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It's Old. Demarchy.

It's old.
Demarchy... (Athenian Democracy)

Premise: American democracy has devolved into an oligarchy.

►The Athenians cured the disease of oligarchy by randomly choosing (lottery) their public officials and submitting legislation to popular vote.

We see the same idea in the 18th century in the writings of Charles de Secondat, baron de Montesquieu:

“The suffrage by lot is natural to democracy, as that by choice is to aristocracy”


Almost all Greek writers who mention democracy (including Aristotle, Plato and Herodotus) emphasize both:
►the role of selection by lot and/or
►declare outright that being allotted is more democratic than elections.

►Today we define oligarchy as simply “the rule of the few,” but that’s only the symptom; the Greeks understood that the disease was the delegation of political power through elections.

Wikipedia explains:

Demarchy (or lottocracy) is a form of government in which the state is governed by randomly selected decision makers who have been selected by sortition (lot) from a broadly inclusive pool of eligible citizens. These groups, sometimes termed “policy juries”, “citizens’ juries”, or “consensus conferences”, deliberately make decisions about public policies in much the same way that juries decide criminal cases.

Demarchy, in theory, could overcome some of the functional problems of conventional representative democracy, which is widely subject to manipulation by special interests..

Pros/Cons... sure there is..
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Our Congress borrowed $17 Trillion Dollars in 220 years

How could selection by lot be worse?

Free includes debt-free!


Blind lottery removes a candidate's and citizen's incentive for recognizing good ideas and principled conduct.

In contrast, I propose dignifying the prerogative of individual choice concerning public domain and the right to withdraw from abuse (inc. all taxation)

~ "Dignitarian" philosophy


but follow the theme for a moment...
a 'completely' blind lottery let's say is WAY out there.
let's say what we have 'devolved' into.. our 2 person 2 party election(s)
is WAY out there also.
What's in-between... anybody?


1) "...a 'completely' blind lottery let's say is WAY out there.but..let's say what we have 'devolved' into.. our 2 person 2 party election(s)is WAY out there also. What's in-between... anybody?"

Partial disagreement: exercising one's conscience between 2 parties is a step up from having no means of virtue at all (ie. blind lottery). By that notion and as alluded to prior, I believe the answer concerning just governance can be found by validating principled agency (ie. going 'above' and abolishing unethical law rather than between) while recognizing civil standards as optimal guides


I agree..
If it was a 'larger' pool of 'vetted' / 'qualified' citizens through a process (undetermined)...
then it would not be SO 'blind'...
the point is (imo)...
it is a de-centralized process in the final determination
as opposed to
our current election 'process' which 'centralizes' the final determination...

anything 'centralized'...
becomes a target.
A target for money.
A target for threats.
A target for lobbying, graft, cronyism, corruption etc...
you get the point.


1) "If it was a 'larger' pool of 'vetted' / 'qualified' citizens through a process (undetermined)"

Disagreement since IMO all individuals have a means to qualify for civil status: conscience. Otherwise a dangerous preconception is set if equating wealth, race, population percentage etc with virtue

2) "a de-centralized process"

It may be unpopular to say, but I am not opposed to hierarchical organization and principled leadership so long as its codes and personal conduct are ethical

3) "our current election 'process'

Sorry if confusing prior, while I do believe that civil elections can be properly directed through open registration, free publication and moral pledge etc

4) "...becomes a target"

IMO all government 'becomes a target' when the public is forced into petitioning policy. In contrast I believe a principled solution would dignify personal prerogative so as to civilly represent oneself regarding the funding (or not while reserving the right to withdraw from abuse) of public works

I'd like to see a 'pilot' program...

any American city, town, County or State could adopt it...
try it... could it be ANY WORSE than what we are 'locked' into???
Incumbents would fight it tooth and nail... that's of course,
the biggest hurdle. :)