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Zimmerman posts far exceed Manning posts

Two men are on trial at the same time. The first one, Bradley Manning, has given up his freedom to expose the corrupt war machinery. Ron Paul has praised Bradley Manning. The other man is George Zimmerman.

The sad truth is that Bradley Manning has received miniscule attention on the Daily Paul compared to what GZ has received here. Some claim that it's because GZ was getting shafted and deserved a fair trial. Surely no one here thinks that what is happening to Manning is fair. Seriously?

By remaining silent about the injustices in the Manning case, the Daily Paul community is allowing the government to try Manning in secret so his message does not get out. What do you think the government will do if they get their hands on Snowden? As we saw with Ron Paul, the best way to kill a message is to ensure that it is not reported.

Has the Daily Paul community changed since the days that we cheered Ron Paul for standing up to the neocons like Rudy G. Are we distracted by shiny objects now?




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I think the Zimmerman case is very significant

It involves the second amendment and the legitimacy of the primal right to self defense. It involves the corruption of the legal system and the concept of reasonable doubt. It involves the corruption in media (evidence was altered and broadcast in a biasing way). It involves the potential for Federal circumvention of state justice, with the possibility of "civil rights" charges.

You call it a "shiny object". Maybe you just can't see the significance of this story.

Sadly, the TV drives conversations

Way too many posts these days could be titled "Look What I Saw on TV"

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"Surely no one here thinks that what is happening to Manning is fair. Seriously?"

I'm sure EVERYONE here thinks it's unfair. But when you enter into a contract with the U.S. Military, you basically forfeit any and all constitutional protections. You become a card carrying vassal of the state. You've signed your life away. You're a slave.

To be honest, I haven't heard any really earth shattering news come out of the leaks either. Maybe someone can help me out with that. Which suggests to me that he made at least two incredibly poor decisions. First was joining the military. Second was risking his entire life for some diplomatic cables and a couple of shitty videos.

I say shitty videos because when compared to the naked girl running from the bombs in Vietnam, ALL of the emotion has been stripped away. All you see is some silhouettes getting turned into Swiss cheese from a long, long ways away.

I feel really bad for the dude. Unfortunately he penned his own name on that contract. He signed his own death sentence when he divulged the information. It's just a sad god damned situation.

But it doesn't have a thing to do with Zimmerman. Or the multiple relevant scandals surrounding that. Don't pretend like it wasn't important. It will continue to be a serious point of contention when they start coming after the guns again. So I definitely wouldn't be writing it off so easy. But there are good points to it as well which have been posted elsewhere.. such as the absolute miserable failure of the media to create this catastrophe that they so plainly wanted.

"By remaining silent about the injustices in the Manning case, the Daily Paul community is allowing the government to try Manning in secret so his message does not get out. "

The DP ain't a news paper with an editorial board. It's a forum. If you find interesting stories about it, post it. If they don't get voted up or front pages, that's the breaks. Happens to all of us.

You can't

forfeit your constitutional rights. They are inherent in your humanity.
You do, however, give the State more grist to grind.

I don't

think the Daily Paul is changing. I do believe we are being
infiltrated by Commies and Neo-Cons.

If the MSM

hadn't put their hooks into the GZ story and NOT let go, there would have never been a trial... period. But noooooo, they had to squeeze every tear drop, and emotional drama they could out of it. No matter how it turned out, the stations sold toothpaste, feminine hygiene, laundry soap, etc. It saves them from having to perform REAL journalism... You know, the kind where they go out and find the stuff that doesn't want to be found.

God forgives always. Man forgives sometimes. But Nature never forgives.

Since you are right

I went ahead and created a Manning post...

http://www.dailypaul.com/292811/manning-trial-and-the-press-...

Public Trial Guarantee

Purpose and History:

"The Public Trial serves several basic purposes. First, a public trial guarantees that the defendant will not be treated unfairly by the judge or other officials. Throughout European history, there is a long trail of judicial abuses in private trials. A judge could throw someone in prison who was completely innocent and the defendant would have no way to save himself. Judges could make up false charges, refuse to allow the accused to defend himself or exact enormous sentences that have no relation to the severity of the alleged crime, if trials were held in private.

Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black put it this way. Public trials are:

"Whatever other benefits the guarantee to an accused that his trial be conducted in public may confer upon our society, the guarantee has always been recognized as a safeguard against any attempt to employ our courts as instruments of persecution."

Public trials serve to protect the accused from judicial tyranny, but also serve several public interests. They tend to cause witnesses to come forth with relevant information because the witness hears about the proceedings. They also tend to pressure people to tell the truth because anyone who hears of the proceedings and knows they are lying might come forward and tell the truth.

The Public Trial also serves to increase the public's trust in the judicial and legal system because they can see plainly what is happening in the courtroom. If the public likes what it sees, it will have confidence in the system. If the public doesn't like what it sees, it will elect new officials to replace the old ones and change the laws. The Public Trial also serves to satisfy the public's desire for justice when it sees a criminal receive a just punishment."

http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/public-trial-cla...

Wow, that's amazing stuff.

Wow, that's amazing stuff. Thank you.

In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock.
-- Thomas Jefferson

First Amendment: Individual Members Of The Public Right To Know

In addition to the 6th Amendment Fair Trial aspects, there are considerations respecting the public's right of access. Just like other questions raising matter of Free Expression, not only do we have the right to be heard ( and an ancillary Due Process right that the hearing is meaningful ), but the flip side of the coin to this proposition involves the public's right to unfiltered information. If determined such rights are fundamental (as our history demonstrates), any infringement of such prerogatives should be subject to the strictest scrutiny and submit only in the face of the least restrictive alternative.

I must admit

that I wasn't even aware that Bradley Manning WAS on trial.

It is a disconnect that we must overcome.

I don't entirely blame Zimmerman, though. Zimmerman was in the unfortunate circumstance of being the perfect scapegoat, target, distraction, spark-for-riots, human target... etc. The centre of an MSM shillstorm. AND we must remember, no one's going to forget him that easily.

The best thing we can do is to prioritise [and clearly justify such] the whole mess of topics that have barreled out into the light. It's an information overload!

I believe in the freedom to be what we choose to be.

I agree

I've posted several Manning post in the past, but never gets much attention.

We need another FBI terrorist

We need another FBI terrorist false flag event to change the subject. Sarc.

Can you say "forum sliding"?

Can you say "forum sliding"?

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Not my impression.

Not my impression. I think the OP is sincere. (I may be wrong, I'm rather of the candid/naive kind at times)

There is a number of ACTUAL, infuriating, injustices going on, IMO, if one asks me...

So, I can relate to the being-fed up sentiment when I see all the flame generated by this Zimmerman story, on the DP alone in just two days.

I'm just glad the self-defense case was reckoned as such eventually and end of story.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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Not sure if I understood you,

Not sure if I understood you, but, just to be clear, I was NOT accusing 1440 of forum sliding.

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Lol. Then I DID misunderstand.

Lol. Then I DID misunderstand.

Sorry for the confusion.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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BUMP.

BUMP.

And (SIGH) yes, I often end up trying to give the big picture harsher than usual, for the sake of moving on past the nonsense pushed by the MSM, but it's like a drop of water in an entire ocean.

Your post is very spot on, likely more efficient to look thru than with my lenses. And also yes, has that was pointed out below, "long overdue", so to speak.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Gov shills have co-opted the DP

Anything Zimmerman has been mysteriously voted up for weeks now.

It conveniently buries NSA, Snowden, Rand Paul, Ben Swann, Judge Nap and the topics usually discussed here.

One poster in particular who created Zimmerman threads and posts constantly claims to be an attorney and yet comes up with responses such as "Bibble babble" "Blathering" and worse insults, some threads it goes on for pages, attacking any poster and discouraging real conversation and discourse.

Cointel is alive and well. They are trying to stir the pot and we are just cattle to be herded into our left/right stalls since we had seemed to have broken out.

All they have to do is post racially charged disruptive posts and apparently the DP is suddenly stirred up like a hornet's nest.

Who was the fake attorney

Who was the fake attorney posting Zimmerman propaganda? Think I may have crossed Twitter paths with them.

Ain't sure I recall exactly

Chicken something I think.

