduced themselves.. laughed, gave me a thimbs up..

It was cool.

ecorob's picture

Great job!

All of this and 4 elections later and what do you have to show for it?

Diane Feinshtein and Barbara Boxer.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Four elections ago

I was where you are now.. NO WHERE.

Nov 2012 was my first election as a Republican.. that's less than a year ago.

My meeting with Karl was 4 months ago.

I have a LIBERTY committee now and that's something to show for.

I have never voted for Feinstein.. I did vote for Boxer in 1996, her first election, and she did help me.. I adopted a camp ground in Los Padres National Forest, had 137 kind folks come to help me plant over 3000 willows and reclaim an aquafir roaming cattle had destroyed.. during the camp.. LAO had come surrounded the camp, even had a black heliocopter.. from 7PM to 2 AM they searched us for drugs.. then they set up check points and issued tickets for no seat belts, people in the back of pickups.. it was harrassment.. I wrote to Boxer and she remembered me (we had had lunch.. I was not a Democrat, but I had done quite a bit of environmental work and was pretty well known for my efforts magazine, newspapers, even a book with a chapter NRDC).. anyways.. Boxer not only issued me an apology, the supevisor was fired and I got an apology from him.. and I got my camp site.. and all fines were dropped.

Being Indy.. I only voted Indy or Libertarian.. those days are DONE. I'm GOP.. I'm going to continue to work to change this party and get REPUBLICAN Ron Paul's message materialized. Gawd KNOWS CA needs it more than most states.

You wanna bash me.. you go for it, but I will not back down.. I can be nice, and I prefer to be nice. I don't like hurting people, but then I'm not your punching bag.. you don't respect me, fine.. but don't stalk me and attack me because youre bored.

ecorob's picture

Four elections ago...

I had already voted in 5 potus elections and was alive and lived through the assassinations of my heroes, the kennedy brothers and mlk.

You have a lot to learn about history. And, for the record, I am not bashing you, personally, granger, just your naieve and misguided ways.

You are wasting your energy backing the likes of rove and begging for his money. Destroy him. Then, you will have my support.

Bored? Hardly. I'm just getting wound up.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

ecorob's picture

Because she believed in him (Still believes).

Just ask her.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.


truth is not you.