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Has the DP been compromised by Paid Stratfor Shills?

I'm seeing A LOT of new trolls on here. You can easily tell by how they get downvoted so quickly.

There are anti-marijuana posts, support for big pharma and a slew of other anti-truther anti-Ron Paul posts.

Nystrom take out the trash.

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Yes everyone is a shill

besides you. If we don't agree with you. We're paid.
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The answer is: Duh. Yes.

Yes it is. And yes activity has picked up. That said, it's much more under control at DP whereas on other sites (like RPF) it's completely out of control, or was, last I checked.

On the positive side is there have also been several posts recently about how to identify and effectively counter them, posted by or originally authored by people I know know what they are talking about as they've been at it and countering them for a long, long time.

On a negative note, many of our younger, newer and brash activists often are snookered by these people for awhile. They usually come back, hopefully wiser, but not before wasting a ton of time and causing a ton of division. These folk are absolutely needed here for their youth, energy and new ideas. I'm just noting that they appear to be more susceptible to the tactics of those looking to divide and distract.

yes, but you get used to it after awhile.

permatrolls...sockpuppets.... etc.

"just a normal complication in a typical day"

I Wish I Was A Paid Shill

Get paid to hangout on DP all day! That's my kind of job.

What is weird is a see a lot

What is weird is a see a lot of comments on DP recently that look troll like but then am surprised to see that some of these members have been on here longer than me but I've never seen them post much in the early years. This might be a bit conspiracy thinking...but is it possible that with the NSA type data gathering that their paid psyop people could take over old, unused member identities that have been gathering dust for the purpose of their trolling missions? Just a thought...

Online cutout.

That can be picked up and used by another analyst later on.

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The last time I called someone a troll...

Was a very, very long time ago.

The person I was speaking with seemed completely counter to what we were doing (2008 election). She seemed far more harmful than helpful.

So, I lost my temper, and called her a troll. At which point, she provided pictures of herself with RP (as many of us from 2008 have), and references from real world contacts that we had in common.

I apologized.

Are there trolls? Sure. What does troll mean to you? Does it matter?

Agree, disagree or ignore.

Minarchists call me a troll. Christians call me a troll. Atheists call Christians trolls. GOP faithful call truthers trolls. Truthers call chemtrailers trolls.

Recently, I even got into an argument with someone whom I don't believe I have ever disagreed with. JoshArizona. He's not a troll, nor am I. We simply disagree on something. If that doesn't happen, then you aren't thinking.

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granger right?

Lol. I'll keep it civil but granger is more harmful than helpful. No matter what topic.

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I don't remember the woman's name...

or even her psuedonym, but unless Granger went by a different name, it wasn't her. It was long before I ever saw a post by Granger.

I don't agree with Granger on just about anything, and I am probably one of the many who downvote her fairly consistently, though not automatically. I never downvote her based on it being a post by her, but always read the content and vote based solely on the content.

I look at Granger, kind of the same way I look at my mom. Someone who almost gets it, with a lot of potential, who tries. Whether that's the truth, I don't know.

I hope she gets it someday, but if not, we'll all keep trying... :)

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The only picture I have of me with Ron Paul is a video when I met him in San Francisco, 07 and handed him a big redwood basket made by the Pomo Indians, filled with local products, Parducci sparkling wine, Virgin olive oil, sea weed crunchies, dried chantrells, Mendocino Chocolates and cookies, Mustard, Jam, Mate, Thanksgiving Coffee, and a hand made card from the oldest Prespertarian Church in CA, Mendo, all donated by local small business and included an abalone shell (I had eaten the abalone the year before), which I told him it was illegal to take to Norway because they consider it legal tender. He really liked the abalone shell.

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Which leads to the thought: can they be created?

Is it possible that "old accounts" can be created today? Complete with posting and commenting? Perhaps they're lazy while creating, which is why the trolls I've come across lately have been here over a year, but with very little history until recently.

To answer my question: yes, it absolutely is possible. Is it happening? That's a question I cannot answer.

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Well, then, perhaps I can!

I clicked your user, and you are http://www.dailypaul.com/user/1120.

My user is http://www.dailypaul.com/user/52986, meaning there were ~51,000 users created between you and me.

So, I could write a simple script that would start at 1 (or perhaps 0 -- the "Michael Nystrom" account is 1, but there may be a "root") and go up to perhaps 200,000, and grab the user's page. Some users may have been deleted, so getting an error for one (or more) users should not stop the algorithm.

Once we've stored that, we can verify whether any new user that has been here for over a year is a new user, or was stored in our grab.

In other words: trust, but verify.

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forum bashing

I find it odd and troubling that there appears not to be any internet forums that fully embrace bashing and division among it's members.

I think voluntary segregation in society could be the key to widespread peace.

The trolls don't like segregation because they like the drama and destruction when conflicting groups of people are forced to be together.

I don't know--

I'm not in on anything; people get paid to 'troll' websites?

Good grief--

what is the price of a soul?

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Some people...

...don't like just breathing their own air; they'd rather be open to differing opinions to find the facts and make up their own minds.

But you apparently do like breathing your own air. To each his own. There are plenty of websites like that that you can join, fyi. After all, you weren't forced to join DP 27 days ago.

btw, Ron Paul has never been a Truther; so you may want to change your screen name if you decide to keep your new membership, I mean, since you think anti-Truthers are "trash."