Perhaps he is a practicing attorney from the show "Trailer Park Boys".

Can't imagine any law firm that would tolerate that sort of language and temper.

You make a good point but race is the 500 pound...

Gorilla in the room. Race must be discussed because freedom will not work if one group of people harbor hate in their hearts toward those people who are trying to fight to give them freedom.

We as libertarians need to realize that race is being used as a weapon in this Country to divide the races so that is why many have discussed the Zimmerman case. It is closer to us because we all are more likely to be killed by a black thug than any thing else we may face in this Country.

It is the timid who refuse to believe that we have a race problem in this Country yet they don't live around blacks or work with blacks on the lower social economical status. When a white person is told to be careful going down this street or you may not come out alive, well we need to find out what gives these people the right to decide whether we as whites get to live or die? Instead of complaining why we are talking about Zimmerman, why don't you yourself become more aware of the racial divide in this Country then for goodness sake give us some advice on how to fix it.

If you don't have any answer except, well I don't live around them so I am not going to worry about it, well you better start worrying about it because your children are already a minority in this Country. I promise you, whites will not be given the same treatment that blacks have been afforded. Why can ever race of people in the world get along with each other except blacks? Not all but for the most part.

David Infinger wrote: "We as

David Infinger wrote: "We as libertarians need to realize that race is being used as a weapon in this Country to divide the races"

Exactly, the MSM is using race in this trial as a weapon trying to divide us. The time for dialogue on race IS NOT during a racially divisive trial. All this same crap was gone over during the OJ Simpson trial and got us nowhere. It was just a dog and pony show by the MSM to increase ratings.

David Infinger wrote: we all are more likely to be killed by a black thug than any thing else we may face in this Country.

We are more likely to die in a motor vehicle accident, by cancer or heart disease. If it makes you feel any better black thugs will soon be eclipsed by Hispanic thugs based on population growth data.

David Infinger wrote: what gives these people the right to decide whether we as whites get to live or die?

We as whites? Lol Nystrom would love that one. Too bad he's busy.

Not sure if you mean black gangs, white gangs or hispanic gang neighborhoods. Good job with divisive race comments used as a weapon though. If you are talking about lawlessness or lack of law enforcement in low income neighborhoods I'm not sure how that has to do with race though.

Yes racism exists but no this Zimmerman case should

not be an example of who's side you are on. This is a devicive topic that splits people apart when we talk about Zimmerman and the trial. We don't have all the facts and here's how I see the left right paradigm idea separating people. If I say I support Zimmerman the other side claims I'm racist. If I say I support Trayvon Martin the opposing side says that I don't have all the facts and I'm a trouble maker trying to stir the pot. Either way we can't stand on either side of the issue, even Ron Paul knows to stay out of these private personal issues. Racism does exist and I don't think it's as bad as most 3rd world countries cause I've been to one so far and it's pretty bad where I was of which I won't mention and I have a few foreign people I know who are also racist, of which are from another 3rd world country. Ben Carson said the reason we have problems like these is because of a lack of education. Let's educate ourselves on real issues and stop claiming there is a conspiracy here in this case. It doesn't affect us personally like some of the other conspiracies like 9/11 with the Patriot Act. That affects each and everyone of us. You get what I'm saying?

I agree with you Corey, but I'll take it one step further

He is actually trying to incite and be divisive. Re-read his post with my highlights above.

THANK YOU!!

This post is long overdue.

All I can really think about Zimmerman is WHO CARES?? It's tragic, but why more news worthy than any other tragic deaths?? Now Bradley Manning, this doesn't happen everyday and it has a huge effect on what our government is allowed to do.

much of it has to do with

much of it has to do with extreme trolling. cointelpro-ish things are still alive and well. one person with several different accounts could just post fifteen different threads about this crap to keep us all divided against each other. manning is someone most genuine activists from all sides come together in agreement.

It's easier to fight

The enemy in Manning's case is the national defense establishment.

It's public opinion and culture in Zimmerman's case.

Manning broke the law period. The problem is the law is unjust in the abstract.

Zimmerman is innocent in the concrete, yet lies convince people he's guilty of something.

So it's easier to fight, but it does seem to be a distraction....