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What Was Your Favorite Ron Paul Moment?

My favorite Ron Paul moment occurred during the 2012 debate in South Carolina. In the midst of a heated debate with Newt Gingrich about foreign policy, Dr. Paul evoked the Golden Rule and said that we should treat other nations the way we would want to be treated. It is somewhat ironic that those in the heart of the Bible Belt booed him for that. Unfortunately, many of the churches there have been hijacked by the warvangelicals and their erroneous eschatology. The Ron Paul moment in South Carolina really demonstrated the fact that the good Doctor was not concerned with political expediency or catering to his audience. That Ron Paul moment continues to influence me.

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BTW, there's no mention of Ron Paul being a Neo-Liberal on his wiki right now.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

I know how wiki works

If I paid wiki, and had government FORCE to back me, and a payroll to afford people to monitor wiki and re-write wiki.. as I am watching happen, which appears to be months in the works, I believe I would need more than a few hours to correct all I'm witnessing being changed.

It's not so much about wiki, as having a NEUTRAL groud that defines terms. If not wiki, then what?

If you liik at the wki Neoliberalism you will not only see Ron Paul, but his entire econimic base.

Your reference to Ron Paul reminds me of the times a person who has been subjected says, "I'm the last to find out."

You're mistaking economic liberalism (neoliberalism),

which the Austrian School of economics is a part of, to neoconservatism (political/intellectual movement). You equated neoliberalism in one of your previous posts (there's no such term as a neoliberal political theory) to neoconservatism, that does derive from Trotskyism.

Neoliberalism has had several connotations at different periods depending who you ask but generally, today, it is equated to "laissez faire" economic policies of classical liberalism (which the Founders are generally thought to adhere to).

To be clear, Ron Paul IS an advocate of neoliberalism (economic policy as per today's general connotation of the term) as is the Austrian School of economics and IS NOT, and is in fact a declared enemy, to neoconservatism (which you and I erroneously equated to neoliberalism in previous posts), the political/intellectual movement.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an


I am not confusing NEOliberalism to NEOconservatisism.

Neo liberal and Neo conservative had nothing to do with economics in my 4 decades of activism. It had everything to do with sovreignity opposed to NEO NWO global government.

As of, 13 July 13, NEO took on an entire new ECONOMIC base to me, based on what appears, three months of rewritting discriptions. I accept that.

I am not a Neoliberal, and I am not going to be a Neocliberal, or a Neocon, though I will adapt to the NWO, which I accept as having won.

I will fullfill my obligation to my elected seat; However, I am not interested in furthering a polotocal careeer.

I thank Ron Paul for the education, wish Rand Paul well, and will make the best of my enslavement.

Fare you well.

So you're basically making your own definitions up then,


1- The Founders were classic liberals, so is Ron Paul (libertarians, free market)
2- As I said, wikipedia isn't a reliable info tool but if you wish to be trolled by it so be it.

Good Luck!

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

Why are you so angry?

Why are you so angry?

Why would you assume?

Why assume my disposition?

I don't understand that.

To me, I have no idea what a person is feeling until that person identifies their mood, they say, "I am angry", or "I am sad" or whatever they are feeling.

I find that the net does not covey someone's mood well, so I do not take it upon myself and assume what another person is feeling.

If I care about them I ask with something like, "I FEEL, that you are bothered about something. Am I right? I care about you and want to know if I can help."

So to assume how one is feeling, is a kind of rape.. you do not care about how I feel, rather you assume for yourself and lable me according to your idea, as if your idea is somehow superior.

Knowing this, intrinsically, you can attempt to manipulate, especially if this is a person who you do not like.. "Why are you so angry" (you should be angry you stupid POS I don't like you and neither does the majority LOL).

This said, allow me to tell you what I think about anger.

Anger is fuel. It's energy. As an energy, anger can be used constructively or destructively.

I choose to employ anger constructively, meaning that I take the energy and work to build.. for example, my activism. Rather than complaining about trash on the beach or blaming the people who put trash on the beach, I find that by picking up the trash on the beach, not only am I doing a service for my community by picking it up, but the energy I burn is also burning calories, so I feel better.

