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Ron vs. Rand stats on Facebook

I found it interesting on Facebook (as of July 14th, 2013):
Ron's Official FB page stats:
Likes: 1,134,059
People Talking About: 58,935
Most Popular City: Houston, TX
Most Popular Age Group: 25-34

Rand's Official FB Page stats:
Likes: 1,067,865
People Talking About: 171,400
Most Popular City: Houston, TX
Most Popular Age Group: 55+

Since they are at about the same number of likes, the thing I find most interesting is the most popular age group. Rand obviously has a strategy to reach a broader appeal than his father, while maintaining a base view of libertarianism (approaching it in a more politician way than his father). Is it working? Other thoughts?

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Rand is obviously

being taken seriously because his supporters show up to meetings, have no fear facing the old GOP and replacing them with LIBERTY GOP.

Remember last primary season when we all wanted

all the old people to just whither away and not exist anymore? We were so mad.

No

I remember the last primary when we all wished the young people would join the GOP and help us fight to get Ron Paul the GOP nomination, but unfortunately too many rather unite behind another republican who put on a LP pin for a few months enabling the youth to leave the rEVOLution and create a LM where they could smoke pot and act cool instead.

Students for Liberty and Young Americans for Liberty are

growing in the colleges not only in the US but around the world as well.

A Ron Paul supporter founded Students for Liberty in 2008 with just twelve college students. Now there are over 930 colleges involved, there have been a growing number of regional conventions all over and the numbers keep growing.

These people are self starters who are strongly motivated to grow the movement using their own ingenuity. They are reading books in economics, Austrian free market type and can make the moral case for Capitalism. they have allied with the Atlas Society so you can be sure they will read Ayn Rand in addition to Ron Paul, Murray Rothbard, von Mises, Bastiat, Judge Andrew P. Napolitano, Tom Woods etc.

This movement has the promise of growing exponentially in the near future and could affect elections and the dialog in public.

I am sure they will produce their own individuals who will run for office. They will make the electorate aware of issues not dealt with by the establishment too.

the future just got brighter.

www.studentsforliberty.org
www.YALiberty.org

"Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals- that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the

30 y/o here...

And no, Rand doesn't do it for me. The political route isn't going to save us. We will have to save ourselves after SHTF. The age old cycle of rising and falling societies will take it's course once again before people are willing to try something fresh; it is a prerequisite for people caring. It is unfortunate, but half-assing won't work. Expecting Rand to change the course of our history is like trying to hold back a tidal wave with a cardboard box. Ron had it right. The only hope is to change hearts and minds with ideas... this was the only ace up our sleeve. Rand's "political" method is like trying to beat the "House" in Las Vegas.

56 and more inclined toward

56 and more inclined toward Ron.

It takes a while for older people who are set in their ways to completely change their way of thinking. I understand Rand's strategy of changing the GOP from the inside while Ron keeps working on the people, and to be honest Ron would have had a difficult time filibustering because of his age.

I understand what you are saying

and I tend to agree with you. My question, however, is why would you not support Rand in 2016? Assuming that you are right, that the US must fall for people to wake up, wouldn't it be preferable to have someone like Rand in office rather than Hillary/McCain et al types when it happens?
I don't think that we are the only ones aware of the fact that 'this cannot go on.' I am much more inclined to believe that there are others not only anticipating a collapse, but counting on it and they are NOT sympathetic to libertarian ideas. <--Understatement of the year.
In my mind, we would be in a much better position when the SHTF to have someone like Rand in office to help put the pieces back together with liberty being the #1 priority. In times of duress, sadly, people will still look to the Government (or whatever remains of it.)

"When I say liberty I do not simply mean what is referred to as 'free enterprise.' I mean liberty of the individual to think his own thoughts and live his own life as he desires to think and to live..." - Robert A. Taft

Ron Paul is the idealist and Rand Paul is the realist.

