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You people are happy that a black kid is dead!

Sorry for the catchy title, but I thought I should start a topic on an issue that I see all over the net and wanted opinions from as many people as possible so that we can come up with a solution. I'm sure the title is going to get some hits.

The left is constantly using tactics to demonize opinions they don't agree with in an attempt to exclude the opinions from the conversation.

I'm using the Zimmerman discussion as an example.

For example, if I were to say "Blacks should learn be less confrontational and teach their children that the thug mentality is dangerous and will get you killed. Trayvon acted like a thug when he attacked Zimmerman and that is what got him killed."; I would immediately be called a racist and attacked relentlessly.

Nothing about what I said above should be considered racist. It is a legitimate comment. It doesn't show hate for blacks and it doesn't promote that whites are better than blacks. If anything, it is sound advice made in an attempt to help black community. I have given the exact same advice to white kids. If Trayvon wouldn't have acted like a thug, he wouldn't have died that night. Sorry everyone but it's that damn simple.

The left continues to call people racist when they aren't being racist in an attempt to demonize them and exclude them from the conversation.

The anti-conspiracy people do the same thing when anyone questions the official stories release by the media. If you question it, you are a conspiracy nutjob and immediately excluded from the conversion that is taking place among the so-called 'civilized, intellectual' community. Even though you may have a perfectly rational argument and the facts support your argument, you have already been labeled as a whack-a-do and in their eyes deserve no say in the conversation.

All the Ron Paul supporters here know what I mean. We have been called racist, nutjobs, kooks, hateful, Paul-bots, and many other things that we are not. It is all an attempt to exclude us from the conversation, because the left can't actually have a rational conversation with us and win. We always win with reason and logic. They are terrified about actually going toe-to-toe with us in a debate. Why do you thinK Ron Paul got so little time in the debates.

If anyone doesn't agree with anything I say above, then feel free to say so.

For those that understand where I coming from, I have to ask:

1. What can we do to counter these types of attacks without sounding desperate to do so?

2. Can we use their tactics to our advantages somehow?

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Disobeyed a Direct Order?

What "direct order" and from whom? Are you talking about the 911 operator?

"Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms."
Ron Paul

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Can you explain us what's so difficult to stay out of trouble?

Can you explain us what's so difficult to stay out of trouble?

I'm interested, in this country where (granted, supposedly) the rule of law applies to all individuals...

... and NOT only to preferred/protected/favorite groups during A RACE TO THE BOTTOM.

Favorites are for browsers. And... BREAKING NEWS ! We're not living in a browser !

(well, when not arguing on opinionated forums, anyway)

One can be a little c.u.nt of a bully and white OR black OR red OR yellow OR green OR pink or what the FREAKING heck I care: that does NOT matter. 'Coz, sometimes they'll just get their lethal lesson from NOT using their two freaking neurons - and they'll get it from their own self-proclaimed "kind" / "group" / "brotherhood" / (you name the clan) ... OR NOT.

And O Ms. Irony-The-B.i.tch, often times, btw. Right, CHICAGO?

So, care to share? What's SOOOO TOUGH to stay out of trouble?

Funny, at 43, I can remember some hours of my childhood/pre-teen/teen age when I would hear some cruel racial slur from both white and colored bullies (because my father is black and my mom white), yet not once I fell for the violence trap.

WHO IS laughing now? I heard some of them, OF EITHER "PURE" WHITE OR BLACK COLORS, WILL BAG MY GROCERIES, in the best case scenario for them, if I return over there and cross them...

Tsk tsk tsk... See, I chose another option, while growing up : to spend my sweat without counting AND use my brain in the process.

Instead of begging AND/OR bullying strangers.

Oh, wait! Maybe I was lucky my parents TAUGHT ME THAT?

So that, to date, I still don't know what it is to deal with a cop.

As for the facts of Zimmerman vs. Martin, you see, facts are annoying:

for they are so DARN stubborn, just as timelines are.

And even if both made poor judgment choices in prior verbal exchanges, it seems that in time, at some point, one was FIRST getting his head pounded against the pavement with the other's full weight sitting on him. Too bad for the skull ball player, turns out that THEN the gun had to speak the last word.


Yes, again, give me a FUDGING break.

Thank you very much.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

What "authority?"

Being on the neighborhood watch doe not equal authority. Definition of authority: a. The power to enforce laws, exact obedience, command, determine, or judge.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

exactly he didnt even have

exactly he didnt even have the authority to do what he did!