Some people do not have constructive ways to deplete their anger, and they store it until it ignites and they hurt others and themselves and why so many people fear anger, or rebuke anger, or act passivily agressive, "WHY ARE YOU SO ANGRY?" They point to others rather then themselves. Or, "What happened to you, you were once such a peacefull loving person and now you are calling Snowden, Snowjob, and I like Snowden and don't like what you are doing.. you WERE such a nice person before (when I agreed with you).

So instead of asking me why I am so angry, why not admit that you are angry and do something positive for yourself and your community rather than attack me in a passive aggressive way?

Truth be told, I am doing very well. Yesterday was my birthday. I was treated to a redwood hot tub soak for an hour and a half, and then a big party under the tent on the Mendocino Headlands with Jorma http://www.mendocinomusic.org/ and treated to an awesome Japanese dinner at Taka's, soft shell crab, sushi, vegetable and shrimp tempura, miso, wakami, and more, and hand churned ice cream. I have dozens of birthday cards and gifts, and offered a great job (waiting for the call now when to show up, great pay).

God must LOVE me very much.

Things are going wonderful for me, and I hope they are for you too.

Wow, I didn't read the novel

Wow, I didn't read the novel you wrote. I actually never read anything of yours passed a small paragraph inside. They usually contain some snow job of "the gop won't cheat us again" or "Israel isn't a terroristic country".

I would be angry if people figured out that you're in an air conditioned office in the alphabet of government tyrannical buildings.

All that typing for nothing.

Where's that block button at?

Do what YOU want

have a nice day

Do you

not like Ron Paul? Why are you on this site in the first place then?

Because of Rand?? Well you are in for a surprise pal.

I don't know

I was on this site long before many here. I joined a Ron Paul rEVOLution which DP was a BIG part, and then MN fell out, didn't want to be part of the rEVOLution in the GOP and swung with the LIBERTY MOVEMENT and Libertarians supporting GJ.

I have always supported MN, and I'm not one to abandon a friend, even when we don't agree 100%, after all I didn't agree with Ron Paul 100% when I joined the rEVOLution.. I refused to join the GOP in 07/08.

But having met Ron Paul and him telling me that he was not going to leave the GOP, I joined the GOP, was elected to a committee seat, became the Northwest team leader, placed third in Ron Paul support for the state of CA, became a national delegate, though Romney won CA, so I didn't go to the convention. and my elected seat is until 2014.. and like DP, I'm not going to abandon my seat.

I give myself permission to grow, to change, and since I have a truth quest I tell it like I see it and let the chips fall where they may. Feel free to downvote and or ignor. Whatever suits you, by all means DO WHAT YOU WANT. I am.


What is a Neo-Liberal?

Edgar Morgan

A Neo-Liberal

Back in the 1980s when Bill Clinton became president, I recall the term Neo-Liberal.. a neo liberal was one who abandoned the Liberal ideas of JF Kennedy, who stood for America's sovreignity. A Neoliberal rather sought to unite with liberals globally.. NEO, was for New A New World Order, where they could control the world through the UN.

When "W" Bush Jr became president, a group of Neoliberals left the Democratic Party and joined the GOP and became the Neocons, Republicans who wanted to join with the Neo-Liberals and control the world throught the UN.

Ron Paul called himself a conservative.

In the past three months, the definations of what is a Neoliberal has changed. The links with Bill Clinton either will not open, or he is eliminated, or he is made in association, but Bill Clinton is not a Neoliberal. He is called a Liberal (the sites labling him as a Neoliberal won't open).

If you look on the wiki link, you will see Ron Paul and the Austrian School/Chicago school of economics as being the Neo-Liberal HOME BASE.

So, today, Ron Paul is NOT a conservative, nor is he promoting conservatives views. Ron Paul is a NEO-LIBERAL.

You will also notice Britton/England all over the political map, as if the USA is not a sovreign nation, but a colony of the UK.

If you look at the history of the wiki link, you will see, all this has been edited/ changed within the past three months.

In a way it is like a book burning.

Today, I am sure, that there are those gleaning the web for political reference and eliminating anything that would give anyone the idea that what those of us who believed Neoliberal was Bill Clinton and a global government do not exist.

