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Ron Paul Is A Neoliberal? I thought he was a conservative

I have used wikipedia for years as a resource:

I consider wikipedia nuetral, because it can be edited as long as the edits are backed up with references from established resources, encyclopedia, dictionary, thesaurus, the horse's mouth.

I believe it's important to have a NEUTRAL resource to make or defend one's position.

I also use wikipedia as a learning tool. Many times when someone posts something on DP I will check wiki for reference.

The other day in a conversation about, "what is a neocon", I thought I would use a wiki reference about what is a neoliberal, because personally, long before I ever heard of a neocon, I had heard of a neoliberal: Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton was all for a global government, and a global government was THE NEW NEO WORLD ORDER.

When Ron Paul began his campaign in 07, I clearly recall him refering to himself as a CONSERVATIVE. He talked about Austrian Economics. I NEVER heard Ron Paul ever say, Austrain Economics was NEOLIBERAL. Neoliberalism BTW is the ONLY ism that has any economic base.

So I go to wiki and do a search on NEOLIBERAL and Ron Paul and Autrain Ecinomics is all over it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

So then I checked out CONSERVATISM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

I had to search to find CONSERVATISM IN THE UNTIED STATES to find Ron Paul http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States

On NEOCONSERVATISM, read under: critcisms, and you'll find Ron Paul mentioned, but what's important to be is Buchanann's, because he mentions globalization, which is what it meant. Neoconservative was NOT about supporting Israel, yet, now, that is ALL it is about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

I've heard Ron paul called a PALEOCONSERVATIVE and wiki lists: PALEOCONSERVATIVE as a new entry and there you will see some friends, Ron Paul is mentioned http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolibertarianism

LIBERTARIANISM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism There is NO RON PAUL

So then I decided to look at Ron Paul in wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ron_Paul&action=hi... He's all over the political map (one man for all parties).

And why not Rand Paul since he's not mentioned anywhere?

Oh My BREAKING NEWS Rand's wife KELLY PAUL just left her job at SGM GOP consulting firm http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/kelley-paul-leaves-gop...

Back to wiki: RAND PAUL Rand has NO ISM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul

Ron Paul quoted Victor Hugo when he said: "no army can stop an idea that's time has come". https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Victor_Hugo&diff=...

I feel like there is a "book burning" going on with these wiki edits, and that there is an army that is changing ideas.

It was suggested that I spend a couple hours editing wiki. It would take me years and I doubt I could beat the army.

It was also suggested that I stop using wiki.. and that's fine.. except.. where do I go for a nuetral online reference?

Any suggestions?

And William Jefferson Clinton, the guy I was looking up as reference to NEOLIBERAL. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton

I just learned the Bill Clinton is now known as a NEW DEMOCRAT

I never heard of a NEW DEMOCRAT before, though I did know that Obama came from a third party called THE NEW PARTY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Party_(United_States)

And this article shows that there's a lot of editing and cover ups going on, http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/07/Obama-Cau...

Looks like wiki needs another edit.

So Ron Paul is a NEO Liberal, and some here say a NEOLIBERAL is the opposite of a NEOCONSERVATIVE.

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Ron Paul is a "Classical Liberal"

Classical Liberal: primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government. Sounds like the Dr. to me.

He is also an Economic Liberal or the trendy label today is NeoLiberal. You provided the link, also describes Ron Paul.

But he is not a political liberal in the US sense which is really a bastardization of the original meaning of the word. The label "conservative" has also been bastardized.

The root of the word conservative is "conserve". The definition of conserve: to avoid wasteful or destructive use of - as in natural resources or currency. That is Dr. Paul.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

yet according to wiki he is not

Michael Johnston and Noam Chomsky assert that classical liberalism as such can no longer exist in a modern-day context as its principles were only relevant at the time its founding thinkers conceptualised them; and that classical liberalism has grown into two divergent philosophies since the beginning of the twentieth century: social liberalism and market liberalism.[80][not in citation given][full citation needed]

It appears to me, cinservatives are being culled through wiki.. there is a war of ideas, and we apparently are not engaged.

I personally found it shocking to find that according to wiki I am a NEOCON. I never supported Bush in any way shape or form, and to read that NEOCON is basically someone who supports Israel, which I don't see Neoconservatism as supporting Israel.. I see it as entangling Israel to blame Israel.

And now to learn that Neoliberal is based on economics and not philosophy.. there is a war of ideas.

Sovreinity is at stake.

No one neatly fits in a box

Dr Paul is a perfect example. He confounds his opponents who struggle to define him for their purpose.

Many times he stood alone. It shows strength and conviction.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo


And yet people put people in boxes.

I have been arguing for weeks that I am not a neocon, and yet, by wiki's definition.. I am, only because I support Israel, YET, to me, Neocons never supported Israel as a sovreign state as I do.. they don't even support Israel.. they entangle Israel knowing, there is great resentment for their policy.. so they put their face on Israel as means to undo Israel.

"I am not a neocon, and yet, by wiki's definition.. I am"

I have not read anyone else's definition, but by MY definition, yes, you are a NEOCON.


Sometimes, I think that you purposefully set yourself up, Granger. Why, I have no idea lol

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


I live in the moment. I AM who I am no matter what the lables, which apparently change as time goes on.

People are going to think and feel what they choose to think or feel, and I don't see it as my job to think of feel for them, or make them think of feel of, by, or for me.

I believe the only person I can change is myself. I can influence others, but then I take a responsibilty for doing that, so I am not willing to do that.

When it came to Ron Paul, it was about busting through the MSM censorship and sharing what Ron Paul said of, by and forhimself, and letting people make up their own minds.

I give myself permission to change my mind, to change period. That's why posts that try to imprison me in my past I see as passive agressive. Freedom is living in the moment, not living up to someone elses idea of who, what they think I am or should be.