The Right To Defend Oneself

What did he do that was outside his own authority?

"Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms."
Ron Paul

You're talking outta both sides

Then why did you say this: "the difference is that zimmerman has a position of authority"

Now you claim he had no authority - which is it dude?

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."


The 911 operator has no authority to "give a direct order." Do you always blindly follow the government?

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

asshole. (yea let's call each other names bcuz that's mature)

when you're a neighborhood watchman, you're supposed to be following certain procedures. you cant act willy nilly. he wanted to be a hero. fuckin pathetic. all of you disgust me, how many videos of cops and authority figures do we post on this site of brutality or abuse of power?

Gus 818

First of all, he was a fricken neighborhood watchman. The adult equivalent of a hall monitor.

Second, the fact that he "didn't follow hall monitor procedures" is irrelevant.

Third, to the extent it is not irrelevant, it is insignificant. His not following procedures would not be a basis to charge him with anything. It would be a fact among many facts that combined don't amount to squat diddly.

Fourth, are you a disbarred lawyer?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

exactly a hall monitor should

exactly a hall monitor should not be allowed to follow and harass a young man walking around talking on his cell phone heading back to his dad's house. that's what makes it even more ridiculous, he wasnt even a real cop!

only a fake libertarian

would find it significant that he "wasn't a real cop." I say, a guy protecting his neighborhood, carrying a gun, who had the foresight and intelligence to use it when attacked? Sounds legit. But that's me.

Are you saying that if a "real cop", i.e., someone who passed all their psych tests, didn't score too high on an IQ test, and wore a gen-u-wine dry cleaned uniform issued with taxpayer dollars, came out and shot Trayvon for being a darkie, that would be okay to you? Or what? Because I don't support that either.

The kid was up to no good, and by all evidence, he actually was the attacker. He bit off a bit more than he thought and choked on it. It sucks, maybe he wasn't all bad, maybe his parents took cute pictures of him years earlier, but to blame it on Zimmerman entirely, to speculate that he was racist, or to invent facts about stalking, is insane and stupid and belongs nowhere in a court of law. Mr. Sharpton.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I agree with part of your point, GUS818...

Zimmerman WAS the one following Martin. He made choices that led to Martin's death, as much as Martin did.

If you are going to exercise your CWP (Conceal Weapons Permit), you must be extra cautious, extra responsible.

If there was an anticipated confrontation, he should have had his weapon out and drawn it the instant a threat was perceived. There must have been some sort of verbal confrontation that allowed Trayvon to get that close to Zimmerman. Zimmerman should have drawn.
Afterall, he had perceived Martin as a threat, which was why he followed him, no?

The reason I agree with the verdict is that there was more than enough room for reasonable doubt. Manslaughter I though was an achievable charge to get a guilty verdict on but I disagree with Florida's mandatory 20 or 25 year sentence for it. No way did Zimmerman deserve that.

I think a manslaughter guilty verdict with a suspended sentence or time served would have actually been fair.

But I think this whole cluster-f*** of a case was propagandized on purpose to get an acquittal and to incite racial tension to garner further democrat support for gun-control legislation. My 2 pennies.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Not so

From Zimmerman's testimony he was confronted by Martin when he was heading back to his truck. According to the testimony, Martin asked what was your f* problem? Zimmerman answered I got no problem and Martin answered now you have a problem and started attacking him.
Also brandishing his weapon would not be the right move at all! It is illegal in many states to brandishing your weapon unless you are in self defense mode! Z has no right to take out his gun until he was assaulted by Martin.

Yes, we could keep focusing on what Zimmerman could have done differently to avoid the situation, but the fact remains that Martin was on drug and he was the one that assaulted Zimmerman and was pounding his head into the pavement and verbally threatened to kill Zimmerman. Why not focus on what could have Martin done differently to avoid the confrontation? How about he shouldn't have got himself suspended for drug and stealing related problems? How about he shouldn't have aspired to be a gansta? How about he shouldn't be walking out in the rain to get skittles and tea to make himself some drug cocktails? Then it would have been alright, right?

Zimmerman was on patrol. So are you saying that when we are watching our neighborhood, we should just let those suspicious looking young men with hoodies on by? Just so we can avoid confrontation? What kind of watchmen would that be?