So.. today, Ron Paul is not a conservative. go to the wiki conservative, and you will not find Ron Paul. You will find Brittish/English history.. not American.

Economics is now key to what your political position is, not phiilosophy. Libertarians, you will see, are Neo-Liberals, and Noam Chomsky is a Libertarian, not Ron Paul.

That's wiki.. and some here say.. well, forget wiki. OK

So where do we go to find a nuetral ground to make a case or defend a case?

Where does Ron Paul go to say.. "I am a conservative, not a NeoLiberal"?

I don't know. If I thought Ron Paul was a Neoliberal, I would have never supported him. So maybe I'm just now waking up?

I thought I knew a little about politics being an activist for decades.. but I'm finding out, I don't know what I am, what I'm doing here on DP, in the GOP.. I'm one of the most confused people I've ever known at this point.

You're so confused

with the etymology of the terms "neoliberalism" and "neoconservatism"...

Neoliberalism: An approach to economics and social studies in which control of economic factors is shifted from the public sector to the private sector. Drawing upon principles of NEOCLASSICAL ECONOMIC, neoliberalism suggests that governments reduce deficit spending, limit subsidies, reform tax law to broaden the tax base, remove fixed exchange rates, open up markets to trade by limiting protectionism, privatize state-run businesses, allow private property and back deregulation.


So we've established that neoliberalism draws upon neoclassical economic policies ie Founding Fathers.

Now Neoconservatism (you'll like the CONSERVATIVE source lol):

"A neoconservative (also spelled "neo-conservative"; colloquially, neocon) in American politics is someone presented as a conservative but who actually favors big government, interventionalism, and a hostility to religion in politics and government. The word means "newly conservative," and thus formerly liberal. A neocon is a RINO Backer, and like RINOs does not accept most of the important principles in the Republican Party platform. Neocons do not participate in the March for Life, stand up for traditional marriage, or advocate other conservative social values. Neocons support overthrowing foreign governments even when the results are new regimes likely to allow persecution of Christians. "

There's no "neoconservative economic theory" and there isn't a "neoliberal political theory": one is a term to describe an economic theory (neoliberalism), the other a political theory (neoconservatism).

Ron Paul is a neoliberal as is the Austrian School and so were the Founding Fathers.

Hope this helps your confusion but I somehow doubt it...

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

I read the wiki description

You're not saying anything wiki didn't begin saying just a few days ago.

Ron Paul said he was a conservative. Ron Paul did not campaign as a NEOLIBERAL with NEOLIBERAL ECONOMIC agenda.

Show me where, anywhere, Ron Paul says, WE NEED A NEOLIBERAL ECONOMIC AGENDA, or anything where Ron Paul is supporting, suggesting, NEOLIBERAL. Don't try to sell me the wiki description of Neoliberal. That was NOT Ron Paul's campaign in aqny way, shape of form.

I'm saying the terms, and not just on wiki.. for three days sites I have used for SEVEN years as reference are not opening. They are NOT available, and some that have opened say UPDATED UPDATED IPDATED and everything that was said, is EDITED to the kind of BS you posted with "conservapedia".

I said RON PAUL IS A NEOLIBERAL. That's NEWS to me. I can't wait to hear him tell us that he's a NEOLIBERAL.

I'm ealing with MY confusion. You deal with yours.

Good day.

First of all

what conservapedia says about neoconservatism is the essence of what neoconservatism is and always has been, it has nothing to do with conservatism. Perhaps you've been erroneously thinking that what you call conservatism is in fact neoconservatism in reality, you might be a neocon at heart and don't even know it lol...

Here's the good doctor explaining what neoconservatism is. This was written in 2003 so don't come with the "it has been edited" paranoia bs:

Second, neoliberalism is an economic theory favoring free trade, privatization, minimal government intervention in business, reduced public expenditure on social services, etc

Look at the first paragraph of the link I provided which was written by RP:
"The LIBERAL arguments for limited
government in personal affairs and foreign military adventurism
were never seriously considered as part of this revolution."

