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Am I the only one on DP that thinks Zimmerman was guilty?

You know I think back to when this whole Trevon Martin shooting broke. People were outraged that Zimmerman was not charged. I mean whites and blacks alike.

Then something changed. Somehow this became a race issue.

Who was really standing their ground that night. Zimmerman who had a gun, or Trevon Martin.

A seventeen year old is dead. What did he do? How did Zimmerman end up in a physical fight with Trevon Martin? Martin wasn't looking for trouble, he hadn't robbed anyone. This kid who was walking along eating skittles blapping on his cell phone just decided he was going to beat Zimmerman to death.

No one will ever convince me that Trevon Martin instigated a fight that night. Zimmerman was a tough guy with a gun, and an vigilante mind set.

Zimmerman was looking for trouble that night and he found it, he just didn't expect that Martin was going to turn the tables on him.

How the hell did this issue get turned around?

No one knows what really happened that night. I do know that Trevon was on that property legally and unarmed, and I do know Zimmerman was told NOT to follow him.

I think he obviously ignored that advice, followed Martin and attempted to detain him and it got physical.

Martin got the better of him Zimmerman shot him.

Just think for minute how this would have turned out if Zimmerman had not pursued Martin. Martin would have made it to his destination and none of this would have happened, or what id Zimmerman was not armed? He would have gotten the shit kicked out of him and learned a dam good lesson and Trevon Martin would still be alive.

Now have fun down voting me but before you do think about the original facts and how this whole tragedy began.




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I don't know enough about it--

I don't have MSM, and this is the first time I've heard about it--

I don't have the facts; since there were only two people there (I assume), and one is dead, how will *we* ever know the truth?

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

The facts are that the police

The facts are that the police didn't originally charge Zimmerman for a reason, the jury returned a not guilty verdict for that same reason: there wasn't enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of murder.

But because of this thought process, speculation about what Zimmerman may or may not have been thinking or "looking for", we have a 3rd party group of victims suffering, thanks to fanning of flames by the media and our government(as usual), and that is property owners and citizens in places where there are riots.

Speculation like this has led to people being assaulted and beaten as well as property destroyed. Property legally earned by hard working people. People losing a bit of their precious time due to an angry mob assaulting them just because they were in the wrong place at this unfortunate time.

I'd recommend you think about the victims right now in Los Angeles and Chicago and other places before you cherry pick the information that supports your preconceived notions. They are suffering because of what people "think". He was found not guilty by an impartial jury of his peers. While Trayvon's death is an absolutely tragedy, I don't think it's wise to fuel a misdirected media fire and have it boil over into even more tragedies.

Can we all at least spell the dead man's name correctly?

It is Trayvon.

Author,

I fully agree with you. I didn't think that Zimmerman was guilty of premedidated murder and malice, however he should be guilty of manslaughter. It was his negligence that caused him to follow Martin, armed, and put himself in the situtation of harm.

He pursued him, Martin confronted him about it, and like a little chicken shit Zimmerman pulled the gun and killed him. If Zimmerman had minded his own business Martin would have continued walking home and would still be alive. Martin was not looking for a fight, but when someone started stalking him, he stood his ground.

It's the non-trial details that are the story

That's not to say that justice shouldn't be served (regardless of who was guilty or innocent). It's a tragedy that anyone loses their life. And Trayvon was very young so it makes it even more sad. On the Zimmerman side, his life is going to be very difficult on multiple fronts (knowing he killed someone, knowing that he and probably his family have death threats, etc).

However, again, the thing that sticks out in my mind about this case are the non-trial details. Why was this case made brought into the national spotlight? There are plenty of murders that go on (Chicago anyone?)

Why was Zimmerman's call edited (I think by MSNBC) to make it seem like he was racist? Why was he referred to as "white Hispanic"? Why did the judge bring up the possibility of manslaughter? Why is Eric Holder going after Zimmerman.

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Asking is answering

Asking the questions you ask is in fact answering them, tersely.