What Rand is doing is working. He is gaining broad appeal, something Ron Paul could never do because of media bias.
Yea, some of you dont trust him, but like it or not, Rand Paul is practically the only realistic chance to change things now(in a major and sudden way). Ron Paul tried for 30 some years to change things and was only able to just get things off to a start, probably just in the nick of time too if we are lucky. Because of that start, Rand Paul now has a very good chance at succeeding where his father just couldnt quite make it. We shouldnt squander that chance by saying he isnt good enough.

Yes, I would love to have had Ron Paul as president, but that didnt happen. Gary Johnson is nice, but he just doesnt have the name exposure. This makes Rand Paul the best choice. Whether you accept that or not doesnt make it any less true. Will this change? Maybe, but unless you can find someone and give him MSM coverage like Rand is getting, its unlikely.
If it somehow turns out that Rand Paul, for whatever reason, is opposite of Libertarian, than he isnt going to be any worse than anyone else who will likely take his place. No, I am not argueing for the lesser of two evils here. This would be like comparing Hitler, the Devil, and Rand Paul; one of them just isnt evil compared to the others.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Ron is the Realist...

He never expected to win by "playing the game." That's where HE went RIGHT, and Rand is going WRONG. To suggest that those who think that playing politics will win in the long run are "realists" is dubious at best. :)

I know Rand isn't his father,

I know Rand isn't his father, and I now there was a big idea last year about voting for the lesser of 2 evils. Honestly though I do think Rand is more like his father than some of you give him credit for. He would make for one of the best presidents we have seen in a while. Lets just hope the bankers can't spoil him.

Rand is MSM savvy, 55+ are MSM junkies

Many 55+ were in my Republican caucus. None of them could specify anything they didn't like about Ron, yet none supported him.

I think the age discrepancy in FB stats is mostly due to Rand's relationship with and appearances on Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. Pure and simple. Older Republicans are glued to these two media icons. The younger set is attracted through other channels.

Rand not ideal, but a good man nonetheless

My point was rand is neither ideal nor evil, kindof like Gail I suppose. Ron Paul was ideal, he was Howard Roark, understanding and keeping to the structure of his truth, he was Hank Reardon fusing together a coalition which could not have developed were it not for him, he was Fransico d'Anconia seeking to dismantle the wealth f power in the 'government' he was a member of, he was John Galt never betraying his own principles. Ron Paul is a nearly fictional character in how ideal he was to serve as president, a hero.
What likely turns ppl off about Rand who like his father is Rand's political career is not as heroic, no Rand is not perfect, he is a regular man. But i see him as a very moral person and that is the standard for me. He promised to endorse the gop candidate prior to being elected, by doing so he has gained influence and doners that he likely could not have gotten had he gone back on his promise and pissed off the gop. If he didnt endorse the nominee do you think his filabister would have been supported by his fellow republicans? I doubt it they would have ended it with a majority vote before it began.
I think partisan politics is stupid but i cant blame rand for allowing the media to paint the picture that he is playing into partisanship, by doing so he has furthered his father's message to the even more mainstream and not even in an election cycle. I applaud his work and reserve the right to change my opinion of him if he turns put to be anti liberty, he has yet to do that though.

like Gail I suppose

Interesting comment. I'm guessing though, that you may have actually intended it as reply not for me, but for "EdMoran" or "Ed Ucation". I've misplaced replies too. I'm still mystified when it happens. This comment is just a heads up, that you may wish to copy and paste a new one toward Ed. Hate for him to miss all those fine words you wrote. :)

Rand has been steadily growing

Rand's like counts have been growing steadily, much faster than his potential rivals, and faster than his father's like counts ever did.

Rand FB like counts:
http://www.dailypaul.com/284655/rand-paul-facebook-like-coun...


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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I bet some of it has to do

I bet some of it has to do with where people get their news/info. Older people tend to find their news through traditional means, TV, Radio, Newspapers, and there is a clear bias against RP through those area's. If you are liberty leaning, but the people you trust for info tell you over and over that RP is a kook you might believe it. If there was an alternative opinion, if people were allowed to hear RP directly or someone was there to explain that, for example, rons not a racist he just believes in individual rights, most would agree but they are deprived of that explanation. Rand on the other hand gets more favorable opinions expressed through the traditional channels

Younger people tend to get their news through the internet and the internet does provide the alternative explanation. I bet if there was a stat of where they get their news Ron fans lean more heavily toward the internet than Rand fans.