The "liberal" word in that sentence DOES NOT refer to democrats or those referred as liberals in US politics, it refers to liberal economic theory, which neoliberals and classical liberals (Founding fathers) and Ron Paul are a part of.

Ther are 2 main economic schools of thought that are neoliberal: the Chicago School, the Austrian School.

RP didn't call it neoliberal economic theory because because it would confuse people just like it has confused you: liberals in US politics DO NOT, in general, adhere to neoliberal economic theories but the Austrian school IS a neoliberal school of economics and RP is a known Austrian.

If you never heard RP say that we need less government, less regulations, against sanctions on other countries (free trade) which are essentially neoliberal economic policies then you were sleeping this whole time, I'm sorry to say...

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

Like I said

I only saw the wiki yesterday, and based on what wiki says is a NEOCON, I'm absolutely a NEOCON. I didn't agree with Bush, didn't support Bush in any way, shape or form, didn't vote for Bush and never saw him as a supporter for Israel, but rather a blackmailing warmongering SOB who stole the elction.. but none of that is in wiki.. all wiki has to say in the NEOCONS support Israel, and I SUPPORT ISRAEL.

I'm not worried about confusing others, I'm interested in clearing up my own confusion. I am not into changing or controlling other people, I focus the change on myself. If the shoe fits, I'm not going to hang around in denile.. wiki says support of Israel is a NEOCON.. I'm a flaming NEOCON in NEON LIGHTS let it shine let it shine.

There is NO ism.. not neoconservatism, paleoconservatism, liberalism, libertarianism with any economic policy.. I always thought politics was based on philosophy, not economic policy.

Less governement, less regulations, against sanctions (free trade).. I agreed with.. and I heard Ron Paul say Israel is our friend, and the Neocons were not friends to Israel because they used FRNs to control Israel.. and I agreed with ALL that.

I was curious why Ron Paul said Israel is our friend, and I'll tell you what I learned, Israel stands for SOVREIGNITY, the government protects the RIGHTS of the people, and the people have militas in their communities that unite, and are trained, under the Israeli DEFENSE FORCE, which does not entangle itself with others acting like the global police. Israel believes in FREE TRADE, and supports a cosmopolitain state that has many nationalities, many religions, many SMALL businesses, NO STATE corporations. Seems perfect for a Ron Paul rEVOLution plan to me.. but if you and wiki want to say NEOCONS ARE THOSE WHO SUPPORT ISRAEL.. then I'm a BIG TIME NEOCON. And if being a Neoliberal is merely an economic policy.. I'm not. I'm definately NOT a Libertarian (I was from 1976 - 92, then I went Indy and only joined the GOP in 2011 to help Ron Paul become president.. I refused to join the GOP in 07/08 wished, hoped and prayed he would go Indy).

So.. let it be known, TO ALL OF DP, I will not run, I will not hide.. I will accept the thorny crown of the NEOCON because I SUPPORT ISRAEL. I also support a Palestinian State and think Islam and the UN are today's tyrants. But that's another post.

Only you know where you fit.

My opinion is that you're too confused to be a neocon as you claim that you agree with free markets, less government, less regulations, against warmongers... YET you want to the US to fight wars for Israel. A so called religious conservative might be more appropriate maybe (warvangelical?).

BTW Ron Paul calls Israel a friend just like any other nation that isn't at war with the US is a friend. There's nothing rationally special about that country which has been caught a number of times spying on us, and there's no reason, other than the Zionist neocons that unfortunately control our foreign policy and the religious right, for America to support them more than others or to fight their wars, in fact it creates blowback (you might be familiar with the term if you've listened to Ron Paul...).

If you're not convinced that the corrupt ones are the Zionists all you have to do is look at the presidential candidates that HAVE to do a pilgrimage to Israel to kiss their ass, that's sad. Ron Paul never made the trip... Wonder why he was cheated out of the nomination and defamed by the Zionist media...

You have a pet peeve with anyone criticizing Israel, that's your business but I bet it's also due to confusion and misinformation.

I'll let you with your other issues and confusions but I hope that you're now clear that neoliberalism has nothing to do neoconservatism and certainly not with today's American liberals.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an


I do not want the USA to fight wars for Israel. Israel is not asking the USA to fight their wars. The Neocons entangle Israel, trying to bind Israel, blackmailing FRNs and MIC with Israel.. but Israel does not need the USA, is not asking the USA to be entangled.

Israel simply strives to be SOVREIGN, not entangled in wars.

Israel is not looking for wars.

Israel looks out for Israel and has a healthy distrust of the USA who was caught spying on Israel with the USS Liberty that it bombed as a big message to the USA: MYOB!

This talk about what Jews in the name of Israel control is the same line Hitler's propeganda was all about.

Blowback.. it was a theory RP used to seperate himself from the Neocon excuse to go to war over 911, which most on DP didn't agree as they claimed 911 was an "Inside job". I believe it was a UN job with Islam fuled with hate propeganda to cover the fact that the UN AGENDA 21 and it's environmental protections made it impossible for the USA to demolish the WTC which was obsolete being it was built with hazardous materials (that were legal at the time). There was no way to demolish the WTC legally.. But I don't think it was ALL Bush. I think it was the senators from NY/NJ and the Port Authority (who are NEVER named).

I don't agree with you that is those candidates who go to Israel.. Ron Paul never made the trip, BUT HE SHOULD HAVE, because he says WE SHOULD TRADE, and Israel's products are superior and why China and India are all over Israel.. he should have gone to Israel to make his point about FREE TRADE, instead, he made himself out to be a racist (anti-Jew). Thank God Rand seperated humself from Ron's racist history.. and don't get me wrong, Ron Paul grew up in a racist America.. Robert Byrd carried a pocket constitution and waved it on the Senate floor with every speach as he lamented about the lack of senate in the house hearing anything.. he said his 2 week stint in the KKK was an albatross around his neck, and it was. Ron Paul has a simular albatross with his anti-Israel BS.

Ron Paul was cheated by MSM. I am far from alone in people who sacrificed a great deal.. went out of MY way, spent thousands of dollars, had my car keyed, fought my local GOP to get a seat to be a delegate... I am FAR from alone in people who worked their asses off to get Ron Paul the nomination.. and Ron Paul LET ME DOWN.

He didn't fight when he should have. For all of us who fought our communities, took hits, he suddenly got quiet.. told us to be nice. He didn't stand for us the way we stood for him.. he let us FALL. I joined the bloody GOP, signed loyalty oaths.. I did what I NEVER thought I would do to help Ron Paul, and he didn't fight, he fell back and let our enemies eat us alive. I'm in the GOP.. I have my elected seat, thanks Ron Paul.. I have NO DOUBT the whole thing was a set up for Rand.. and I like Rand, so I'm OK. But Ron never ran to win. He lied about that. And anyone who did not join the GOP and work as hard as I did for Ron Paul isn't going to guilt trip me. I KNOW what Ron Paul did and didn't do.

Zionist media.. this conspiracy propeganda about a zionist media is MORE nazi talk. Blame the jews. People who BLAME are people who don't take responsibilty. Blaming the Jews in the name of Zionist is what mentally lame people do. It's slave talk and all you do talking like that is seal your own fate as a slave.

Ron Paul did NOT have the GOP backing. It was the GOP who silenced Ron Paul.. they gave him NO credit, censored him..Ron Paul did NOT have people SEATED in the GOP to back him. Media sourced GOP and got NOTHING. My own GOP fought me and none of them are Jewish, ALL of them were warmongers and they could care less where the war was.. if the war was to bomb Israel they would have been for that too.

It is not a pet peeve. History repeats itself.. it cycles, and when I see people talking like nazis, using Hitlers same propeganda against The Jews in the name of Zionist and hate for Israel.. I know, they have no idea.. probably would deny because they don't know.. they have bought the conspiracy propeganda in the name of "waking up". Thaty have NOT woken up. They have given themselves fuel to hate and blame, rather than fuel to get involved and change what they don't like.

I don't consider you an expert, not am I seeking your help in my discovery of wiki changing the political game board. I think you're a sucker and what ever fate happens to you, I don't think you have the balls or brains to think and act for yourself.

Don't try to fix me.. fix your own blaming hatefilled self. Nothing but excuses in the name of appeasment.. what a flippin loser you are.

Your irrational obsession for Israel is further confusing you

1- Anti-Zionism is not racism, that's AIPAC, ADL, Foxnews propaganda BS. I don't care what religion or ethnicity is in Israel, it could be Hindus, Animists or whatever other religion/ethnicity that live there, I still would be against that little country being the center of our foreign policy! Stop equating anti zionism with anti-jewish or nazism, that shit doesn't work with me, it just further shows how gullible and naive you are to repeat the same talking points BS the media does lol

2- 9/11: there's plenty of evidence that the CIA and Mossad were involved in the financing and handling of the hijackers. No real investigation has been done on 9/11 so we don't know how deep the rabbit hole is but one thing is certain: the benefactors of that event have been the neocons and Israel.

3- We seem to agree that Israel should be left to deal with its own problems. But look at what was said in the GOP debates, all of them except RP were competing on who will kiss ass to them the most.

4-Yet another contradiction on your confused logic: you say you want to disentangle with Israel yet you're accusing RP of being a racist (!) for not kissing their ass. Just to let you know our most important trading partners are Canada and Mexico followed by Japan, China and European countries like the UK, Germany and France; Israel is not an important trading partner compared to them. There's absolutely no reason to support them or kiss ass to them LIKE YOU WANT. Israel is a country like any other if it wasn't for the zionist and neocons obsession with it! That obsession is almost single handily the cause of the conflicts that the US has been involved in the past 30 years.

Accusing RP of being racist for not kissing their ass shows your true colors as an agent of destruction for our republic, just like the rest of the zionist zealots in government and the media. If you read and follow the constitution, which is what RP advocates, you don't see "presidential candidates have to do a pilgrimage to Israel or you're a racist" anywhere do you? Perhaps you can start a movement to amend it so that that provision is added to it, see how that goes XD

You call people losers lol, you don't even know them or me. You're confused, misinformed which is probably due to the fact that you're gullible, those facts are clear from your posts. You can't even differentiate between the different etymological meanings of liberalism yet you treat people of being losers, you're projecting...

Your confusions are amusing to read and I only intervened in this instance because I erroneously thought it would be simple enough for you to learn the difference between the different connotations of the word neoliberalism, lo and behold! you turned it into a conversation about your obsession with Israel LMAO

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

Talked about obsessed

When I take an interest in a topic or person, I dig. Now you can call that an obsession, or whatever you wish; However, that is how I learn. I go as far as I can, and in the past few months, that is what I have done finding out why Ron Paul said, "Israel is our friend". I am not depending on one source, but many. Some people spend a lifetime, or get a degree, I have spent a few months exploring Israel and you call it an obsession? What I find is the obsession are those who don't study, make an opinion from limited, if not biased, propeganda, refuse to debate, and think they know it all.

1.- While I agree, on the surface anti-zionism is NOT racism, for those who do not KNOW that Israel is a tiny country with many races, religions, and the only country signed to the UN as SOVREIGN, many say, "Zionist", as something they oppose, because, "The Jews control everything", which is not true, and is racist.

Israel is NOT the center of our foreign policy. The UN is.

Stop telling me what to think and say.

2.- There is plenty of evidense Santa Clause is real. The benefactor of 911 was the UN and Saudi Arabia.

3.- The GOP debates were not about who kissed Israel's ass the most, it was HOW they wanted to kiss Israel's ass.. what is most important is the GOP was setting itself up to LOSE.. Romney ran to lose, his campaign ran to lose.. he was selected. When I went to my first meeting there was supposed to be 24 members. There were TWO, both former Democrats, keeping an illusion alive.. this is why Ron Paul urged us to get in the GOP, but the propeganda machine is too strong and many, despite how much they felt they supported Ron Paul, would not even register GOP.. they didn't get it.

The Neocons KNOW the USA is against them, so they align themselves with Israel, not because they are for Israel, but because they are for a NWO and Israel won't join them. Israel tells the UN and Saudis to screw off.. they are not oil dependent.. they have advanced.. so by putting a GOP NEO face on Israel they KNOW they are turning the USA against Israel and this is the plan, for they don't want the USA to be SOVREIGN.. they want the USA to be a cog in the UN NWO.. and my wiki links show how the propeganda machine does not sleep.