As for an elaborated version:

if not done yet, read my post of a while ago, titled "To The Youth" to learn about everything of the mechanic behind it.

Most relevant part : "On Antagonisms"

Linky : http://www.dailypaul.com/280094/to-the-youth#Antagonisms

Bam! See, that was NAILED, already.

History does not just repeat itself:

it stutters, in fact.

Seriously. Am I alone to think that this sort of tasteless CIRCUS is getting REALLY, REALLY, REALLY... FREAKING... OLD ?!

SERIOUSLY, people?

I asked (rhetorically) for being given "a break". And I would - gladly! - say "Thank You!", should I ever get it.

Too bad, though:

Looks like I'm not going to get it any time soon...

In this country, included.

Sigh.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

The OP brings up the

The OP brings up the interesting point; why wasn't Zimmerman arrested at first? Why did the police take his word as proof? The police ran a tox screen on Martin's body, and they ran a background check on Martin. They should have done the same for Zimmerman. Then, they would have seen Zimmerman's record and had some more reason to suspect him.

True, the police may have simply looked at the physical injuries (which during the trial was revealed to be not significant) and come to a conclusion. But Martin was only 17; that had to be a red flag. Plus, always do due diligence when someone dies.

FYI, check out these racist tweets from Zimmerman's brother. Is Zimmerman like the brother?:
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/george-zimmermans-br...

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Sorry, I just pulled your leg. :)

Sorry, I just pulled your leg. :)

LOLOLOL. Silly me. :P

Was just teasing, of course. ;)

...

They can still come, though:

Maybe(?) we don't have guns(???)

;)

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Dear Dr. NO, I grant you permission to share my details

Dear Dr. NO,

I grant you permission to share my details with the fine folks complaining about the racism of Zimmerman's brother.

These fine folks are welcome to come, any time. I'll offer home made cookies, and real (french roast) coffee, so that I can have some time to elaborate on this, for their curiosity:

If there's a racist around, it's not him, it's me.

You always ask for evidence, don't you? Help yourself:

Here's what I have to leave online for all to see about their daddy/boss/King:

http://www.dailypaul.com/292315/obama-to-begin-huge-reorgani...

See, the comment's title tells it all.

Does it not?

And before you ask:

Nope.

I won't retract.

Not one word.

I'm not very good at name calling, rather lame at it, so I often prefer picturesque "depictions". As faithful as possible.

Wink, wink ;-)

'Hope it helps!

P.S.
You think they can read English, btw?

I'm asking, because, you know, granted, my comment is more than two line-long.

I tend to be verbose.

Please make sure to let them know I'm sorry about that.

I wouldn't that to turn anybody "off"...

Not such fine folks!

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wuts it like

to be _____________?
just axin

What happened to the daily paul?

Why am I getting downvoted into nonexistence for simply expressing my opinion that George Zimmerman acted recklessly? When you get a CWP in this state they tell you not to follow people or confront people.... it's in the class that you have to take to get the permit.... it's not even an opinion, it's a fact. What the hell is going on here?

Here you go sirra

"There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it."
http://www.dailypaul.com/292213/guide-to-forum-spies#comment...

You are being riled up by emotional threads.

When you articulate your opinion you are attacked and downvoted into oblivion.

You will be angry and resentful, in that mind frame you can no longer think critically (ie, add to the dialogue) and may either fall into the left/right illusion or quit posting entirely (either one works for them)

There are a lot of black and white thinkers on the DP

Black and white thinkers don't simply disagree. You have to be in complete lock-step on every point or you're horribly wrong and knowingly and recklessly putting our very future in danger with your obstinate wrongness. You'd have to be worshiping an evil god who has promised you power and riches in the wasteland of humanity the cult that worships it has planned for the Earth. That's the only thing that would make your actions make sense so it's surely what you've done.

BTW, I'm of the belief that we can never know who was the aggressor or if any aggression was justified, but there is no middle ground to black and white thinkers so I'm just as in league with the evil god as you are.

Defend Liberty!

people downvote you when they

people downvote you when they think you're wrong. what, are you gonna cry about it?

edit: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DP, WHYD U DOWNVOTE ME haha

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Zimmerman is guilty of

being a wimp. Thats about it.
The fact that he couldn't hold his own in a one on one fight is pretty sad and he probably deserved to get his ass kicked for following the thug around.
He didn't break any Florida laws though.

Let someone hit you

by surprise, with a sweet punch to the nose.

It'll take more than a moment to come back.

Why is it sad if one can not

Why is it sad if one can not hold their own in a fight? Are we all created equal in the sense of physical strength and fighting skill?

Oh the humanity - Peggy I have never seen so many comments!

once again folks, before you tap a key and type, know the facts of the case. At least some of them please.... Don't get fooled by the MSM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-Ax5E8EJc

You don't know?

Skittles mean he's innocent? Ni**a Pleaz? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...

Lol! Travons role models.

Lol! Travons role models. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCEBtSAWZ00

For those who dont know...Skittles and Arizona Watermelon Tea are popular ingredients in Purple Drank otherwise known as Sizzurp or Lean when mixed with Robotusin DXM or liquid codein.

The Skiddles create a rainbow in the drank. "Taste the rainbow!"

What's funny is they are passing out Skittles and AZ tea at the rallies to honor this thug!

The implication being that

The implication being that because Trayvon Martin was buying these things, he wanted to peddle drugs?

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Well, I would say he was

Well, I would say he was mixing a concoction that is popular in the thug community...because apparently according this song and many others its cool to be a thug and its cool to be fcked up on codeine or Robotussin. He was not hiding the facts on social media. I'd provide a link to show you but one would assume you could find it on your own with a simple Internet search.

Show me the link. Young

Show me the link.

Young people are always like "I am a thug, gangsta, etc". That doesn't mean that they are those things.

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I might very well become so mad to kill my own son by myself

May I point out?

Sure, we can always just sit on our hands and wait passively to see if "our kids" (oh yeah, remember they belong to the community** from now on, btw) evolve towards the ugly they've explicitly praised, defying everything we're supposed to value as responsible adults. "Such a nice show" Er... NOT, maybe?

You are a very patient person, and prone to find every possible excuses to people! Which I can't really blame in the absolute, in fact...

A big "HOWEVER", though :

Well, don't know about you, but with or without such disclosure, should I have to learn by (harsh) surprise that one of my sons eventually ended up having this sort of "hobby" behind my back...

Fast forward at minute 11 and on to admire the works of these young "Spielberg's" :

http://www.dailypaul.com/292437/i-cant-wait-to-move-to-flori...

... I might very well become so mad to kill my own son by myself.

And I'd finish my days behind bars, just as likely, and also probably rightly so, since I wouldn't have kept the calm I praised in my principles...

(sometimes rage out of dishonor gets the most of us; there have been precedents, as we know)

** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qtpdSQox0

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Find the facts on your own

Find the facts on your own dude. I've already spent way too much time on this thread. Don't be lazy. You should come to a debate with some facts next time.

I don't know what's worse...a thug or wanna be thug.

Frankly, it looks really

Frankly, it looks really mild. Some graffiti/vandalism, reported accusations of theft, and a few posts here and there with a lot of pompous bragging, and not much else.

Plus, it should be mentioned that he was tall but only 158 pounds. Hardly muscular.

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Ummm....

Sizzurp is Sprite and cough syrup...

Lean

can consist of Sprite, Mountain Dew, Arizona Ice Tea Watermelon Juice Drink, Skittles, Jolly Ranchers and over the counter cough medicine (DMX). Purple Drank substitutes the DMX with prescription cough medicine containing codeine.

This concoction can, over time, damage the liver and kidneys. Martin was 17 and had damage to his liver as noted in the autopsy report.

Um...I think there are lots

Um...I think there are lots of different variations but what ever.