So what the F**K are you doing on Facebook?

Next your going to tell me skype is secure?

The whole deal NSA is a money deal if you keep supporting them they have the juice to make laws to keep the 4th amendment down!
And while the private contractor are cleaning you bank accounts, so is Facebook, Microsoft and Google

Or what the heck is Rand or Ron doing there?

at a minimum use https://www.torproject.org/ and https://jitsi.org

Just a thought

Old Value... Back in the days when being a peeping tom was against the law.

Now we know using Google,Microsoft,Facebook is kind of like being a flasher. LOL

Just want what seems to be missing, Truth and Justice for ALL
What is fraud except creating “value” from nothing and passing it off as something?

Facebook is the governments best

sting operation ever.
It kills me when someone on FB staunchly defends their privacy on the stupid site!
They use their real names,
tell everyone where they are,
what they do for hobbies,
some dopes put up pics of their gun collection!
I don't have a FB account and I can find these things!
Imagine what the Feds can deduce from your FB account.

No.7's picture

If it's electronic, it's not secure

Facebook can be a valuable tool to the cause of liberty.

How about you find all your old friends/acquaintances and start sharing the message across the land. Ron Paul did ask all of us to spread the message right?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Despite the anti-FB sentiments

Despite the anti-FB sentiments typical of Paul supporters, Rand is doing very, very well. Much better than the others.


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

Minarchism
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Thank you Ron for Rand :-)

https://relate4ever.wordpress.com/2012/05/24/ronpaul-family/

Positive support for Ron Paul ideas! Support from the Restoration and Liberty Movement on http://cristianpaduraru.com

AS a 22 year old activists

AS a 22 year old activists that works on elections. No it is not working for my age group. I still have not decided who to campaign for Rand or Gary

Why not both?

Rand doesn't have the nomination yet.

If he gets it, I wouldn't be surprised if Gary endorses him and bows out.

same here, i'm 19 and i'm

same here, i'm 19 and i'm definitely not sold on Rand

Grouping People is Collectivist

It was often correctly stated during the Ron Paul Revolution that we shouldn't think of ourselves as part of a group because that is collectivist thinking. Individualism was emphasized. I dislike the tendency to group people into age brackets. I'm over 55 and I supported Ron as zealously as anyone else did. I don't trust Rand, at least not so far. Let's stop the stereotyping and herd mentality altogether.

Edgar Morgan

Rand can be trusted.

He is no Hank Reardon but he isn't Ellsworth Toohey either. Rand is not his father, he's his own person. The ideals he shares with his father, though outnumber those they dont in terms of political philosophy. While Ron was consistent, Rand is effective. A Ron Paul is a once in a lifetime candidate, who could have won. Rand is a little less perfect yet a lot more practical and he can win.

interesting, comparing Rand to characters from Ayn Rand

I guess he would be more of a Gail Wynand

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

On the other hand,

On the other hand, demographics are what they are. It is very interesting that Rand would attract an older audience. I don't like Facebook (at ALL), but this is illuminating.

Ron Paul

is associated with drug legalization. That's why the older crowd does not like him. Don't forget the heroin controversy at the South Carolina debate. Ron Paul lost the 55+ crowd after that (IMO).

I see their reaction as pure knee-jerk ignorance.

That's OK...I like supporting someone that the mainstream population does not like. Tells me the person speaks honest truth (that's sometimes hard to accept).

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

I have't trusted Rand since

I have't trusted Rand since he betrayed his dad. I just see him as another republican whore that would sell out in order to climb the GOP ladder. In fact, I think the main purpose the GOP allowed him in was to con Constitutionalists, freedom lovers, and libertarians into the GOP.

I'm 55

Funny how some drink the kool-aid. I have always been a Ron Paul supporter and really don't trust rand.

When freedom is at stake, silence is not golden – it is yellow- Tom Anderson writer patriot. 1910-2001

"Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin