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Am I the only one on DP that thinks Zimmerman was guilty?

You know I think back to when this whole Trevon Martin shooting broke. People were outraged that Zimmerman was not charged. I mean whites and blacks alike.

Then something changed. Somehow this became a race issue.

Who was really standing their ground that night. Zimmerman who had a gun, or Trevon Martin.

A seventeen year old is dead. What did he do? How did Zimmerman end up in a physical fight with Trevon Martin? Martin wasn't looking for trouble, he hadn't robbed anyone. This kid who was walking along eating skittles blapping on his cell phone just decided he was going to beat Zimmerman to death.

No one will ever convince me that Trevon Martin instigated a fight that night. Zimmerman was a tough guy with a gun, and an vigilante mind set.

Zimmerman was looking for trouble that night and he found it, he just didn't expect that Martin was going to turn the tables on him.

How the hell did this issue get turned around?

No one knows what really happened that night. I do know that Trevon was on that property legally and unarmed, and I do know Zimmerman was told NOT to follow him.

I think he obviously ignored that advice, followed Martin and attempted to detain him and it got physical.

Martin got the better of him Zimmerman shot him.

Just think for minute how this would have turned out if Zimmerman had not pursued Martin. Martin would have made it to his destination and none of this would have happened, or what id Zimmerman was not armed? He would have gotten the shit kicked out of him and learned a dam good lesson and Trevon Martin would still be alive.

Now have fun down voting me but before you do think about the original facts and how this whole tragedy began.

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well said.

well said. the only thing i take issue with is your use of the term left ;) - there is no left or right mainstream media, just variations of establishment BS. I'm further "left" than anyone I've ever seen on MSNBC, but I never saw this as an issue of race.

But you're falling for it

He wasn't a wannabe cop. He was just doing what is reasonable for neighborhood watch. Maybe a little more.

This 'wannabe cop' story has been drummed up by the left as part of their racial politics. On one side you have the desire to dominate and boss around with aggressive force (by white people) and on the other you have death of the innocent minding his business (black people). Pure racial narrative.

Please don't keep going with this wannabe cop thing. He wasn't a wannabe cop. The evidence has disproven that notion.

So true, as well as the fact that being a want to be cop

Is not illegal. Are all people that apply to be cops bad people? What a non argument.


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Neighborhood Watch

So, if your area has a Neighborhood Watch Program that has been organized to work with law enforcement to prevent crime in your area, and you see someone that you feel is questionable in behaviour, in appearance, or other indicators that makes you feel suspicious of this person...and you are keeping an eye on this individual after calling the police...and the guy you are watching confronts you and starts pounding the crap out of you...and fearing for your life...you in a last resort self defense action...pull out your legally carried pistol and shoot the guy....you are then charged with murder due to public and media pressure...you go to court and are found innocent and aquitted of any crime...your life is then threatened by numerous people who don't like the verdict...people protest and act out in violence and riots because the person killed was non white and you are white...the word racist and racism is thrown out everywhere... the President of the US puts his 2 cents in about it...a US Senator states that This isn't over in terms of the verdict...and then the Federal Govt. DOJ decides to look further into it with their own investigation and possible charges.. .I ASK YOU, what the hell is going on in this country? Are you Peggy R an ignorant biased bigot racist yourself, or have you no regard for our legal process and the right for one to defend ones self in a life threatning situation?

I belong to and live in a Neighborhood Watch Program neighborhood, and I participate as a part of it, I have reported suspicious people in my neighborhood, I have been outside and observed them, and if someone jumps me or attacks me and puts me in a situation where I am fearing for my life, as a last resort I will exercise the right to defend myself with a legally carried weapon. And if I do, and that person turns out to be a different ethnic background then me, does that mean I will have to go through the same treatment as Zimmerman? If I do, there IS something wrong with this country.

This isn't about race.

Its about a moron who happened to have a gun.

From the kids perspective he was basically being mugged, he fought back, and now he's dead because some limp dick retard wanted to play cops and robbers with live ammunition.

I'm all in favor of open carry, or concealed carry or whatever, but when you have a gun, and you make some bad decisions and put yourself in a situation where you have to use it to take the life of another human being, there ought to be repercussions.

Zimmerman should have been nailed for manslaughter and put away for a few years.

If a cop had pulled this shit on anyone EVERYONE on this site would be going nuts demanding the bastard be put in the slammer.

God the comments here are

God the comments here are getting dumber and dumber... it's like all the fact deniers are out in full force.

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"No one will ever convince me that"...reveals prejudice

I'm glad you had the spunk to write your descent as you have, Ms. Peggy R; and respect that you've been a long time DPer, as have I. That being said, I hope you'll hear me kindly as I descent to some points in your opinions, as I read them. I didn't down-vote you for what you've said above, and I sincerely hope we can find better common ground on the facts as we've just now been told them in this Florida courtroom setting.

Sadly, if you were a jury candidate, I would be a bad judge of intentional prejudice if I didn't disqualify you as a potential juror because of many things you wrote in your thread. When you second-guessed those twelve, well-informed, jurors with such a weak list of prejudicial speculations; I felt a proper reply was well deserved here.

I hope we can build bridges; not close doors. WWRPD?

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

Yeah, those same Florida jurors


They had the same women.....

....as jurors in the Casey Anthony case as this one? Didn't know that. What's the chances these six women were picked twice for these trials?


Just lol

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Law and facts often work better than that

I'm sorry to say that I didn't follow that case as closely as this, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't as important. In this case, major racial and political value has been forced onto this verdict when, I believe, it clearly ought not to be, eh?

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

If you're hiking or hunting in the mountains....

If you're hiking or hunting in the mountains, and you turn around and notice that you're being stalked by a mountain lion... What do you do?

zimmerman wasn't the mtn

zimmerman wasn't the mtn lion, treyvon was for attacking him. zimmerman was more like a gopher or prairie dog.

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Difference Between

A fat 'crazy-az cracker' and a mountain lion.

Trayvon Martin's Friends and mentors

In Trayvon's text messages, he said that he wanted to be a gangsta'. These are the upstanding folks that he wished to emulate:


“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”― Henry David Thoreau

There is actually evidence that Trayvon started the fight

Lots of it. This idea that Zimmerman was this wannabe cop who racistly pursued a poor innocent kid then shot him as soon as things go hot - it's Obama propaganda bro.

Zimmerman's black neighbor had been robbed and home invaded by teenagers earlier, and Zimmerman's neighborhood watch activities helped minimize the damage. Had Trayvon simply said, "Why are you following me?" Zimmerman would have asked what he was doing and they could have parted ways just fine.

Trayvon chose to sneak up on and beat Zimmerman - plenty of evidence for that - and ended up getting shot as a result.

You say you refuse to believe that it was anything other than the phoney narrative.

Why? You need to evaluate who you listen to in your life, and your critical thought process. This idea of Zimmerman as the racist out-to-get-you wannabe cop ONLY came from the race-baiters. Why have you adopted it as the only thing you're willing to believe?

"Trayvon chose to sneak up on

"Trayvon chose to sneak up on and beat Zimmerman - plenty of evidence for that - and ended up getting shot as a result"

Where is this evidence? There is evidence that Martin beat him, but that is it. Hwere is the evidence that Zimmermann walked away.

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His phone call with 911

It was all on the phone.

Zimmerman got out of his car to see where Trayvon went, because they asked him: "Where did he go?"

They said, "We don't need you to follow him."

Zimmerman said, "Okay".

Later, in the middle of talking he was interrupted, then there was screaming.

Witnesses described a one-sided beat down of Zimmerman by Martin.

This whole story of Zimmerman tracking down Martin, relentlessly acting as the 'wannabe cop' is a phony narrative invented by the gun/race baiters. It's so prolific that peoples' psychology of what happened is linked to this version of events.

But the evidence shows that Zimmerman was just being a neighborhood watch guy. That's. All.

When teenagers have been breaking into houses all over your neighborhood, and you see one ducking in between houses, there's nothing illegal or improper about trying to investigate it and call the cops at the same time.


Neighborhood STALK is more like it. I wish that any of your morons cheering for a moron like Zimmerman would confront me on the street like that. I PRAY FOR IT.

Then you are as ignorant as Martin, and for that ignorance

A child died, I hope one would teach their children differently. Again, being a moron as you suggests is not illegal, only when a morton attacks a person carrying a weapon.

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You're a hateful person.

You're a hateful person.

The Revolution Continues..


So you could jump them, then get shot and be a dead, angry, fool?

Your attitude is why Trayvon is dead, not George Zimmerman who was just doing neighborhood watch.

It's like, there's this evil part of you that is FEEDING off the anger. And everyone that wants to pin this on Zimmerman and see him pay is feeding off the same thing. You know what they call that, when you feed of of anger directed towards other people in an attempt to fill yourself with raw, ugly, power?


Learn about it.

And read the facts about this case. He wasn't stalking Trayvon.


But how about these houses get a big figgin dog, maybe an alarm system.

I would like to see teenagers break in then.

No, instead, they opt for a shaved head, gotee' hispanic to protect them from unarmed teenagers walking home. Good decisions all around.

But then again, I have children and Trayvon did not scare me. But Hores, I mean, George with a gun does. IMHO.

He was just neighborhood watch

Just reporting suspicious activity to the police.

If Trayvon wouldn't have jumped Zimmerman, nobody would have been hurt or gone to jail.

Now, maybe cops are all crooked, fine, but that's a different argument.

"No one knows what really

"No one knows what really happened that night." -Peggy R

Then why do you think he's guilty?

Pull back from everything else you said, and just focus on that.

Why did you even bother writing that sentence? Truth is, one person on the planet does know what happened that night. We all heard his story, and a relatively random selection of six people determined that they couldn't prove his story [of what happened that night] false. Can you [prove it false]? Perhaps you think him guilty of something other than murder. If that's the case, please clarify for what you find him guilty. If you're to be ambiguous regarding Zimmerman's guilt, perhaps you can also ambiguously ponder what ambiguous notions of guilt Martin may also have borne. But you don't know "what really happened that night". So your conjecture is only bound by your whim. Happy pondering to you! [or a happier letting go!!]

innocent until proven guilty

You are making judgements based on assumptions.

The point is we don't know what happened and we won't ever know. Martin could have instigated it. If he had some creepy guy following him he might have confronted said creepy guy. It is unlikely Zimmerman set out to shoot Martin since he called the cops first but again we don't know.

It is totally irrelevant who was screaming in the audio since that has no bearing on who instigated the fight so I am not sure why so much emotion and effort was put into that detail. It *might* show who had upper hand at that moment in time but then again in heat of fight....not even sure of that.

So really we don't know who instigated it. It very well could be a lot of bad decisions were made by both of them and a tragic fight and death occurred. Either way it is tragic but I don't think you can convict someone without the evidence.

I can't believe people are in the streets over this. Why don't they get in the streets when a black guy is wrongly convicted?? That would be the time to make the point....not take it out on someone when you don't even know what happened, someone who could be innocent.

Why aren't people in the streets over the 50-80,000 people being tortured with solitary confinement? Why aren't they in the streets over the government spying on them? Why aren't they in the streets for all the whistleblowers being charged with crimes? Why aren't they in the streets over victimless crimes? Why aren't they in the streets just to reclaim the right to protest the government?

OH, but we do know who initiated the violence

Martin did, he had injuries on his knuckles only, Zimmerman had head injuries only. Pretty clear who started it.

when I was paying more attention before the trial

it seemed like there was a witness that said something to that effect too. Then of course they tried to tear down any witness. The whole thing was media hype IMHO

I think people need to respect the Jury's decision. I really don't get the hysteria.

It's reasonable doubt. Sorry Peggy, but you are wrong.

The facts in the case supported his acquittal. It is not what you think when it concerns a person's freedom, it's what you personally know.

Peggy, please review Stefan Molyneux's run down on these facts of the incident.


Also please have an open mind. Trevon was no angel, and to pretend he was is a complete mischaracterization of fact. Zimmerman might not have been the brightest bulb in the package. No one is perfect.

After all is said and done at this point, it seems Zimmerman is more honest and ethical than the attorneys who tried to railroad him by withholding evidence. In addition I hope he has the strength to file civil charges against the state for misconduct in a capital case.

Honestly, the Hispanic Zimmerman was no racist vigilante, and to think so is just foolish. This is and was the basis for the race-baiters, and initially the motive first pursued by overzealous DA's seeking fame. The prosecutors soon found Zimmerman to be less of a racist vigilante than Jesus Christ himself.

Furthermore, in the immortal words of Ben Franklin who paraphrased what William Blackstone stated in 1769, “the law holds that it is better that 10 guilty persons escape, than that 1 innocent suffer (innocent person be convicted).”

Why are you Zimmer-haters here? You either believe in liberty and all its imperfections or you believe in the tooth fairy.

There's is no Left vs. Right, only Tyranny vs. Freedom!

mr mike

My problem about the facts in this case are my main issue. I keep repeating this and over an over again, and I am attacked.

I don't think this was a race issue with Zimmerman. I think the jury made the right decision on the acquittal based on what they had to go on. I think that the prosecution had a political agenda. I don't think Zimmerman should have gone away for life. I think that the comment that asshole Harry Reid sending the DOJ after Zimmerman is outrageous.

No one was there when this physical altercation started. That is an absolute fact. All we have is Zimmermans side of it. I know Trevon was a smart ass, but I know he also had some strange guy following him.

What If Zimmerman attempted to detain Trevon till the cops got there? Something as simple as grabbing his arm could have been enough to trigger a physical response from Trevon Martin.

I have been attacked for having a different point of view and stating something that is without a doubt a fact. WE do not know if it went down the way Zimmerman said it did.

The fact that he was getting beaten is irrelevant to me if he is the one that started the fight. I would hope all you guys agree that in any fight there is usually a winner and a loser.

We don't know that Trevon would have beaten Zimmerman to death. His injuries sure as hell were not life threatening.

All I know is a kid that was walking through a neighborhood was targeted. The Police were called. Trevon was not slinking through back yards, he was walking on the street. His hoodie was up, it was raining. I don't really care how big he was, he was only 17 and now he is dead.

I know Trevon had a past, but so did Zimmerman.