4.- What? Ron Paul said Israel is our friend. Ron Paul said the Neocons were not friends with Israel because the Neocons entangle Israel. I agree with Ron Paul.

I agree with your line up of who is an important trading partner. Israel's important trading partners are China, India and South Korea who are LOVING the high tech, agriculture advancement, solar advancements.. Israel is thriving while the USA is nose diving.

I'm not saying the USA needs to kiss Israel's ass. Israel is so far advanced in technology, science.. I'm amazed. I LOVE seeing how they are advancing the human race. No reason we should advance the human race, we're too busy looking for reasons to riot and become Egypt or Syria.

I didn't accuse Ron Paul of being racist. I said I can empathize with those who do.

Yeah, I think those who think Egypt succumbing under marahall law and Syria's civil war are worth cheering, are losers. I'm not into destruction but construction.

I LOVE Israel. Got three business ideas from them.. what's not to love?

Since you claim you want to learn

then you can watch this documentary, verify the info and tell me what you think:

It'll dispel a lot of your myths about your beliefs of the US/Israel relationship and the wars we're dealing with.

About point #3, read what RP wrote in 2003 about the relationship between the neoconservatives and the likud party in the previous link I gave you (point 17). Expanded here as well: http://www.lewrockwell.com/2004/08/paul-craig-roberts/neocon...

So we agree that we need to disentangle from Israel for ours and their sake but what you don't understand is that right now it is the center of our garbage foreign policy: supported dictators in Egypt for decades in part to protect Israel, support terrorists in Syria to remove Assad to isolate Iran so that Israel is protected... Our unconditional support to them has created, and will continue to create, blowback and it is the reason why the US is nose diving. Let them fight their own battles and watch the US thrive.

You say you're part of a GOP committee: are you working towards the disentanglement with Israel? Are you reasoning with those in the religious right to dispel their zealotry for their unconditional support for Israel just like the neocons (which you say you're against)? Are you convincing those in the GOP to stop fighting Israel's battles? I hope you're putting your money where your mouth is.

Also a piece of advise, don't go around treating people of being Nazi or antisemites for merely opposing unconditional support to zionists, it it dispels any credibility that you might have had. Just an advise but as always individuals are free to take it or leave it.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

Number one

I have NEVER owned a TV, I have always been ON THE FRINGE until Ron Paul Rock Star. I bought conspiracy magazine subscriptions LONG before the Internet was invented (by Al Gore or not). My collection of "tin foil hats" is HUGE.

I don't appreciate that your movie begins by telling me how to think. Conspiracy Theory means YOU WILL NEVER GET THE TRUTH.


I joined the GOP to get Ron Paul the nomination. Personally I SUPPORT ISRAEL and a TWO STATE solution FOR PALESTINE and I ENCOURAGE ALL THE FREE TRADE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

I applaud Israel for staying OUT of USA conflicts England pushes the USA into.

You think you can do better? Thet elected like I did.

I have no difficulty imagining that your collection

of tin foil hats is huge when you use terms like NWO and when you claim that England is the source of the wars that the US is involved in lol.

The movie isn't telling you how to think, it's informing you that conspiracies happen all the time and that there's stigma attached to the word "conspiracy". In those 3 hours, the verifiable claims made could have changed your perception of the US/Israel relationship, you obviously don't want to even consider that possibility and you're not here to learn but I suspected that already...

What do you think of RP's declaration that the Likud Party and the neocons are close allies? Did you read the follow up link? Are you really here to look at all sides and learn?

Earlier you claimed you wanted a non-intervention foreign policy towards Israel (consistent with your wish for free trade expressed in your last post) and you agreed with me that we needed to let Israel deal with its problems for our sake and theirs. Do you encourage the people in the GOP to let Israel be their own country instead of having to constantly fight its covert wars and being involved in their conflicts? You obviously believe you can change the GOP since you invest time in that, is that one of the issues you raise or is the present zionist foreign policy of endless wars ok with you?

