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Occupy and the liberty movement: two sides to one coin

It's worth noting that while Obama paid lip service the '99%' rhetoric, he of course never even acknowledged the Occupy movement.. and on top of that, it's now known that DHS, FBI and local police forces all cooperated with banks to target activists, going so far as to matter-of-factly discuss assassinating protestors with rooftop sniper fire. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130102/09481421547/fbi-wo...

Hell, tea party protests started as anti-war efforts in 2007. Once the movement became anchored to Ron Paul, the media colluded (I'm not even exaggerating) to defame him as a racist, fundamentalist loon. Fox, MSNBC CNN alike were complicit in this; Fox only had to convince its audience that he's a lib, and though MSNBC ironically gave his campaign the kindest treatment of any of them, it was all bound within the narrative of election year GOP infighting. Now that he's no longer a threat to the GOP establishment, MSNBC reckons him... a racist loon.

All western media cooperated to trash the liberty movement as racists, occupy as conspiracy theories, and Ron Paul as a loon.

Now that the election's over, military contractor-owned MSNBC is trashing Ron and his kid as racists, a tactic that is employed by once-legitimate Southern Poverty Law Center, which is now little more than an Obama admin mouthpiece, going as far as to trash my main man Judge Napolitano.

Occupy and the Tea Party were two sides of the same populist coin: a threat that existing institutions needed to quell.

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After reading this, I was intrigued to check out some Occupy groups and pages on FB. We are on the same page right now on so many issues... Snowden, Defunding Egypt, The federal reserve... Now is the time to unite and conquer. Reach out. United we stand, divided we fall.

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. - Matthew 10:16

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I'm still bumping your post if only for the sake of traction.

Maybe I didn't keep myself updated enough and more OWS folks have eventually come to a better understanding of the situation.

It's just I'm curious to see, read, and hear from those, besides the OP.

I'll return to what's available online and try to catch up with it [ http://occupywallst.org/ ] some time later, in the hope I'll be pleasantly surprised.


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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Great post

Libertarians should work with good socialists to free us from unnecessary government intervention.

I can live with a little socialism but I can't stand a lot. We need to talk to these people.

Great post by the way.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

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"Give Me A Break"

I'd have probably given more ears and credit to the so-called "Occupy XYZ" movements if I had heard - AT LEAST - A THOUSAND TIMES AS MANY folks among them ACTUALLY capable to think AND to speak along lines alike his :


(Thank you, Chris)

Too bad. I'm still waiting...

All I heard so far from those was, AND STILL IS, VERY different than this young man's outstanding understanding of the state of affairs - BY A LONG SHOT - and can vastly be resumed into:

"State, you gotta gimme more free stuff, 'coz I'm the 99% !"

Tsk tsk tsk tsk tsk.

C'mon. Not to me, thanks - GIVE ME A BREAK:



Thank you very much.

And you're welcome.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

The big pictures / video troll gimmick is tired and old

Now go fetch more sock puppets, the ones you picked are boring.

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Chris Savvinidis improvised speech "boring"?

Chris Savvinidis improvised speech "boring"?

Woa. And I thought I was picky... Okay, then. Whatever you say.

You win.


"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I was of the understanding that the

communist party was behind Occupy.
On that basis, I wouldn't put them anywhere near the libertarians.

No, that was the MSM propaganda

And you bought it! Good job.

Canadian Socialists started

Canadian Socialists started their misbegotten movement for miscreants.

No, they didn't.

And the fact that you have to use the socialism bogeyman to decry it says much about you. You should've just logged into your Granger account to post this garbage. Man, you're bad at this--is your boss paying you minimum wage? I guess I wouldn't really care about doing a good job, either..

From Wikipedia

In mid-2011, the Canadian-based group Adbusters Media Foundation, best known for its advertisement-free anti-consumerist magazine Adbusters, proposed a peaceful occupation of Wall Street to protest corporate influence on democracy, address a growing disparity in wealth, and the absence of legal repercussions behind the recent global financial crisis.[39] Adbusters co-founder Kalle Lasn registered the OccupyWallStreet.org web address on 9 June.[40] According to the senior editor of the magazine, "[they] basically floated the idea in mid-July into our [email list] and it was spontaneously taken up by all the people of the world, it just kind of snowballed from there."


AdBusters is an anarcho-socialist anti-capitalism magazine. So blow, Gabriel.

This post is insulting to my fellow ron paul teapartiers.

The real difference between us is that we are far more well researched, and specific in our anger. For example the intellectually lazy occupy movement said all banks in general were the cause of our problems. Meanwhile, we specifically targeted the Federal reserve bank which was the true cause of our problems.
Occupy was mostly liberals, who in their bias, refused to acknowledge Obamas' fault in this situation. While teapartiers were not so blinded.
I agree that both groups were angry, occupy ignorantly blamed capitalism while teapartiers were smart enough to see that we haven't been a truly capitalist country for a LONG time.

Your "moral outrage" isn't believable, so don't bother

You're greatly oversimplifying the issue of financial sector corruption and malfeasance by simply blaming the fed. For example, Bank of America's actions, illegally forclosing on people who were even capable of paying mortages going (and illegally forging signatures to do so), has NOTHING to do with the fed. Banks making risky bets with their clients' money? Independent of the fed. Hedge funds, derivatives? We need to hold those banks accountable--it doesn't stop at the fed.

BTW, 1/3 of the original OWS protesters surveyed were Paul supporters. Many were entirely fed up with Obama. You're missing the whole picture if you don't see the overlap between these two movements--that you think the anger was directionless shows you were listening to the MSM's prepacked angle on the protests. You seriously just think the point was to "hate on capitalism"? Occupy didn't blame simply "blame capitalism", it pointed the finger at our current corporo-fascist system which is capitalism in name ONLY.

BTW, "you guys" targeted the fed--and how's that going for you, exactly? Six years later, the fed hasn't gone anywhere.

Occupy was started as, and

Occupy was started as, and essentially remains a Socialist movement. There is no possible connection or way forward between Occupy and the freedom/liberty/Ron Paul Republican set.

The earliest tea party protesters in 2007 were simply anti-war.

"No connection to the freedom movement"? Please. There is much overlap in principle and ethics between either variety of activist. Watch less TV!

Also, "miscreants"? Sounds like you bought the cable news media narrative about violent protesters--of course, there was no such coverage when local police were caught red-handed in disguise, disrupting a peaceful protest.

There's a reason Obama never acknowledged OWS aside from giving lip service to the 99% rhetoric.

You're absolutely right,

You're absolutely right, they're populist movements from different sides of the aisle and we need to join forces against the neocons and elitists who control both parties.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

It could be

Occupy and Liberty Movements are not to be confused with the rEVOLution.

The rEVOLution is in the GOP, Occupy and LM are on the street.

The GOP is done

Any attempt to reform it is ia waste of time. Thanks for the downvote, troll.

Your ass

Go smoke another bowl loser


If there was any doubt you're just a troll, well..

Well what?

freedom is popular.