I don't disagree that this

I don't disagree that this trial and verdict has been used to spur racial tensions and will be used for further gun control. that's quite clear. i'm just astounded that the DP libertarians can't see through it and are all sounding like sean hannity. zimmerman did not approach this correctly and should be punished. if you support conceal and carry you should support zimmerman being punished. same with stand your ground, trayvon was the one who defended himself from a creepy stalker.

What laws did Zimmerman

What laws did Zimmerman break? Following someone in his neighborhood who looked suspicious? Not against the law regardless of the dispatchers recommendations! Carrying a concealed weapon with a permit to carry? Not against the law. Confronting someone in his neighborhood face to face? Not against the law! Punching someone in the nose without any physical contact from the person being hit. Felony Assault!!! Oh I forgot Trayvon threw the punch not George! The only person who broke a law was Mr Martin.

You are just apeing what Sharpton says

Where are the facts that Zimmerman stalked him? Have you heard or do you even know his explanation for why he was walking where he was walking? Where are the witnesses who support the idea he followed or stalked the dead thuglette? I'd really like to know, because you are here telling everyone they are apeing Hannity. I don't even like Hannity, and I think you're apeing the democratic party/Sharpton/Rachel Madcow

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Are u on drugs?

In one post you claim Zimmerman had authority and should be held accountable, then in another post you say he had no authority. Which is it?

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

i am claiming he overstepped

i am claiming he overstepped his authority as a neighborhood watchman. neighborhood watchmen have a leadership position and a job to do. he took his position far too seriously and wanted to be a hero. instead he was a murderer. it's like you people never heard of abuse of power!

I'm having the same argument

I'm having the same argument with same person on another thread. His/her argument is a perfect example of the coined talking points of the msm. Don't bother wasting your energy on someone who won't take the time to research.

You aren't going to solve anything

First realize that you aren't going to solve anything. When race or group identify comes up, I just say how I feel. And that is that human beings - individuals - are more than race. Regardless of sex, race, religion, socioeconomic status or any other identifier we are individuals with our own dreams, accomplishments, our own failures and quirks, families, our own thoughts and ideas, our own personal history that is completely different than anyone else. Race is nothing more then a irrelevant characteristic that is used by modern day slave masters. They use it to control others and I will not be a part of that slavery.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

George is suing NBC -

I'm neither happy nor sad, as

I'm neither happy nor sad, as I didn't know him. Anyone who claims they are sad when someone they never met dies is probably just speaking figuratively.

It is sad that a 17 year old made a decision that led to his death. If he had been shot and injured, he would probably have been charged with battery for his unprovoked attack on GZ. He would not have gotten the death penalty.

Whether the person was "black" or not isn't material. What happened was that a man was brutally attacked, and the attacker was shot as a consequence. He died, which is unfortunate. It went to trial for political reasons. Justice was served by a jury that seems to have been "picked to convict."

We should;d all be proud of that jury and happy that justice was served, despite all the pressure and all the illegality and corruption that went into putting on the show trial.

May Trayvon be able to R.I.P. without even more evil taking place in his name. Hopefully he is in a better place.

I am not religious, but if there was actually some kind of heavenly tribunal, I feel he would be forgiven for his actions.

Well as a Christian

I know he will be judged according to one thing, whether he made the reconciliation with God through Jesus Christ or not. Any thing else is irrelevant.

Yes, for true Christians, we all have to answer to God for what we have done as well before the God's judgement seat.

It's too late to worry about Martin now. But still, pray for his parents that they can forgive and find God in this tragedy. Same for Zimmerman and his family, as they will have years of hardship coming, as their lives are destroyed as well. Even more so than the Martin family.

Sad day for sure

When a human being is killed, it's never a good day.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

I believe the social propagandist are using this

To justify taking responsible gun owners, gun rights away. They will stay persistant until they complete the UN anti gun agenda.

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.

That's it...

The MSM pushing the Zimmerman trial, which was a complete cluster-f***, was meant to get the African-American / Black community riled up to get on board with the rest of the democrat party, on gun control.

The black community has really not been strongly behind Obama's agenda to take our guns away, as they have long been victims of government abuses and unjust laws.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Someone should sell saltine

Someone should sell saltine or ritz type Crackers and call them Crazy Ass. Maybe in the shape of a C with an ass crack like dimple in the middle that makes it easy for cracking in half?

When life hands you lemons, make lemonade.