I could shill

I could use the extra income. If there is a shill out there who could get me a job I would appreciate it. I couldn't shill on this website but I'll gladly shill out somewhere else if I can get payed.


Where does one file something like this?

The Actor,Benedict Cumberbatch, is a huge fan of Julian.
Julian asked him NOT to do it... calling the film "a massive propaganda attack".

Cumberbatch argued, "Wouldn't you rather it's someone who has your ear, who could steer the film to a place that's more accurate or balanced?" saying, "No matter how you cut it, he's done us a massive service, to wake us up to the zombielike way we absorb our news."


Maybe. But only if you consider $41.65 per hour...

"getting paid."

ha ha ha.

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YMMV, but I try to ignore the useful idiots and not fall

YMMV, but I try to ignore the useful idiots (or shills, or trolls, or whatever you call them, I'm neither a specialist or interested) and not fall for the gross argument baits that are blatantly contrary to individualistic and independent thinking - like race bait, group think, etc.

Sometimes, I fail and I can't help replying, though. "L'erreur est humaine."

But rather than chasing those (rhetorically) I prefer to focus on pointing out the deceptions and shame often hidden in plain sight, because I believe that building up our collections and memory about all the infamies and shame (we have to denounce), should constitute for a big part of our ammunition for more truth.

Remember, actions and records always speak louder than words :


I can be VERY violent with words, but I never fell so low to use or force violence against anybody, let alone advocate any of it.

THAT'll be how, where, and when we win, and "the Supermen" will eventually only have to SHUT UP after finding for themselves... A FREAKING MIRROR.

Their tongue always pretend to spill honey (or aspartame) but soon enough it turns to bile, and we rarely get to see their so "exemplary" life records. Do we?

Anybody - including the idiots and shills - can click my handle to see where I come from, practically AND spiritually.

"Cope with them."

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

"I'm seeing A LOT of new trolls on here."

Please specify your measure of "new".

Assuming you are seeing A LOT of trolls, how would know that they are new? How many trolls did you see before creating an account here 27 days ago?

Please provide links for the anti-Ron Paul posts and the posts that support big pharma. I seem to have missed those. I'd like to troll them.


This site is about the idea of respect for individual rights. It is a new idea in that it has been advancing for only centuries. Compared to Feudal Lordship and Slavery.

Respect for individual rights has always brought true prosperity, manipulated prosperity with a printing press has always brought slavery.

What county that values their way of life WOULD EVER ENSLAVE their children into debt?

I define the New Trolls as either being ignorant, or paid to sell out the Truth.

Some are Lazy, and some are ignorant and paid.

But if they don't understand what this site was founded on, they will be labeled as trolls, because they are against freedom, personal responsibility, and everything else that America was founded on.

Believe it or not, some people don't like the truth out in the open and will do everything against it. We recently lost a good judge.


He was a good judge.

I personally know of a LOT of corruption in the county.

Including this judge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrutOb6SNNo

This is an example of what is going on, perhaps in your county too.

I'm here to respect individual rights.

I'm here because I think that is what this site is about. Principles trump media inspired issues.

I welcome questions.


Thanks for the update Base.

"Some are Lazy, and some are ignorant and paid."

"But if they don't understand what this site was founded on, they will be"...

"Nystrom take out the trash." -RonPaul4Prez2016

Nystrom apparently did.


My condolence to you regarding your good judge, the bad one too I guess.

I've always given the Granger a benefit of a doubt

But now I don't know. I'm guessing shill. Must be working shifts.
Or Granger is an AI program being operated by a shill.
Check out the time stamps, it's incredible!


Smudgepot asked me to reserve judgement. So I don't know, this is confusing and I have difficulty looking at this post history and not seeing a computer program generating posts or a paid shill.

Wouldn't someone have to do laundry, shopping, check the mail, feed the kids, something? Posting 20 mins or less for 10 hours straight?

Copy/pasted to post as well in case account is wiped somehow.

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Yeah, This Site Can Be Addictive, Eh?

For example:
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....See what I mean?
Then again...I'm guilty of the same...been there gone that.
Sometimes it's good to take a break.

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...Everything CHANGED !!

Nice try

That's 3 days of posts with huge gaps. Not even close.

Nice try though.

10 hours straight of posts no more than 20 mins apart, that is computer program or shill sorry.

Need clarification. I don't come to the DP to discuss Liberty with NSA or AIPAC software.

In a way I hope you are right. Because if I'm right the entire Daily Paul has been compromised

Timing of posts can be tricky...

also consider that alteration of previous posts gives the edit time as the post time...

Then there's people like me who use speed drugs paid for with unreported cash income to post topics and comments.

That just complicates things.

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Ah yes speed drugs might explain

Those ads that claim single mom makes $1,667 a day working from home on interweb - hah!

Perhaps they are real jobs paid for by the RNC establishment committee to undermine Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Justin Amash.

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LOL :)

LOL :)

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


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keep it up bro!

The crash is coming in t-minus 5...

but honestly, between you and ancapmercenary the honest real journalism here on DP is in good hands.

Thank you for reals and good night. :)

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