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

Ever see the movie

"What Would The World Be Like Without the USA?"

I stopped the movie when it said, Don't Think of Conspiracy Theory Like ...

IOW, Don't think conspiracy theory is bad, or off limits, or wrong, or silly... I don't. I LOVE conspiracy theory and have had a much longer and stronger love affair with conspiracy theory than Israel.

See, I once didn't trust Israel at all. Blamed Israel based on conspiracy theory I was watching before 911.. read all about Rothchildes back in the 70s. I have watched months of time controlled Demolations, Mossad evidence, Israelis dancing, connections between all kinds of folks first responders, family and friends, corporations involved.. had me asking more questions.. for a decade.. matter of fact, I even went to NYC in 05 to pay my respects.. I'm done. Your turn.

I believe the USA needs to stop trying to entangle Israel in wars. Israel isn't interested. Israel can take care of herself.

That said, Ron Paul said we should trade with Israel. I absolutely agree, they are so far ahead of us because we produce prisons, and prisoners and they produce free thinkers.

I don't encourage anyone to do anything. DO WHAT YOU WANT. The LIBERTY COMMITTEE that I have help build by appointing them, can think for themselves, and several are into 911. That's their obsession, not mine. We don't all agree but on one thing.. the only way to change the government is to be the government.

I'm not pointing you

to a 9/11 movie and it's not an obsession, it's more of an explanation for the lies of for the Iraq war and the general ME pro zionist foreign policy.

Your Liberty Committee isn't named accordingly if it doesn't address the shackles which the zionist foreign policy imposes on the US.

It's Israel, more precisely zionist neocons in our government and in Israel, that entangle the US into conflicts not the other way around and if you would have watched some of the video, that evidence would have been presented for you to verify. You're only fooling yourself when you claim you want to learn, at least in that aspect.

"I believe the USA needs to stop trying to entangle Israel in wars. Israel isn't interested. Israel can take care of herself."

Isreal DEPENDS on the coercive power of the US military to stay afloat as evidenced by the wars in Iraq, the US propping up dictators in Egypt for decades, the conflict in Syria and the menaces to Iran by the US.

You've made it clear that you're not only ignorant about the connections between the zionist neocons and our endless wars but worst, that you're not interested in considering that possibility.

What do you think about RP's declaration that neocons and the likud are close allies?

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

This clip from 2008

This clip from 2008 solidified my support for Ron Paul. I love Ron Paul's dabate answers becuase he gets a loaded question and starts off a little shaky then he just builds this great and terrible energy of truth and by the end of his response his very presence on the stage overshadows ans exposes all the other clowns he is up against.


We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

Your Response ...

Your response is now a part of my faorite Ron Paul moments! :) Thank you!

Edgar Morgan

"Another question about

"Another question about electability...do you have any sir? There's always the question whether or not you are in fact viable. Your differences with the Republicans.....has raised questions whether or not you can actually win the Republican nomination." - Carl Cameron, Fox debate

"We've only had two little primaries so far which is pretty premature to say which one is going to be the candidate. But you know, when you think about it, if you measured everything I've ever said, every vote I've ever taken, against the Constitution...you know I'm a strict Constitutionalist...are you suggesting the Republicans should write me off because I'm a strict Constitutionalist? I'm the most conservative member here. I have voted...against more spending and waste in government than anybody else. So you're suggesting that I'm not electable, and the Republicans don't want me, because I'm a strict fiscal conservative? Because I believe in civil liberties? Why should we not be defending civil liberties? And why should we not be talking about foreign policy that used to be part of the Republican Party? "Mr. Republican", Robert Taft, didn't even want us to be in NATO. And you're saying now that we have to continue borrowing money from China to finance this empire that we can't afford? Let me see if I get this right. We need to borrow ten billion dollars from China and then we give it to Musharraf who is a military dictator who overthrew an elected government and then we go to war, we lose all these lives, promoting democracy in Iraq. I mean what's going on here?............." - Dr. Ron Paul

Even Carl Cameron admitted in an interview later that Dr. Paul's answer knocked it out of the ball park.


This was my moment as well ...

.... As you can see I posted the video earlier in the comments section :)