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NSA and FISA faced bi-partisan attacks during hearings today


http://youtu.be/AHJX-Hhd_4w
Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.), who sponsored the Patriot Act, objected strongly to the actions of the FISA court and the administration. He later warned that there are not enough votes in the House now to renew Section 215 when the law is revisited. “It’s got to be changed,” he said. “And you’ve got to change how you operate 215 . . . or you’re not going to have it anymore.”

Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), the top Democrat on the panel, argued that collecting telephone metadata under Section 215 of the Patriot Act “can amount to a Fourth Amendment violation” before any use is made of it. “You’ve already violated the law as far as I am concerned,” he told the witnesses...

More: http://iroots.org/2013/07/17/nsa-phone-program-faces-bi-part...

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known as 'the dictator'..

►Sensenbrenner introduced the USA PATRIOT Act to the House on October 23, 2001. Sensenbrenner did not write the act; the primary author was Assistant Attorney General of the United States Viet Dinh. Nevertheless, Sensenbrenner has been recognized as "one of the architects of the "Patriot Act."[10]

►In 2005, Sensenbrenner authored the Real ID Act.

►2005, Sensenbrenner introduced the Digital Transition Content Security Act. In 2006, it was reported that Sensenbrenner would help lead the effort to pass the Intellectual Property Protection Act of 2006

►In July 2012, Sensenbrenner advocated amending the Espionage Act of 1917 to enable the prosecution of journalists involved in publishing leaks of state secrets.[28]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sensenbrenner

I Predict

I predict an amendment to prohibit collecting the data on current and former members of Congress and their families, modeled after the concealed-carry exception in D.C.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

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Sounded to me like

at the end of Senselessbrenner's statements, that he gave them a bone. Either change how you operate (to your liking - but not what you're doing now) or Congress will pull the section altogether.

How about we just REPEAL this BS "law", and restore the 4th?

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

This kind of clash reminds me

of another similar kind of clash:


http://youtu.be/uqnfrRkZH0E#t=1m55s

So we are all supposed to feel secured by the wolf

that guards the hen house? It would appear to me that many ion Congress were complicit in this surveillance, and should have been whistle blowers as they took an oath to protect and defend the constitution. A citizens jury should be formed on a national level and all alternative media should cover it step by step to get these criminals to be held to account.

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

I completely agree. This "representative" needs to go.

He outed he was a patriot act supporter. He needs to pack his shit and go.

3 hops (not just 1 or 2)

BREAKING: (Atlantic Wire) Chris Inglis, NSA deputy director, revealed today in hearings that analysts look "two or three hops" from terror suspects when evaluating terror activity. Previously, the limit of how surveillance was extended had been described as two hops. This meant that if the NSA were following a phone metadata or web trail from a terror suspect, it could also look at the calls from the people that suspect has spoken with—one hop. And then, the calls that second person had also spoken with—two hops. Terror suspect to person two to person three. Two hops. And now: A third hop. (That's a whole lot of people!)

More at link above

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Six degrees of seperation

By collecting data on EVERYONE, can they prove the theory of six degrees of separation? :-)

LOL!

I finished watching...No rhetorical questions were needed. It's obvious who is in charge. "If you don't stop breaking the law and violating citizen'c constitutional rights, we might take away some of your power two and a half years from now!" WOW, that's harsh! Arn't the Republicans the ones that say laws don't matter to criminals? So, if they are already violating their legal authority without consequence, why would it matter what authority congress takes from them in the future? WEAK!

"When I say liberty I do not simply mean what is referred to as 'free enterprise.' I mean liberty of the individual to think his own thoughts and live his own life as he desires to think and to live..." - Robert A. Taft

2:37

Did that POS just flash a FU smirk? Who is really in charge here? (Rhetorically)

"When I say liberty I do not simply mean what is referred to as 'free enterprise.' I mean liberty of the individual to think his own thoughts and live his own life as he desires to think and to live..." - Robert A. Taft

Dog and Pony Show......

nothing more. (supreem court hearings on Obamacare come to mind?)

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

I am not buying it..

I think this is political theatre only to serve the interest of the next election...then the NSA will continue doing what it is doing...as is always the case. Guess we will see...

I thought the same thing

and yet this is all we can hope for at this point. Making this a more local issue - and pressuring candidates to vote against the funding is the next step...

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Keep applying pressure

Keep applying pressure on our "Representatives" and "Senators". It's one way of changing things. If they still don't budge, run against the, or find someone who will :-)

Curiosity

I take it they are not Bi-partisan curious! lol.